Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[TrippieRedd]

THEN WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE NIL WE'RE ALREADY CONTRIBUTING TOO?!

Now they are making you contribute.

That’s my issue.

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

I'm not an economist, but it's economics. The market will adjust itself if consumers stop paying for it. We are riding good times, and they have demand. The interesting decisions will come when demand is low for poor product, but I hope that is a long time from now.

Its obvious collegiate football is copying the nfl model to a degree. You have teams like the panthers, giants, and the browns (historically) that arent good. I wonder how much their season tickets and PSL’s price fluctuates when their team has multiple bad seasons. If I had to guess and I could be very wrong, but its hard to invision those prices dropping precipitously.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Ok so 10x the number of vol club members to 45,000 fans are contributing to NIL in some form. Now its only 55,000 fans at each ball game are not contributing to NIL. The fact is the vast majority of vol fans are not. ( and thats fine.) This is just a way to massively increase the NIL revenue. It is what it is. Georgia just decided to go this route to make up for being so far behind with their collective and now we are trying to stay a step ahead of them.

Not sure what the debate/discussion you're trying to have is exactly.

If you're saying that over half of the TN fans AREN'T contributing to NIL you're just flat out wrong. The only absolute that can be stated is the Vol Club ONLY has 4500 members. The correlation that you're trying to derive lacks metrics to confirm or even dispute. NIL is a vague umbrella, if I pay ESPN to watch TN play I'm contributing to the NIL of the university and players even if indirectly. I'm spending money to watch the team & players.

 

[jmacvols1]

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

You don't need all that. I'm talking a single game ticket and parking. That's it.

*A lower bowl ticket to a bama game is probably going to be $500+ just by itself.

I just checked, $600 - $1k

 

[BigSteve09]

What if I just want to take my family to the games for a fair price?

Spoiler

Tuff

that's been out the window since Hamilton

 

[TheRain]

It's play for pay. We were always going to pay for it.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

The reality is that everyone throwing a fit are the ones that expect the rich boosters to just continue footing the bill of the ever growing expense of paying for the good players to come, while also demanding excellence on the field every year no matter the cost (even though it’s not their money paying for it).

The economy of how much players cost exploded with NIL and having boosters pay for that while also paying for the never ending faculty upgrades is not sustainable and at some point soon, something is going to give unless we change the model. Bravo for Danny White continuing to be the pioneer and lead TN at the front of the pack. This will happen everywhere, whether they admit the reason or not.

Nah...I'm throwing a fit because the university should cut the fat to also help offset the cost.

 

[DarthVol1]

The reality is that everyone throwing a fit are the ones that expect the rich boosters to just continue footing the bill of the ever growing expense of paying for the good players to come, while also demanding excellence on the field every year no matter the cost (even though it’s not their money paying for it).

The economy of how much players cost exploded with NIL and having boosters pay for that while also paying for the never ending faculty upgrades is not sustainable and at some point soon, something is going to give unless we change the model. Bravo for Danny White continuing to be the pioneer and lead TN at the front of the pack. This will happen everywhere, whether they admit the reason or not.

Yep. I always love the " pay the man" comments that get thrown out about coaches and players. Everyone is good with spending someone else's money.

 

[engineerVOL]

Everything flows downstream

 

[TrippieRedd]

If anything, they AT LEAST should have waited till we made a playoff run before doing this.

I hope it pans out, but fans aren’t gonna want to pay for Cheez-It bowl champs

 

[MoCo_Vol]

If anything, they AT LEAST should have waited till we made a playoff run before doing this.

I hope it pans out, but fans aren’t gonna want to pay for Cheez-It bowl champs

Yeah, the timing of the announcement is a bit weird... but I'm assuming it's because the start of the fiscal year is October 1st so a good chance the change shows up first in -this- year's basketball ticket prices.

 

[DD4ME]

Love it.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

If anything, they AT LEAST should have waited till we made a playoff run before doing this.

I hope it pans out, but fans aren’t gonna want to pay for Cheez-It bowl champs

Not only that but people can't whine about booing players anymore either. Those booing are literally paying their contracts.

 

[BigSteve09]

Facts. Especially with how steep the hotel pricing goes too

For me it would be, wake up early, 3 hour drive over, watch game, 3 hour drive home in the dark (I hate driving in the dark especially late at night).

