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On the drive in, tuned into Beck and Boortz. They are almost frothing at the mouth, they are so out there now. Beck said Obama is a Marxist. Boortz was questioning someone in England who listens to his show on BBC. Not very easy to figure out what they were talking about as Boortz tends to wander a bit. But basically anything positive about Obama said by the caller was pounced on and mocked by Boortz with some sort of rhetorical question. He asked the guy if he liked peace and he said yes, and Boortz immediately goes "Define peace!" and prattles on nonsensenically for a minute or so. Kind of odd.

Tom Delay was on CNN last night. He also threw out the Marxist label. Seems like that is going to be the last minute mantra. Even though 80 percent of the American people cannot define Marxist (and probably half of the commentators throwing the label around can't either), its a good buzzword and invokes a lot of negative images.

Its going to be really, really harsh this weekend from the right, I suspect. They have no shame. Its disgusting.
 
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It is a perfectly true statement that he has Marxist principles.
 
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It's a fact he was the most liberal senator... mix that with a liberal controlled congress plus liberal media and that leads to a recipe for disaster.

Isn't that what this country tries to avoid?

That should be enough to keep people from voting for BHO.
 
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LG does anything concern you about Obama? Meaning does anything he has done, or plans to do, or believes concern you?
 
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Beck went a step further and called him a "Socialist Communist Fascist."

That's a strong combo.

It'd be entertaining if I knew his listeners didn't take him seriously.
 
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It should have been shrill months ago. BHO represents many ideals that contradict traditional American principles. No way he should ever run a campaign without a huge outcry against him.
 
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volinbham said:
What a shock, you're listening to the people you despise then criticizing them.
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I'm criticizing the shrillness, yes.

JZVOL's points are perfectly valid. It is perfectly legitimate to complain that Obama is going to tax the upper 5 % too much and that it will have the effect of hurting business investment. It is perfectly fine to say that his healthcare plan will be too bureaucratic and inefficient. It is absolutely correct to criticize his lack of foreign policy experience.

But calling him a Marxist is designed simply to exaggerate and scare people. As someone who is trying to make an intellectually honest assessment of the candidates, it depresses me and yes even antagonizes me that the Republican machine is using such tactics.

A certain amount of hyperbole is inevitable in any campaign. But this is just ridiculous.
 
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Headed For Home said:
It should have been shrill months ago. BHO represents many ideals that contradict traditional American principles. No way he should ever run a campaign without a huge outcry against him.
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Well, he's likely to become your president. Let that sink in.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm criticizing the shrillness, yes.

JZVOL's points are perfectly valid. It is perfectly legitimate to complain that Obama is going to tax the upper 5 % too much and that it will have the effect of hurting business investment. It is perfectly fine to say that his healthcare plan will be too bureaucratic and inefficient. It is absolutely correct to criticize his lack of foreign policy experience.

But calling him a Marxist is designed simply to exaggerate and scare people. As someone who is trying to make an intellectually honest assessment of the candidates, it depresses me and yes even antagonizes me that the Republican machine is using such tactics.

A certain amount of hyperbole is inevitable in any campaign. But this is just ridiculous.
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Do you deny that some of the things he has stated don't in some part have their origins in Marxist philosophy?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm criticizing the shrillness, yes.

JZVOL's points are perfectly valid. It is perfectly legitimate to complain that Obama is going to tax the upper 5 % too much and that it will have the effect of hurting business investment. It is perfectly fine to say that his healthcare plan will be too bureaucratic and inefficient. It is absolutely correct to criticize his lack of foreign policy experience.

But calling him a Marxist is designed simply to exaggerate and scare people. As someone who is trying to make an intellectually honest assessment of the candidates, it depresses me and yes even antagonizes me that the Republican machine is using such tactics.

A certain amount of hyperbole is inevitable in any campaign. But this is just ridiculous.
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Right wing talking heads: "Hey McCain, go deep!"

McCain: "Okay!"

RWTH: "No, deeper!"

McCain: "I'm open!"

RWTH: "No! Go long! Go as deep as you can!"

McCain: "Throw me the damn ball!"

RWTH: "Okay, but I have to warn you, my arm is not very strong. Here goes..."
 
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TennNC said:
I don't think LG is any more offended by this crap as many members of this board are by the "liberal elite media."
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I beg to differ. The people he is criticizing are clear partisans - they are expected to be extreme. The LEM as you call them claim a mantle of objectivity and have always been held to a higher standard.

