’14 GA DB Evan Berry (UT Signee 2/5/14)

[WinginFlorida]

I have to ask where the 91% comes from lol

The actual figure is 90.78554266...he was lazy and didn't want to type it out, so it's a rounding thingy.

 

[Stevorino]

I'll have to admit, it would be badass if the Berry twins were the last two commits of the class. Damn what a badass class this is becoming.

 

[sammyjoey]

Evan stated he wants the ball in his hands so more than likely he'll be a WR or a RB while Elliot plays defense.

His older brother wanted the ball in his hands, too. He didn't switch positions. He just took the ball.

 

[CWGvol]

I can't say that I know a whole lot about it, but I am pretty sure a medical redshirt is only awarded and allowed after the NCAA gets involved. Not every player has a medical redshirt and a regular redshirt. If Paulk redshirts next year, then it will be his redshirt year. Then, let's say he gets injured and is out for the year for his junior season, he can apply for a medical redshirt. But, it is not automatic.

You're right with one addition. This year would be regular redshirt. However, if he was redshirted again later, then this one would be changed to a medical. So calling this one a redshirt would actually not be completely accurate. Also, yes the NCAA does get involved in medical redshirts but this one is a clear cut case. All you really have to prove is that it was a legit injury that caused you to miss the whole year.

 

[LionPride]

97.23% of statistics are made up on the spot

Its really 90. I added the 1 because I new you were out there somewhere in message board world.

 

[bigorange]

Just to help you out, or anyone else that may be having a little trouble understanding college recruiting. And I'm not giving this information from a fans perspective. College coaches & programs could care less about the recruiting sites. 91% of college football programs have there own star rating or evaluating system. So what I'm saying is that, on their board Moseley may in fact be a high 4 star. Dews may in fact be a 4 star(which is how I see it). Unless you are a part of that staff you have no idea what that staff sees our believes in a potential prospect. And don't forget the #1 player taken in this years NFL draft was not on any major college radar, but Butch Jones had him as a 5 star when he recruited him. That's just a little insight into our world.

Our world? Do you mind if I ask what you do? Just wondering.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

I can't say that I know a whole lot about it, but I am pretty sure a medical redshirt is only awarded and allowed after the NCAA gets involved. Not every player has a medical redshirt and a regular redshirt. If Paulk redshirts next year, then it will be his redshirt year. Then, let's say he gets injured and is out for the year for his junior season, he can apply for a medical redshirt. But, it is not automatic.

Yes, Paulk would not be awarded a medical redshirt based on an injury he sustained in high school. A college football player is eligible for a medical redshirt if he has played no more than 3 games (or it may be 30% of the regular season technically) prior to sustaining a season-ending injury.

In Paulk's case, the gray shirt scenario would seem to make the most sense; he could matriculate in January 2015 as an early enrollee of that class and have more time to heal without having to potentially use a redshirt for the 2014 season.

 

[VolGee4]

You're right with one addition. This year would be regular redshirt. However, if he was redshirted again later, then this one would be changed to a medical. So calling this one a redshirt would actually not be completely accurate. Also, yes the NCAA does get involved in medical redshirts but this one is a clear cut case. All you really have to prove is that it was a legit injury that caused you to miss the whole year.

But, I am not sure that he can redshirt another year just for the heck of it. I think he has to get injured again. I am not totally clear on that, but that is my understanding. Maybe I am wrong.

 

[LionPride]

Our world? Do you mind if I ask what you do? Just wondering.

Im a coach

 

[CWGvol]

Just to help you out, or anyone else that may be having a little trouble understanding college recruiting. And I'm not giving this information from a fans perspective. College coaches & programs could care less about the recruiting sites. 91% of college football programs have there own star rating or evaluating system. So what I'm saying is that, on their board Moseley may in fact be a high 4 star. Dews may in fact be a 4 star(which is how I see it). Unless you are a part of that staff you have no idea what that staff sees our believes in a potential prospect. And don't forget the #1 player taken in this years NFL draft was not on any major college radar, but Butch Jones had him as a 5 star when he recruited him. That's just a little insight into our world.

I wouldn't say they couldn't care less about the recruiting services. Especially recently since they have become way more accurate. No doubt their own evaluations trump everything else and the recruiting services miss sometimes. I think the fact that they pay so much for the recruiting services info and the fact that, by far, the coaches seem to agree with the services on who is best. The top classes every year are full of highly rated stars and its not a coincidence that the top coaches usually agree. So I think what you said is correct but I think it's a little more of both their eval and the services.

 

[CWGvol]

But, I am not sure that he can redshirt another year just for the heck of it. I think he has to get injured again. I am not totally clear on that, but that is my understanding. Maybe I am wrong.

