"Half Season" Martin Pre February Record

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BruinVol said:
With a roster full of talent and experience it is really that simple imo.

No injuries and plenty of experience and I am out of patience.

It's a put out or get out mentality for me.

3 years in with a superior roster and no injuries that simplistic approach needs to be accepted by more here IMO
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Why don't you actually use this argument instead off all this other dumb **** about half season.

How about this novel approach. Let's wait till the end of the SEC tournament, then figure out where we stand as a program, instead of using three games as some sort of actual data that matters.
 
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BruinVol said:
With a roster full of talent and experience it is really that simple imo.

No injuries and plenty of experience and I am out of patience.

It's a put out or get out mentality for me.

3 years in with a superior roster and no injuries that simplistic approach needs to be accepted by more here IMO
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No. BS. You are talking about his first 3 YEARS! Not just this year. Now, you are changing your argument. How can you be taken seriously?

I understand being disappointed this year, but your numbers compared the first 3 years of those coaches. SMDH.
 
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zjcvols said:
BruinVol said:
Why don't you actually use this argument instead off all this other dumb **** about half season.

How about this novel approach. Let's wait till the end of the SEC tournament, then figure out where we stand as a program, instead of using three games as some sort of actual data that matters.
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The entire point of this thread which was stated after game 1 was to see if martin had developed as a coach.

Not one poster thought 14-6 was an unfair benchmark for measuring his growth as a coach.

Now that it looks unlikely you guys defending a coach that hasnt grown into the coach we deserve are coming out of the woodwork asking for more time.

To hell with more time. Zero excuse for defending a coach that hasnt developed at all and has a worse pre feb winning % less than buzz!!
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VolGee4 said:
No. BS. You are talking about his first 3 YEARS! Not just this year. Now, you are changing your argument. How can you be taken seriously?

I understand being disappointed this year, but your numbers compared the first 3 years of those coaches. SMDH.
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This entire thread is about 3 years. Read the op. I started it after game 1
 
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BruinVol said:
And this entire thread is about pre February records.

Which is why we have been an nit team back to back years after 6 straight dancing trips
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Wait wait wait wait wait.....

You just said in the post above yours it was the entire three years.

Can you really not see why arguing with you is literally a cluster****?
 
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BruinVol said:
zjcvols said:
The entire point of this thread which was stated after game 1 was to see if martin had developed as a coach.

Not one poster thought 14-6 was an unfair benchmark for measuring his growth as a coach.

Now that it looks unlikely you guys defending a coach that hasnt grown into the coach we deserve are coming out of the woodwork asking for more time.

To hell with more time. Zero excuse for defending a coach that hasnt developed at all and has a worse pre feb winning % less than buzz!!
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You are so wrong. I always wait until the end of the year to see. But comparing him to the other coaches is so, so, simple minded. They are different circumstances. Buzz inherited more experienced talent than CCM did and Green had gone to 4 tournaments! Green inherited some serious talent from O'Neil. If you just want to look at those numbers, then so be it. But it is so stupid to do so without looking behind the numbers. If CCM doesn't make the tournament this year, then we need to find a coach who can. But let this crap go.

Edit: Sorry, zjc, I hope you know this wasn't for you. Somehow, Bruin messed up the quotes.
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zjcvols said:
Wait wait wait wait wait.....

You just said in the post above yours it was the entire three years.

Can you really not see why arguing with you is literally a cluster****?
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Pre Febuary record.

If I didn't state that then my appologie

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zjcvols said:
Wait wait wait wait wait.....

You just said in the post above yours it was the entire three years.

Can you really not see why arguing with you is literally a cluster****?
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You better read closer for content instead of checking for grammar mistakes.

It clearly said pre February records
 
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I honestly don't get the infatuation with this pre-February record. Are we missing out on some award ceremony for pre-February achievement? Is there a pre-February NCAA tournament that I don't know about?

Bruin, the point is, you simply have a cynical, negative outlook on all things UT sports related, and I doubt it stops there. You go out in search of the negative. If it wasn't "Half-Season's" pre-February record, it would be his November 27th-January 8th when we wear black shoes record, or any other arbitrary period and stipulation you could spin into a negative light.

The act is old my man. If it isn't an act, then you really should examine your life and have more fun. Miserable life is miserable.
 
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Chris


The act is old for most here because its 100% true that we are severely underachieving to start all 3 seasons under half season.

The pre February record was brought up because it was the portion of the season that made the first two seasons failures and possibly a 3rd this year.

When evaluating a coaches ability to lead a program obvious weaknesses are going to be discussed and when they aren't corrected they become reasons to discuss other options.

Half season has 2 games left to prove he has developed past this huge weakness as our coach. Most here agreed 14-6 was a fair measuring stick when made in November but now that it doesn't fit for the appologist it just isn't long enough.

This program deserves a leader that puts a team on the court that will play to its potential for a larger portion of the season and that is an unarguable fact backed up by records that show half season behind buzz and just ahead of wade in pre feb winning %.
 
