’14 GA DB Evan Berry (UT Signee 2/5/14)

[Brave Volunteer]

Dews and E Mosley aren't "projects"

Far from it...both players were offered after evaluations in camp by Butch and staff

So if you're a spot shy and Adoree Jackson wants to come to UT, you don't think CBJ tells Mosley to look around? (Not saying that will happen, just a hypothetical).

 

[Sudden Impact]

Dews and E Mosley aren't "projects"

Far from it...both players were offered after evaluations in camp by Butch and staff

I agree with ajvol. These two players are not projects. CBJ knows what he is doing and do not sale committed Vols short. Yes you are Brave just not so smart. Ratings mean nothing at this point and both will grade out higher in the services in the end.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

I agree with ajvol. These two players are not projects. CBJ knows what he is doing and do not sale committed Vols short. Yes you are Brave just not so smart. Ratings mean nothing at this point and both will grade out higher in the services in the end.

Simple question then, why are they rated as 2 star athletes? Not saying stars mean everything but come on, they count for something. There has to be SOME reason why these guys aren't rated any higher. I could see them maxing out at maybe a low 3 star but it's not like they're going to shock the world and blow up to a 4 or 5 star by the end of the season.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Simple question then, why are they rated as 2 star athletes? Not saying stars mean everything but come on, they count for something. There has to be SOME reason why these guys aren't rated any higher. I could see them maxing out at maybe a low 3 star but it's not like they're going to shock the world and blow up to a 4 or 5 star by the end of the season.

Stars come from camping. If players don't camp then they are not rated high. For example, see Gaulden.

 

[ajvol01]

Simple question then, why are they rated as 2 star athletes? Not saying stars mean everything but come on, they count for something. There has to be SOME reason why these guys aren't rated any higher. I could see them maxing out at maybe a low 3 star but it's not like they're going to shock the world and blow up to a 4 or 5 star by the end of the season.

Because the evals are any or all of below:

1) out of date
2) done from film/ measurables only
3) low because player did not attend ($$$) camps for that scouting service

I trust Butch and his staff (see Devaun Swafford & AJ Branisel) more than Rivals, Scout, 247 & ESPN combined

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Stars come from camping. If players don't camp then they are not rated high. For example, see Gaulden.

So you're telling me that a player's in-game performance evaluation is not factored in AT ALL when these sites do their rankings? I find that very hard to believe. Showing out in camp is nice and all but for my money it's what these kids do under the lights that matter most.

 

[ajvol01]

So you're telling me that a player's in-game performance evaluation is not factored in AT ALL when these sites do their rankings? I find that very hard to believe. Showing out in camp is nice and all but for my money it's what these kids do under the lights that matter most.

I recommend you check Mosley's film and Dews stats

Dews is averaging 2 sacks per game this fall

Mosley is 6 ft and ran electronically timed 4.35 40 yd dash...future shutdown CB

 

[kw3953]

I recommend you check Mosley's film and Dews stats

Dews is averaging 2 sacks per game this fall

Mosley is 6 ft and ran electronically timed 4.35 40 yd dash...future shutdown CB

Level of play and competition does count. Maryland is not Tenn for example...

 

[UTFanForLife]

There is a good chance if a kid with a 2* rating has an offer from TN, then they have that 2* because they werent evaluated yet.

It has been pretty common to see this. Pretty sure both Dews and Moseley were unrated before committing, then soon as they committed, boom 2*.

 

[Dragon18]

Level of play and competition does count. Maryland is not Tenn for example...

That is correct, I'm sure it is better. Hate to be "that guy" but I have been watching some local HS football lately now that my son is playing in middle school and wants to go to the varsity games. I have been less than impressed with what I have seen compared to what I grew up with in the Carolinas. That's JMO though and there are some very good players locally.eace2:

 

[Sudden Impact]

So if you're a spot shy and Adoree Jackson wants to come to UT, you don't think CBJ tells Mosley to look around? (Not saying that will happen, just a hypothetical).

We don't know the full extent of the conversations nor do we know the conditions of the commitment between CBJ these players and Staff. What we do know is that this commitments were worthy of a seat on the train and if I am confident that scenarios have been forecasted and told to these players regarding their status as future Vols.

CBJ and staff will stand by their word and honor any scenario that the told these players.

Mosley is playing lights out this year and Dews is too. The coaches know what they need and they are not handing out scholarships like candy. It's kids like these that you look at down the road and state where did he come from.

Unless someone lays eyes on them it's hard to evaluate. Hard numbers and camps seem to be the norm. I am sure they meet the standards. If they didn't they would never receive an offer.

I am beginning to think that the number we focus on is 85 vs 30 or 31.

 

[CWGvol]

Do we even know the extent of Paulk's knee injury? I know everyone thinks that it is ACL, but do we know for sure? His surgery was successful, and he could use a medical red shirt next year. I don't think Paulk will be asked to gray shirt.

You're right, we won't be. It makes no sense to. This one would be a medical redshirt and he would still have a regular redshirt if needed.

 

[Madkins8]

We don't know the full extent of the conversations nor do we know the conditions of the commitment between CBJ these players and Staff. What we do know is that this commitments were worthy of a seat on the train and if I am confident that scenarios have been forecasted and told to these players regarding their status as future Vols.

CBJ and staff will stand by their word and honor any scenario that the told these players.

Mosley is playing lights out this year and Dews is too. The coaches know what they need and they are not handing out scholarships like candy. It's kids like these that you look at down the road and state where did he come from.

Unless someone lays eyes on them it's hard to evaluate. Hard numbers and camps seem to be the norm. I am sure they meet the standards. If they didn't they would never receive an offer.

