Its getting shrill ...

[volinbham]

Okay this is from the HuffPo link above but the irony is too great to ignore:

There are a lot of things to ridicule about Sarah Palin's incomprehensible speaking style, her pathological dishonesty and her backwards, simplistic views on the issues. But it's her politics of fear and division that must be wholly rejected on Tuesday because it's too terrible to imagine waking up one week from today in an America that rewards the awfulness and fear which she and her subterranean allies require in order to politically exist.

Is this guy too dumb to know he undermines his entire argument by doing exactly what he accuses Palin of? He's invoking fear about her because of her characteristics and policies while criticizing her for invoking fear about Obama because of his characteristics and policies. Brilliant!

 

[volinbham]

sort of like asking if the "fist pound" from Michelle and Obama was "a terrorist fist jab?" as asked here on Fox News:

YouTube - Fox smears again.

Agreed - a biased commentary.

 

[TennNC]

Okay this is from the HuffPo link above but the irony is too great to ignore:



Is this guy too dumb to know he undermines his entire argument by doing exactly what he accuses Palin of? He's invoking fear about her because of her characteristics and policies while criticizing her for invoking fear about Obama because of his characteristics and policies. Brilliant!

Agreed.

So, do you think a blogger named Bob Cesca has the same influence as a TV and Radio personality like Glenn Beck?

 

[droski]

That thought absolutely sickens me. I don't believe BHO loves America. He seems to me to want the USA turned into an image of the EU. It is truely sad how many have bought into his charm and overlooked his substance.

agreed. why anyone would want to emulate a system that has produced far fewer jobs, much less economic growth, far larger budget deficits per gdp, slower wage growth, and much higher umemployment than the US is beyond me.

Hey, psssst, if you want to understand why it is that the majority of the middle class is focused on the economy and might vote for the black guy, consider the two top stories on CNN right now.

The first is that Exxon posted a rcord profit last quarter. $15 billion in three months.

The second is that Amex is laying off 7,000 workers, adding to the already 470,000 who filed for unemployment last month.

There is a sense out there that the Dems were right in 2000 and 2004 when thjey warned that in George Bush's economy the rich would get richer and the poor would get poorer. Now, you can call that class warfare, but the truth hurts and that is why Obama saying he would give a tax break to the bottom 95 % and roll back the breaks for the top 5 % seem "fair" to most people.

exxon's profit margin is 10%. why doesn't anyone bitch that apple is making billions with a 50% profit margin? There is no such sense that the rich have gotten richer because of george bush outside of the lazy and ultra liberal. the rich have gotten far more screwed by this economic downturn than the average middle class person. the rich are losing their high paying jobs, losing their expensive homes, and losing 40% of their net worth (stock market and housing prices).

 

[volinbham]

Agreed.

So, do you think a blogger named Bob Cesca has the same influence as a TV and Radio personality like Glenn Beck?

Yes if the HuffPo reaches a large enough audience - which it does.

Also because the nature of these blogs is the reinforcing comments section that ramps up the echo chamber.

Finally, I think this is a great example of how fear is used on both sides. The author just doesn't recognize it.

 

[volinbham]

More fear about fear:

Our Greatest Fear | Home

Once again, the irony is staggering.

This is from Danny Elfman - former Oingo Boingo member and current composer of themes such as the Simpsons.

 

[Headed For Home]

Hey, psssst, if you want to understand why it is that the majority of the middle class is focused on the economy and might vote for the black guy, consider the two top stories on CNN right now.

The first is that Exxon posted a rcord profit last quarter. $15 billion in three months.

The second is that Amex is laying off 7,000 workers, adding to the already 470,000 who filed for unemployment last month.

There is a sense out there that the Dems were right in 2000 and 2004 when thjey warned that in George Bush's economy the rich would get richer and the poor would get poorer. Now, you can call that class warfare, but the truth hurts and that is why Obama saying he would give a tax break to the bottom 95 % and roll back the breaks for the top 5 % seem "fair" to most people.

This idea could only be perceived as "fair" by the uninformed. The wealthiest of our country already pay a much higher percentage of our tax base. Further taxes on any class to pay the way for and even subsidize a great number of our population who either don't work or did not prepare themselves to earn the wages they desire, may be accepted by the people receiving the payments, but that would only make the idea a scheme to get elected not "fair".

 

[volinbham]

Is John Cusack famous enough to have influence? Here's his high-minded analysis of McCain/Palin

John Cusack: The Final Distraction: McCain/Palin Worse Than Bush

First words:

We all know McCain has sold his soul to win.