No, he doesn't have to get injured again. It's designed to keep them from losing a year of eligibility due to injury, thats it. A regular redshirt is not affected by a medical one and can still be used. Lathers is the last one to do this I think, I'm not sure on that.

 

[vollygirl]

His older brother wanted the ball in his hands, too. He didn't switch positions. He just took the ball.

Gimme that ball Eli!

 

[LionPride]

I wouldn't say they couldn't care less about the recruiting services. Especially recently since they have become way more accurate. No doubt their own evaluations trump everything else and the recruiting services miss sometimes. I think the fact that they pay so much for the recruiting services info and the fact that, by far, the coaches seem to agree with the services on who is best. The top classes every year are full of highly rated stars and its not a coincidence that the top coaches usually agree. So I think what you said is correct but I think it's a little more of both their eval and the services.

That's a fair assessment. A coach may look at a prospect solely on a site's eval. In which case a recruiting site may be a useful tool as in the above scenario. However, most coaches must put eyes on the athlete first. That is why you will see coaches make statements like ''we will offer you if you come and camp''. And of course there are many other factors that are taken into account as well. And we should be very thankful that we have a '' look under the rock'' kind of coach.

 

[VolGee4]

No, he doesn't have to get injured again. It's designed to keep them from losing a year of eligibility due to injury, thats it. A regular redshirt is not affected by a medical one and can still be used. Lathers is the last one to do this I think, I'm not sure on that.

See Vrex's post above- that is the same thing I am saying. Lathers took a redshirt early and then got a medical redshirt later in his career. The medical will always come after the regular redshirt.

Again, I am not an expert on it, but I have never seen someone be able to a medical redshirt his first year and then take another one for the heck of it. You take your redshirt and then if you need a medical one later, you apply, and the NCAA approves it.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

I have conducted additional research on the matter and will have to amend my position as follows. The requirements for a medical redshirt differ slightly from conference to conference. According to this highly credible source (Medical Hardship/Disqualification), Paulk would, however, be eligible for one. "The medical hardship waiver can be requested to the appropriate conference or to the NCAA if the institution is an independent. The following situation must be met per NCAA rules: a) the incapacitating injury or illness occurs either during the senior year of high school or during one of the four seasons of intercollegiate competition, b) the injury or illness occurs prior to the first half of the playing season that concludes with the NCAA Championship in that sport, and c) the student-athlete has not participated in more than two contests or 20% of the scheduled contests (whichever is greater)."

Virginia Tech's guidelines for medical redshirts, which presumably reflect ACC mandates, are as follows:

(1) The student-athlete may not have participated in more than two contests or dates of competition or 20 percent of the team's completed contests/dates of competition.

(2) The injury or illness must occur prior to the completion of the first half of the season.

(3) The injury or illness does not have to occur during practice/competition, but it must be incapacitating (see Virginia Tech Department of Athletics).

Oklahoma's policy on the matter permits medical redshirts if an athlete "suffers an injury or illness that prevents them from finishing the current season. The injury must occur during the first half of the season, and the player can't have participated in more than three games (or 30 percent of the scheduled games, whichever is greater)" (How the NCAA allows medical exemptions | News OK).

Having said all of that, can anyone recall an instance in which we had an incoming freshman sustain a season-ending injury as a high school senior and then receive a medical redshirt for what otherwise would be his freshman season at UT? I can't recall such a precedent.

 

[VolGee4]

I have conducted additional research on the matter and will have to amend my position as follows. The requirements for a medical redshirt differ slightly from conference to conference. According to this highly credible source (Medical Hardship/Disqualification), Paulk would, however, be eligible for one. "The medical hardship waiver can be requested to the appropriate conference or to the NCAA if the institution is an independent. The following situation must be met per NCAA rules: a) the incapacitating injury or illness occurs either during the senior year of high school or during one of the four seasons of intercollegiate competition, b) the injury or illness occurs prior to the first half of the playing season that concludes with the NCAA Championship in that sport, and c) the student-athlete has not participated in more than two contests or 20% of the scheduled contests (whichever is greater)."

Virginia Tech's guidelines for medical redshirts, which presumably reflect ACC mandates, are as follows:

(1) The student-athlete may not have participated in more than two contests or dates of competition or 20 percent of the team's completed contests/dates of competition.

(2) The injury or illness must occur prior to the completion of the first half of the season.

(3) The injury or illness does not have to occur during practice/competition, but it must be incapacitating (see Virginia Tech Department of Athletics).

Oklahoma's policy on the matter permits medical redshirts if an athlete "suffers an injury or illness that prevents them from finishing the current season. The injury must occur during the first half of the season, and the player can't have participated in more than three games (or 30 percent of the scheduled games, whichever is greater)" (How the NCAA allows medical exemptions | News OK).