I am beginning to think that the number we focus on is 85 vs 30 or 31.

I think Dews would be wise to use the GS. If you watch his HUDL, he is ridiculously skinny. I think he is 30-40 pounds away from his college playing weight right now.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Conspiracy Theory: Butch told the twins to hold off for a late signing day commitment. The last commitment/signings. The cherries on top of the class, because he knows the fans have been waiting for these for years.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Conspiracy Theory: Butch told the twins to hold off for a late signing day commitment. The last commitment/signings. The cherries on top of the class, because he knows the fans have been waiting for these for years.

I think this is an accurate theory.

There's a video on VQ from yesterday where Austin Price and Fortenberry are discussing recruits and the Berry's came up. Austin said he asked them at the UGA game when they were going to commit and they said not anytime soon. Austin said he feels like they want to be the last two commits this class but that he sees no way they aren't Vols.

And I've said it a few times I think Butch wants them to commit last as the final stamp on the Rise To The Top Legacy Class.

 

[VFL23]

Conspiracy Theory: Butch told the twins to hold off for a late signing day commitment. The last commitment/signings. The berrys on top of the class, because he knows the fans have been waiting for these for years.

Fyp

 

[VolGee4]

You're right, we won't be. It makes no sense to. This one would be a medical redshirt and he would still have a regular redshirt if needed.

I can't say that I know a whole lot about it, but I am pretty sure a medical redshirt is only awarded and allowed after the NCAA gets involved. Not every player has a medical redshirt and a regular redshirt. If Paulk redshirts next year, then it will be his redshirt year. Then, let's say he gets injured and is out for the year for his junior season, he can apply for a medical redshirt. But, it is not automatic.

 

[Voldirector11]

Any chance that Evan or Elliott will b a running back if we miss out on another Rb?

 

[LionPride]

Simple question then, why are they rated as 2 star athletes? Not saying stars mean everything but come on, they count for something. There has to be SOME reason why these guys aren't rated any higher. I could see them maxing out at maybe a low 3 star but it's not like they're going to shock the world and blow up to a 4 or 5 star by the end of the season.

Just to help you out, or anyone else that may be having a little trouble understanding college recruiting. And I'm not giving this information from a fans perspective. College coaches & programs could care less about the recruiting sites. 91% of college football programs have there own star rating or evaluating system. So what I'm saying is that, on their board Moseley may in fact be a high 4 star. Dews may in fact be a 4 star(which is how I see it). Unless you are a part of that staff you have no idea what that staff sees our believes in a potential prospect. And don't forget the #1 player taken in this years NFL draft was not on any major college radar, but Butch Jones had him as a 5 star when he recruited him. That's just a little insight into our world.

 

[roosterjbh]

Just to help you out, or anyone else that may be having a little trouble understanding college recruiting. And I'm not giving this information from a fans perspective. College coaches & programs could care less about the recruiting sites. 91% of college football programs have there own star rating or evaluating system. So what I'm saying is that, on their board Moseley may in fact be a high 4 star. Dews may in fact be a 4 star(which is how I see it). Unless you are a part of that staff you have no idea what that staff sees our believes in a potential prospect. And don't forget the #1 player taken in this years NFL draft was not on any major college radar, but Butch Jones had him as a 5 star when he recruited him. That's just a little insight into our world.

I have to ask where the 91% comes from lol

 

[vol2013]

I have to ask where the 91% comes from lol

97.23% of statistics are made up on the spot

 

[FTCvol]

Just to help you out, or anyone else that may be having a little trouble understanding college recruiting. And I'm not giving this information from a fans perspective. College coaches & programs could care less about the recruiting sites. 91% of college football programs have there own star rating or evaluating system. So what I'm saying is that, on their board Moseley may in fact be a high 4 star. Dews may in fact be a 4 star(which is how I see it). Unless you are a part of that staff you have no idea what that staff sees our believes in a potential prospect. And don't forget the #1 player taken in this years NFL draft was not on any major college radar, but Butch Jones had him as a 5 star when he recruited him. That's just a little insight into our world.

Seems legit. Thanks for the insight.

 

[reVOLving door]

I think this is an accurate theory.

There's a video on VQ from yesterday where Austin Price and Fortenberry are discussing recruits and the Berry's came up. Austin said he asked them at the UGA game when they were going to commit and they said not anytime soon. Austin said he feels like they want to be the last two commits this class but that he sees no way they aren't Vols.

And I've said it a few times I think Butch wants them to commit last as the final stamp on the Rise To The Top Legacy Class.

I woo-ed a little, again. You should be a motivational typist.

 

[Vol_sanity]

I think this is an accurate theory.

There's a video on VQ from yesterday where Austin Price and Fortenberry are discussing recruits and the Berry's came up. Austin said he asked them at the UGA game when they were going to commit and they said not anytime soon. Austin said he feels like they want to be the last two commits this class but that he sees no way they aren't Vols.

And I've said it a few times I think Butch wants them to commit last as the final stamp on the Rise To The Top Legacy Class.

I never thought about them being last commits on purpose. Not everyone has the personality to do what Vic, Kelly and Hurd & co. do on a daily basis, I dont think the Berry's are the type of guys to be out crutin on twitter. Makes sense that you let it build and when we get down to two spots left, BOOM, its done!! I like it, im gonna ride this until proven wrong!!

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Any chance that Evan or Elliott will b a running back if we miss out on another Rb?

Evan stated he wants the ball in his hands so more than likely he'll be a WR or a RB while Elliot plays defense.