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BruinVol said:
Chris


The act is old for most here because its 100% true.

The pre February record was brought up because it was the portion of the season that made the first two seasons failures and possibly a 3rd this year.

When evaluating a coaches ability to lead a program obvious weaknesses are going to be discussed and when they aren't corrected they become reasons to discuss other options.

Half season has 2 games left to prove he has developed past this huge weakness as our coach. Most here agreed 14-6 was a fair measuring stick when made in November but now that it doesn't fit for the appologist it just isn't long enough.

This program deserves a leader that puts a team on the court that will play to its potential for a larger portion of the season and that is an unarguable fact backed up by records that show half season behind buzz and just ahead of wade in pre feb winning %.
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I just dont get how the next two games change anything. If he wins them, does it change anything? Not really. Two wins won't erase losses to UTEP, NCSU, and aTm. It just seems so myopic and irrelevant. If people don't support him now, two games shouldn't make a difference, win or lose.

At this point, everyone's lot should be cast. You're either in or out. If in two and a half seasons, you haven't picked a side of the fence to stand on, then I hardly see how two games is going to be the great equalizer.

I think it's just been something for your to talk about for the past four months. This time next week, you'll have moved on to something else by default I guess.
 
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cncchris33 said:
At this point, everyone's lot should be cast. You're either in or out. If in two and a half seasons, you haven't picked a side of the fence to stand on, then I hardly see how two games is going to be the great equalizer.

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There has been zero doubt that half season can get it done late in the season. I even started a thread about his stellar late season record.

For that reason he deserves the right to show he has developed away from the underachieving coach in the first half of the year.

Just like I gave DD a chance to reach his benchmark of winning 7games in year 3 before losing all faith. I am giving half season the same chance.


Benchmarks set that were fair are plenty appropriate to stick by IMO
 
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cncchris33 said:
I just dont get how the next two games change anything. If he wins them, does it change anything? Not really. Two wins won't erase losses to UTEP, NCSU, and aTm. It just seems so myopic and irrelevant. If people don't support him now, two games shouldn't make a difference, win or lose.

At this point, everyone's lot should be cast. You're either in or out. If in two and a half seasons, you haven't picked a side of the fence to stand on, then I hardly see how two games is going to be the great equalizer.

I think it's just been something for your to talk about for the past four months. This time next week, you'll have moved on to something else by default I guess.
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Myopic and irrelevant are bruin's specialty.
 
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So what prize is won here if Martin goes 1-1 over the next two or 2-0. What are you going to do Bruin? Create another thread about after Feburary record? Or will you gloat and carry on if he goes 0-2. I just don't see the point.
 
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SJAVol32 said:
So what prize is won here if Martin goes 1-1 over the next two or 2-0. What are you going to do Bruin? Create another thread about after Feburary record? Or will you gloat and carry on if he goes 0-2. I just don't see the point.
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The other thread was made at the same time. It was meant for discussion on what was different with the staff because they have been completely the opposite after Febuary 1st.


Half season had to prove to me that he developed Into a capable coach all year. If he proves otherwise I am done supporting him.
 
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SJAVol32 said:
So what prize is won here if Martin goes 1-1 over the next two or 2-0. What are you going to do Bruin? Create another thread about after Feburary record? Or will you gloat and carry on if he goes 0-2. I just don't see the point.
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That is essentially what I was getting at. There is no recourse for this team going anything less than 2-0 outside of losing Bruin's pseudo-support. They won't lose sleep over that.

It's just a talking point for him, and one that allows him 3-4 months of opportunity. Going 2-0 doesn't make this team any better than going 1-1. They are what they are. Consistently inconsistent.
 
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If Apologist = supporting the team, then color me an apologist.

Yes he inherited a team that had been to 6 straight tournaments. Did you look at what he had coming back? He lost almost everyone from the previous year.

Kenny Hall, skylar Mcbee, Swiperboy, an unproven McRae, Golden, and a freshman in stokes coming in half way through is about all he had. I think I saw he lost about 80% of his scoring from the previous year. Kenny hall and Swiperboy did nothing, so don't tell me they were 4 stars and a lot of talent. They both underachieved. Maymon did nothing under pearl and under Martin became a solid player.

Yes, he inherited a 6 in a row tournament team. However, he was left with almost nothing other than Golden and Tatum to work with. It was a borderline rebuilding job with the contributors he was left with and he came on too late in the process to sign multiple quality recruits. That's why we end up with guys like Washpun.

Is CCM a good coach? Right now I doubt it. But don't bring up "the situation he was left" and play like it was a great situation to walk into, Bruin.
 
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BruinVol said:
The other thread was made at the same time. It was meant for discussion on what was different with the staff because they have been completely the opposite after Febuary 1st.


Half season had to prove to me that he developed Into a capable coach all year. If he proves otherwise I am done supporting him.
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What other thread? Honestly I didn't see you post in the BB forum until this year.
 
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