JG 13 of 24 for 164 against Alabama

[DaddyChad]

JG did not hurt us vs Bama

Team is mentally beaten as soon as the first mistake is made with JG as QB. You can see it in the defense’s body language at this point.

 

[DaddyChad]

That was 100 years ago in football time. Try beating Kansas City with that stat line out of your quarterback now.

Possibly. NFL is cyclical though. Remember the Rams with Faulk and Warner, people thought defenses would never be dominant again.

 

[DaddyChad]

he didnt help us.

What hurt was absolute lack of preparation from Chaney.

WTF would Chaney need to prepare for? JG is our QB. There’s only so much you can do when you don’t trust your QB to throw on third and long. If people cannot see Pruitt is calling the shots on offense, idk what to tell them. How many times at any point has Chaney consistently called running plays on 3rd and 5+?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

That was 100 years ago in football time. Try beating Kansas City with that stat line out of your quarterback now.

If you have the 2000 Ravens defense it’s possible.

 

[Volzonya]

Who the hell thought we were winning that game!

 

[Volzonya]

Go kill the moles in your back yard. Teach your dog to sit. Talk to your wife. This. Is. Not. For. You.

 

[VolArmy74]

Possibly. NFL is cyclical though. Remember the Rams with Faulk and Warner, people thought defenses would never be dominant again.

The NFL changed the rules to heavily favor offense since the early 2000s. College has mirrored many of those rules. The defenseless receiver rule, targeting etc now just basically let receivers run free without worry about getting hit after a catch. They also changed rules about how you could touch receivers down the field. New England and Pittsburgh used to paw all over, hit, and grab Marvin Harrison on nearly every play when playing the Colts, but once those rules changed you'd see Manning going into Foxboro and winning playoff games. Then Brady got hurt and you stopped being allowed to hit quarterbacks below the waist. Then the concussion stuff started and how you can only hit a quarterback in the mid-section and you have to pull him down instead of just blasting him if he's in the pocket, you can't even land on a quarterback on a tackle now. In 2014 the league further emphasized illegal contact in the secondary and penalties among defensive backs tripled in frequency that season. NFL quarterbacks averaged completing 63 percent of their passes that season, easily the highest in league history.

Air Raid coaches and air raid quarterbacks and receivers started to enter the NFL heavily during that time frame too. Look at Brady's 5th Super Bowl, he was 43-62 for 466 yards, they had two air raid receivers playing for them in that game. In the next Super Bowl he was in Brady threw for 505 yards.

Since the NFL changed all these rules, offenses record books have been re-written. Every 70,000 yard passer played in this era, every 50 touchdown passing season happened in this era, every 5000 yard passing season save one by Dan Marino happened in this era. All offensive Super Bowl total yardage records and passing yardage records happened in this era. Last year the completion percentage across the entire NFL was 65 percent and combined scoring was at an all time high. Gone are the days of two tight end, two receivers, full back and running back sets and quarterbacks under center. Unless the rules change back towards the defense, they never will return. College reflects that, you have to go out and put 40 up to win championships now. You won't see another 21-0 win like Alabama did to LSU in 2011 barring some kind of major injury or horrible weather in the title game. The rules are too favorable to offenses now. Which makes it all the more frustrating that we are stuck trying to re-live the 1990s on offense.

 

[docterjaws]

So what the solution guys?

Evidently we have soft running back that cant break tackles or long runs, an overrated oline that cant open holes or protect against edge rushers, a non existant tight end, and receivers that can not get separation.

So we throw a in quarterback with limited game experience and devise an intricate game play & expect execution? Or....

Throw in a quarterback with limited game experience and dummy down the game plan - and expect our soft RBS to all of a sudden get huge runs. That overrated offense line to start protecting and opening up big holes. A tight end that the defense actually has to account for. And our wide receivers all of a sudden separating and making plays? All based of skills alone, because we have to have a vanilla game plan?

tennesse is getting better - georgia and alabama are better than us so no matter how much you have a hope of being undefeated those two teams are simply better and all of you knew that coming into the season. Kentucky is the only game we should have won but that is on JG - you cant give the ball away 4 times and expect to win when you only have 11 to 12 possessions total in a game offensively. JG QB rating is 53rd in the nation!!! I am absolutely sure if there were a better qb on the bench he would be out there. There might be one but with covid they did not have practice time to mature and develop and that is not on pruitt.

 

[cgrish]

tennesse is getting better - georgia and alabama are better than us so no matter how much you have a hope of being undefeated those two teams are simply better and all of you knew that coming into the season. Kentucky is the only game we should have won but that is on JG - you cant give the ball away 4 times and expect to win when you only have 11 to 12 possessions total in a game offensively. JG QB rating is 53rd in the nation!!! I am absolutely sure if there were a better qb on the bench he would be out there. There might be one but with covid they did not have practice time to mature and develop and that is not on pruitt.

Of course it is on Pruitt, He should have had Bailey in the film room and on zoom calls, then he would know the offensive schemes and just get the reps in practice then he would be ready. ut's play book doesn't look that too complicated to learn. Other teams experienced covid just as we did, and Lsu had a true freshman qb that put up over 50 points last Sat. In other words when a player is sheltered in place due to covid there are other things they can do to prepare. And, of course just my opinion I believe all of our back ups are better than jg, and it will be shown when jg leaves.