If I started thread after thread about the Huffington Post, Daily Kos, Al Franken, etc. then we would have equivalence.

It's hard to avoid the media. It's not hard to avoid conservative talk show hosts -- especially when they get some so worked up with their shrillness.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm criticizing the shrillness, yes.

JZVOL's points are perfectly valid. It is perfectly legitimate to complain that Obama is going to tax the upper 5 % too much and that it will have the effect of hurting business investment. It is perfectly fine to say that his healthcare plan will be too bureaucratic and inefficient. It is absolutely correct to criticize his lack of foreign policy experience.

But calling him a Marxist is designed simply to exaggerate and scare people. As someone who is trying to make an intellectually honest assessment of the candidates, it depresses me and yes even antagonizes me that the Republican machine is using such tactics.

A certain amount of hyperbole is inevitable in any campaign. But this is just ridiculous.
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I just wonder why you don't peruse the liberal blogs and listen to the Air America crowd and express similar outrage at their shrillness?
 
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volinbham said:
I beg to differ. The people he is criticizing are clear partisans - they are expected to be extreme. The LEM as you call them claim a mantle of objectivity and have always been held to a higher standard.

If I started thread after thread about the Huffington Post, Daily Kos, Al Franken, etc. then we would have equivalence.

It's hard to avoid the media. It's not hard to avoid conservative talk show hosts -- especially when they get some so worked up with their shrillness.
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I'm all for calling out shrillness, fear mongering, wherever appropriate. So what's the equivalent, to use your language, of someone as well known and widely heard as Beck (syndicated talk show host heard on XM, AM radio nationwide, host of his own show on CNN Headline News) calling Obama a Fascist and warning his listeners to get their guns ready, b/c he's going to come after them?
 
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TennNC... Do you not think it is a bad thing to have a dem. controlled congress with the most liberal member as TPOTUS?

Is that not what we try to avoid?

If it was the other way around, even as a repub, I would admit it was not a good thing.
 
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TennNC said:
I'm all for calling out shrillness, fear mongering, wherever appropriate. So what's the equivalent, to use your language, of someone as well known and widely heard as Beck (syndicated talk show host heard on XM, AM radio nationwide, host of his own show on CNN Headline News) calling Obama a Fascist and warning his listeners to get their guns ready, b/c he's going to come after them?
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Using this standard I expect to see you call out celebrities who trash Palin and McCain, liberal blogs that reach millions, etc.

Start the shrillness role call.
 
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KB5252 said:
Do you deny that some of the things he has stated don't in some part have their origins in Marxist philosophy?
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Without getting into the nitty gritty, which would take us years to explore, the fundamental notion of Marxism is that the working classes eventually become educated and motivated enough to refuse to participate in the system by which some people own and some people are labor.

You have to remember he is writing at a time of the Industrial Revolution and people are largely inheriting wealth and power. Things are different now.

Marx did not really espouse actual revolution or action. His position was that the change would happen gradually. It was Lenin who really led the charge for a violent overhaul of the political system.

To say that Obama is "Marxist" simply because he wants to increase taxes on the top 5 % and lower them on the middle class is a naive oversimplification of our economic system and the relationship between the state and the economy.



volinbham said:
I beg to differ. The people he is criticizing are clear partisans - they are expected to be extreme. The LEM as you call them claim a mantle of objectivity and have always been held to a higher standard.

If I started thread after thread about the Huffington Post, Daily Kos, Al Franken, etc. then we would have equivalence.

It's hard to avoid the media. It's not hard to avoid conservative talk show hosts -- especially when they get some so worked up with their shrillness.
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I don't look to them for information, other than as they might be quoted elsewhere. Are any of them calling McCain a Stalinist or compare him to Hitler or something equally misleading, just because he favors a strong military?


volinbham said:
I just wonder why you don't peruse the liberal blogs and listen to the Air America crowd and express similar outrage at their shrillness?
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I don't get Air America down here. What have they called McCain? (See above)
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't look to them for information, other than as they might be quoted elsewhere.
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This implies you do look to Boortz, Beck, Limbaugh, Drudge for information.

This is my entire point. Why on earth do you look to these conservative talk show hosts for information when all you do is tell us how ridiculous and lacking in credibility they are?

I just don't get it.
 
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