Hmmm. Nothing shrill there.

McCain's plans:

McCain and the neocon ideologues won't "reform" government, they will gut government and privatize everything in sight in the name of responding to the crises they helped engineer through Bush and Cheney. Their view of government is the reverse of the Hippocratic Oath: do harm and then when the patient is sick, give the wrong medicine, watch him die, and sell off the body parts.

They will destroy the Department of Energy, HUD and anything else they can get their hands on. With this crew, all you need to do is destroy government, privatize it and get out of the way, and then a magic utopia appears. Well, actually it doesn't, but a lot of connected people get rich, and in the privatized war business, blood money flows and a **** of a lot of innocent people die. The numbers and the misery are staggering. The legacy of Bush/McCain is a legacy of shame. Any man that stood with this criminal administration should be forced to answer for it.

Sounds reasonable. Criminals, murderers, punishment if you in any way supported the Bush administration.

Okay anyone that believes in free markets and reform is part of the problem too.

It is fundamentally corrupt and dishonest to call it reform when leaders want to cripple government, then hand it over to private industry, usually subsidized by taxpayers, but for other people's profits. More like contempt for government.

Red meat for dummies... a horror show for the rest of us.

Just respectable policy differences - no shrillness here.

 

[droski]

lawgator finds that fair and balanced

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

roll call?

give me one example of a Dem partisan using language equivalent to what Beck used.

A few weeks ago I saw on the news that a Democrat politician in Georgia (can't recall his name) likened McCain to segregationist ex-Alabama governor George Wallace. Likenening McCain to George Wallace is far more absurd that comparing Obama to Marx, in my opinion.

And anyone who believes Obama will lower the taxes on the middle-class is fooling themselves. Obama will increase taxes on the middle- and upper-class so he can give it to those who refuse to work. You know, gotta spread the wealth!

 

[TennNC]

More fear about fear:

Our Greatest Fear | Home

Once again, the irony is staggering.

This is from Danny Elfman - former Oingo Boingo member and current composer of themes such as the Simpsons.

Danny Elfman = composer

John Cusack = actor

Glenn Beck = pundit, commentator, observer, political talk show host

This would be a good example of equivalence, if such a thing exists:

"Sarah Palin is a neo-Nazi Tyrant who is going to burn books and take away our first Amendment right to freedom of speech." - Keith Olbermann

 

[JZVOL]

And if people don't like Beck or disagree with him they don't have to tune in. Beck, as a commentator or observer gives an opinion and has to stir people up to keep an audience.

He no more qualified or valued than Cusak or anyone else really.

Most people understand that.

 

[TennNC]

And if people don't like Beck or disagree with him they don't have to tune in. Beck, as a commentator or observer gives an opinion and has to stir people up to keep an audience.

I'd bet that if we surveyed voters, they'd say Beck has more influence than Cusack.

But point taken - I agree that people can choose to listen to someone like Beck, and then when Beck goes too far in his attempt to stir up an audience, they can choose not to listen anymore and denounce his comments. Like, say, the way one could choose to no longer listen to their pastor.

 

[volinbham]

Danny Elfman = composer

John Cusack = actor

Glenn Beck = pundit, commentator, observer, political talk show host

This would be a good example of equivalence, if such a thing exists:

"Sarah Palin is a neo-Nazi Tyrant who is going to burn books and take away our first Amendment right to freedom of speech." - Keith Olbermann

So these don't count as shrillness that you are going to call out?

Clearly these people have reach to millions via their celebrity.

 

[JZVOL]

Like, say, the way one could choose to no longer listen to their pastor after 20 years and pressure from the public

fyp

 

[truefan]

agreed. why anyone would want to emulate a system that has produced far fewer jobs, much less economic growth, far larger budget deficits per gdp, slower wage growth, and much higher umemployment than the US is beyond me.



exxon's profit margin is 10%. why doesn't anyone bitch that apple is making billions with a 50% profit margin? There is no such sense that the rich have gotten richer because of george bush outside of the lazy and ultra liberal. the rich have gotten far more screwed by this economic downturn than the average middle class person. the rich are losing their high paying jobs, losing their expensive homes, and losing 40% of their net worth (stock market and housing prices).

Quite honestly one of the more stupid comments ever posted on VolNation.

After reading your posts from the past several days, I realize you are clueless as to the definition of rich.

Many of the jobs that have been lost, the high paying ones, weren't necessary in the first place. Someone "rich" isn't going to lost their expensive home. The "rich" homes are paid for. If you are "rich" in the true sense of the word, you are going to be worth high seven digits to eight digits. If you have overextended yourself and lost your home, you aren't rich.