That's understandable. But, the question is if you use the redshirt your freshman year, can it be treated as a medical one and you still take a redshirt later without an injury? Maybe it hardly ever happens, but I am not sure I have ever seen it. You would have to get the NCAA to approve it beforehand because they take an extra year of eligibility seriously. It is not guaranteed.

 

[VolGee4]

I found this, unofficially, on a website:

"Athletes must keep in mind both the five-year clock and their four seasons of competition. Even if an athlete gets a medical hardship waiver, he or she needs to have time left on their five-year clock (10-semester/15-quarter clock in Divisions II and III) to use that season.

This is problematic for athletes took a normal redshirt season or sat out due to a transfer. An athlete can generally not use a medical redshirt in those cases unless they get a clock extension or sixth year waiver. To do that the athlete show they lost two seasons outside of his or her control. The medical redshirt would be one, but the athlete would still need to show another."

The NCAA basically gives you 5 years, and you have to show a good reason why you deserve a 6th. I don't think taking a regular redshirt later in a career without injury applies to this.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

That's understandable. But, the question is if you use the redshirt your freshman year, can it be treated as a medical one and you still take a redshirt later without an injury? Maybe it hardly ever happens, but I am not sure I have ever seen it. You would have to get the NCAA to approve it beforehand because they take an extra year of eligibility seriously. It is not guaranteed.

I don't know the answer to that question. Based on the sources I consulted, it looks like the presiding conference office makes the initial ruling and, then, if the request is denied, the player's school can appeal to the NCAA. My gut level hunch is that the NCAA would be more inclined to grant, under appropriate circumstances, a medical redshirt to a player who had already received a standard redshirt than they would be to grant an additional redshirt of the standard type to someone who had previously received a medical redshirt. It would seem that the latter scenario could potentially open a can of worms for unscrupulous coaches who wanted to further manipulate eligibility for competitive advantage.

 

[keckjm]

I found this, unofficially, on a website:

"Athletes must keep in mind both the five-year clock and their four seasons of competition. Even if an athlete gets a medical hardship waiver, he or she needs to have time left on their five-year clock (10-semester/15-quarter clock in Divisions II and III) to use that season.

This is problematic for athletes took a normal redshirt season or sat out due to a transfer. An athlete can generally not use a medical redshirt in those cases unless they get a clock extension or sixth year waiver. To do that the athlete show they lost two seasons outside of his or her control. The medical redshirt would be one, but the athlete would still need to show another."

The NCAA basically gives you 5 years, and you have to show a good reason why you deserve a 6th. I don't think taking a regular redshirt later in a career without injury applies to this.

So, in simple terms for those who don't want to read all this, if you medically redshirt your freshman year, you can't redshirt another year unless you have a valid excuse to get a grant for a six year. So, the best course of action then would be to just redshirt Paulk, that way if his knee does get hurt again he can medically redshirt later on and have two reasons as to why he sat at two whole years.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

I found this, unofficially, on a website:

"Athletes must keep in mind both the five-year clock and their four seasons of competition. Even if an athlete gets a medical hardship waiver, he or she needs to have time left on their five-year clock (10-semester/15-quarter clock in Divisions II and III) to use that season.

This is problematic for athletes took a normal redshirt season or sat out due to a transfer. An athlete can generally not use a medical redshirt in those cases unless they get a clock extension or sixth year waiver. To do that the athlete show they lost two seasons outside of his or her control. The medical redshirt would be one, but the athlete would still need to show another."

The NCAA basically gives you 5 years, and you have to show a good reason why you deserve a 6th. I don't think taking a regular redshirt later in a career without injury applies to this.

Yes, Jason White (Oklahoma) is a good example of this principle. He "suffered a back injury as a freshman and then had ACL tears in back-to-back seasons, allowing him to return for a sixth year, one season after winning the Heisman Trophy)" (How the NCAA allows medical exemptions | News OK).

 

[VolGee4]

So, in simple terms for those who don't want to read all this, if you medically redshirt your freshman year, you can't redshirt another year unless you have a valid excuse to get a grant for a six year. So, the best course of action then would be to just redshirt Paulk, that way if his knee does get hurt again he can medically redshirt later on and have two reasons as to why he sat at two whole years.

Correct.

However, there is also talk of grey shirting him, which would allow him to get around the first redshirt year. He would not be on campus until January of 2015, and he would save his redshirt. I don't know if the staff is really doing this.

 

[leeroyphi136]

Sooooo, any news on Evan Berry lately?

 

[keckjm]

Correct.

However, there is also talk of grey shirting him, which would allow him to get around the first redshirt year. He would not be on campus until January of 2015, and he would save his redshirt. I don't know if the staff is really doing this.

Cool beans man. Nice work on the info!

 

[BruinVol]

Im a coach

What level??

 

[Volunteer forever]

Sooooo, any news on Evan Berry lately?

Was thinking the same!