 

[jarnol32]

Trent Dilfers stats from the 2000 Ravens SB win

12-25 153 1 TD

20 years ago. A lot has changed since then pal.

 

[ShoalCreekVol]

tennesse is getting better

Ok I'll take the bait. Please, explain how the performance of this team is better now than it was at the first of the year?
This time last year?
The year before that?
Butch's years?

I would contend that the main issue we are upset about is the fact that Tennessee is not getting better.

 

[VolforFootball]

JG did not hurt us vs Bama

Neither did I. I also didn’t help us, just like JG.

 

[sjt18]

JG did not hurt us vs Bama

Yeah. He did... badly.

His limitations are the limiting factor on the O. There are other problems. There are other guys who are failing and would probably fail in other ways if JG didn't limit the O.

The problem with him really isn't the "things he does". Every QB will turn the ball over some time or another. They will make mistakes. Within the scope of what JG "can do" he really doesn't make a ton of mistakes.

But he doesn't anticipate throws well so there are parts of the playbook that cannot be run. He lacks consistent accuracy and timing so he cannot throw to the deep middle vs good secondaries. That creates a big burden on the OL. He cannot read and throw on time vs blitzes. That makes the job of the OC and OL much harder. He doesn't have good pocket presence or help his pass protection by setting up blockers/eliminating rush angles.

He doesn't calculate risks very well. Often he's just too cautious to go ahead and make the play.

Timing routes are virtually off the table... he's always a half count late.

The announcer for the IU game crystalized it. JG has to "see" the receiver open before throwing.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Neither did I. I also didn’t help us, just like JG.

So who threw those 2 TD passes against Bama?

 

[LAVol1]

Trouble is, that tends to be JG at his best, not hurting the team. He rarely leads and never takes over.

Unfortunately, up till now, JG at his best was the best we could hope for. Seriously doubt the outcome would have been even marginally better with any other QB on the roster. We might have lost SC and Mizzou with any of our other QBs. I still think we'll see HB get a real shot when Pruitt determines he's ready--maybe against Arky or AU. Doubt he'll get his first start against A&M. I'm basing this on Pruitt giving Maurer and Shrout a chance last year. When they got their opportunity, they had much more time in the system than what Bailey has had to date, and they were worse than JG. Bailey is just not ready yet.

 

[BreatheUT]

Yeah. He did... badly.

His limitations are the limiting factor on the O. There are other problems. There are other guys who are failing and would probably fail in other ways if JG didn't limit the O.

The problem with him really isn't the "things he does". Every QB will turn the ball over some time or another. They will make mistakes. Within the scope of what JG "can do" he really doesn't make a ton of mistakes.

But he doesn't anticipate throws well so there are parts of the playbook that cannot be run. He lacks consistent accuracy and timing so he cannot throw to the deep middle vs good secondaries. That creates a big burden on the OL. He cannot read and throw on time vs blitzes. That makes the job of the OC and OL much harder. He doesn't have good pocket presence or help his pass protection by setting up blockers/eliminating rush angles.

He doesn't calculate risks very well. Often he's just too cautious to go ahead and make the play.

Timing routes are virtually off the table... he's always a half count late.

The announcer for the IU game crystalized it. JG has to "see" the receiver open before throwing.

You nailed a lot of it. I also think the lack of touches by the TE is due to JG or the inability of the offense to test the middle because of his limitations. Defenses are not afraid of him at all.

I agree that others haven't been impressive in other positions but it doesn't mean you use it as an excuse to keep JG on the field. Let's lose with someone else for a change then maybe fans will appreciate JG if he really is the best option.

Right now it's hard to see it.

 

[sjt18]

Unfortunately, up till now, JG at his best was the best we could hope for. Seriously doubt the outcome would have been even marginally better with any other QB on the roster. We might have lost SC and Mizzou with any of our other QBs. I still think we'll see HB get a real shot when Pruitt determines he's ready--maybe against Arky or AU. Doubt he'll get his first start against A&M. I'm basing this on Pruitt giving Maurer and Shrout a chance last year. When they got their opportunity, they had much more time in the system than what Bailey has had to date, and they were worse than JG. Bailey is just not ready yet.

Maurer wasn't "worse than JG"... and especially not when you factor in him being a true Fr. He made a lot of mistakes. But those mistakes are correctable. You cannot correct JG's innate limitations. His ceiling is what it is.

But Maurer with pretty limited understanding of the O or college game moved the O. His first half vs UGA was the best half of football played by any QB at UT since Dobbs graduated. He's raw but has potential.

Disagree completely about losing to SC or MU. UT would have had a MUCH better shot at beating UK with someone else.

 

[photovol]

Does anyone believe this Tennessee team has a chance of wining with these numbers?
We have two third down backs that go down usually after the first hit, while our opponents backs drag our linemen for yards after contact. Henry T didn’t have his best game and he is our best defender.

Henry T is a good tackler, but he’s poor in coverage, which makes him average at best

 

[LAVol1]

But Maurer with pretty limited understanding of the O or college game moved the O. His first half vs UGA was the best half of football played by any QB at UT since Dobbs graduated.

Better than JG v AU in '18? 21/32 328 yds. 2 TD 0 INT