Your statement still takes me aback. Unbelievably ignorant.

 

[JZVOL]

Quite honestly one of the more stupid comments ever posted on VolNation.

After reading your posts from the past several days, I realize you are clueless as to the definition of rich.

Many of the jobs that have been lost, the high paying ones, weren't necessary in the first place. Someone "rich" isn't going to lost their expensive home. The "rich" homes are paid for. If you are "rich" in the true sense of the word, you are going to be worth high seven digits to eight digits. If you have overextended yourself and lost your home, you aren't rich.

Your statement still takes me aback. Unbelievably ignorant.

That's not even close to being true.


And you don't know what you're talking about. Many, many rich people try to keep up with colleagues and over extend themselves.

 

[droski]

Many of the jobs that have been lost, the high paying ones, weren't necessary in the first place. Someone "rich" isn't going to lost their expensive home. The "rich" homes are paid for. If you are "rich" in the true sense of the word, you are going to be worth high seven digits to eight digits. If you have overextended yourself and lost your home, you aren't rich.

Your statement still takes me aback. Unbelievably ignorant.

by obama's definition of rich, 250K a year ,there are many of those people whose homes aren't anywhere near paid off and who are losing them because they got laid off. as for the rich people's jobs that weren't necessary. Which ones would those be exactly? please explain since you are of so much smarter than I.

 

[Sudden Impact]

I think some of you should develop an exit plan because you are not going to be able to live in this country for at least 4 years.

 

[KB5252]

Quite honestly one of the more stupid comments ever posted on VolNation.

After reading your posts from the past several days, I realize you are clueless as to the definition of rich.

Many of the jobs that have been lost, the high paying ones, weren't necessary in the first place. Someone "rich" isn't going to lost their expensive home. The "rich" homes are paid for. If you are "rich" in the true sense of the word, you are going to be worth high seven digits to eight digits. If you have overextended yourself and lost your home, you aren't rich.


Likewise, if you have overextended yourself and lost your home, you aren't poor (necessarily).

Your statement still takes me aback. Unbelievably ignorant.

See above.

 

[truefan]

That's not even close to being true.


And you don't know what you're talking about. Many, many rich people try to keep up with colleagues and over extend themselves.

They aren't rich if they are trying to keep up with others. I can't actually believe you made such a statement.

I know many people making at least $250,000 and none of them are losing their homes.

Regardless, those making 250000 have a far easier time coping under times of economic duress than your basic middle class family. It is absurd you could think otherwise, but I have a sneaky suspicion you are either still in college or are a recent graduate and have no frame of reference to be making such foolish comments

 

[volinbham]

Here Olbermann calls her a socialist and a fraud

Firedoglake Olbermann: Sarah Palin Is A Fraud

More shrillness and condescension from KO

The Raw Story | Olbermann rips Palin for not knowing what VP does

Here he refers to her as "sick" with regard to a wrong report on her special Olympic funding

Olbermann Falsely Accuses Palin of Cutting Special Olympics Funds | NewsBusters.org

Here Obama suggests McCain is a racist

Olbermann Smears Iraq Vet, McCain as Racists | NewsBusters.org

Here he calls McCain a flaming fraud on his way to trashing Cindy McCain

YouTube - Great Moments in Olbypocrisy: Wives Are Off Limits!

Last one of many - here he accuses McCain of inciting violence and racial hate.

YouTube - Keith Olbermann Rips McCain for RACIST Rallys

Just a short list of the commentary from KO. A bit shrill don't you think?

 

[KB5252]

They aren't rich if they are trying to keep up with others. I can't actually believe you made such a statement.

I know many people making at least $250,000 and none of them are losing their homes.

Regardless, those making 250000 have a far easier time coping under times of economic duress than your basic middle class family. It is absurd you could think otherwise, but I have a sneaky suspicion you are either still in college or are a recent graduate and have no frame of reference to be making such foolish comments

Just out of curiosity, how many people making under $250k do you know losing their homes?

 

[droski]

most families are under duress if the sole income earner losses their job. 250K a year buys you a nice, not great house in LA or NYC. I'm not shedding any tears for these guys if they lose their houses, but to imply the middle class has gotten screwed and the rich are living high on the hog in this environment is just plain ridiculous.

 

[truefan]

Just out of curiosity, how many people making under $250k do you know losing their homes?

Two, but neither are "losing" it as a result of foreclosure. Both are selling and downgrading because they can't hardly afford the payment anymore. And both are examples of families "trying to keep up" with others.