Would much rather have friends and family over to grill out and watch the game

This is where i've been at for some time. It hasn't been affordable to go to Tennessee games in a long time. The game tickets aren't the problem. And the hotels will increase their prices as well now that they see the fans will pay more to go to games. But that increase will not be going to players.

 

[TrippieRedd]

And what about the Pilot sponsorship? I heard kids were gonna rake in NIL from that?

They just keep piling on…

 

[VolGee4]

Its obvious collegiate football is copying the nfl model to a degree. You have teams like the panthers, giants, and the browns (historically) that arent good. I wonder how much their season tickets and PSL’s price fluctuates when their team has multiple bad seasons. If I had to guess and I could be very wrong, but its hard to invision those prices dropping precipitously.

People want to be entertained and love football. It's a very popular form of entertainment, and many times a new season brings on hope. Also, a bunch of NFL stadiums have a capacity between 60k-80k. Metlife is 82,500. The opponents' fans also enjoy traveling to see their teams at different venues.

 

[orangejuice]

If anything, they AT LEAST should have waited till we made a playoff run before doing this.

I hope it pans out, but fans aren’t gonna want to pay for Cheez-It bowl champs

I would say the previous 20 years prove your theory wrong. We will b***h and moan (rightfully so) but still continue to pay. We never stopped no matter how bad our teams were.

 

[VolNash17]

If anything, they AT LEAST should have waited till we made a playoff run before doing this.

I hope it pans out, but fans aren’t gonna want to pay for Cheez-It bowl champs

1000%

 

[mrMet]

This is where i've been at for some time. It hasn't been affordable to go to Tennessee games in a long time. The game tickets aren't the problem. And the hotels will increase their prices as well now that they see the fans will pay more to go to games. But that increase will not be going to players.

Yeah it used to not affect me since I had friends in Knox. I still have one over there, but the lady isn’t as keen bout sleeping on the floor as a man is

 

[TrippieRedd]

I would say the previous 20 years prove your theory wrong. We will b***h and moan (rightfully so) but still continue to pay. We never stopped no matter how bad our teams were.

It’s totally different now.

We weren’t paying 8mil to one player. We were never paying the players OUR money previously.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

The price of being a top notch program.

I’ll pay it.

 

[Jack Burton]

People don’t have to like it (I don’t) but getting mad at Danny White like some of our fans are doing online currently is stupid. He either adapts to the new environment, or Tennessee falls behind. We may be the first to announce this, but we won’t be the last. Just like we were the first to announce on field sponsorships (Pilot) and others have yet to do so. He’s a trailblazer, which is why we are where we are on the field.

Trust me, I don’t like the continued nickle and diming of fans. It sucks. But the genie is out of the bottle and this is what happens after years of screaming for college athletes to get a piece of the pie. It’s not “Tennessee’s fault”. This is just where college athletics is headed.

It’s an arms race and it’s not going to slow down. Does a head coach need to make $10 million annually for college sports? No. But either you pay them or someone else takes them. Do college facilities need to be shinier with insane bells and whistles that some pro facilities don’t even have? No. They don’t. But either you spend money and build it or you lose recruits. I’m not really sure how you solve it other than continue to spend more money. It just is what it is.

Arms race indeed. Part of the reason we’ve been able to bounce back under Heupel is the strength of our NIL through Spyre. We were one of the first to adopt that collective system and it paid off. Now we’re one of the first to setup revenue sharing. Of course, the NCAA may try their BS with us again but I’m not concerned about it. You have to be on the cutting edge to compete at a high level and we’re taking steps to do so.

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

Just because we pay more for tickets, doesnt mean we will continue to be good. There will be 20-30 other programs doing the same thing as us (see uga).

Look at the nfl, all 32 teams essentially print crazy amounts of money each year and about 2/3 of them arent even good yoy. The test will be how much, if at all, will the milking stop when the big orange has a couple down seasons. In the nfl, they still charge you out the ass regardless if the home team stinks. And for some reason, people keep showing up.

 

[VolGee4]

This is where i've been at for some time. It hasn't been affordable to go to Tennessee games in a long time. The game tickets aren't the problem. And the hotels will increase their prices as well now that they see the fans will pay more to go to games. But that increase will not be going to players.

It's gone way up in the last 3 years though. I was able to buy single game tickets to the USCjr. game from the university in Heupel's first year. They were in section B (good seats). We could always stay at the Doubletree in Oak Ridge for $150/night. Both of those options are now gone just 3 years later.