07 Bracketology

#26
#26
Lets look at UCONN's top scorers from last year:

1-Rudy Gay-15.2 PPG
2-Rashad Anderson-12.8 PPG
3-Marcus Williams-12.3 PPG
4-Denham Brown-10.7 PPG
5-Josh Boone-10.3 PPG
6-Milton Armstrong-9.7 PPG
7-Jeff Adrien-6.5 PPG
8-Marcus Johnson-3.8 PPG
9-Craig Austrie-3.3 PPG
10-Ed Nelson-3.2 PPG

Lets see. They lose their #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, and #10 scorers. That is 7 of their top 10 scorers. Of their top 10 scorers, they bring back
13.6 PPG. Wow, they had better hope their incoming class can come in and immediately impact. So lets see, UCONN is banking on their incoming class almost completely. We, at least, have some impact players coming back. We lost 3 players. Our starting PG(UCONN lost theirs as well), a backup wing, and our starting PF(being replaced by a better, more polished PF).
 
#27
#27
(hvwarrior58 @ Jun 22 said:
Either way, they both have to tune their game, as do the UT PGs. Any other arguments to be smacked? The two PGs in question have not played any more than the ones we recruited. POINT MOOT.
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Wiggins and Price have been full time point guards on elite AAU clubs. The UT guys have played a little bit there for lesser teams. My question would be simple, how many of the guys involved in this debate have you seen play live?
 
#28
#28
(hvwarrior58 @ Jun 22 said:
Lets look at UCONN's top scorers from last year:

1-Rudy Gay-15.2 PPG
2-Rashad Anderson-12.8 PPG
3-Marcus Williams-12.3 PPG
4-Denham Brown-10.7 PPG
5-Josh Boone-10.3 PPG
6-Milton Armstrong-9.7 PPG
7-Jeff Adrien-6.5 PPG
8-Marcus Johnson-3.8 PPG
9-Craig Austrie-3.3 PPG
10-Ed Nelson-3.2 PPG

Lets see. They lose their #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, and #10 scorers. That is 7 of their top 10 scorers. Of their top 10 scorers, they bring back
13.6 PPG. Wow, they had better hope their incoming class can come in and immediately impact. So lets see, UCONN is banking on their incoming class almost completely. We, at least, have some impact players coming back. We lost 3 players. Our starting PG(UCONN lost theirs as well), a backup wing, and our starting PF(being replaced by a better, more polished PF).
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Curtis Kelly will be one of the top 10 most productive freshmen. Stanley Robinson won't be far behind.
 
#29
#29
I've seen none of them live. How many of them have you seen play in college? Ummm, none, because they haven't played yet. Curtis Kelly and Robinson may, but Crews, Smith(if he qualifies), and Chism will as well. They don't have anyone coming back with the experience of a Lofton, or J Smith, or Bradshaw, or Wingate.
 
#30
#30
It doesn't matter. You have no argument that can explain why a team that returns 15 PPG should be deserving of a seed 4 spots higher than a team returning 45 PPG. Both have great classes that have immediate impact players. You are just arguing because Lunardi is one of your guys. So go ahead and spin that.
 
#31
#31
(hvwarrior58 @ Jun 22 said:
I've seen none of them live. How many of them have you seen play in college? Ummm, none, because they haven't played yet. Curtis Kelly and Robinson may, but Crews, Smith(if he qualifies), and Chism will as well. They don't have anyone coming back with the experience of a Lofton, or J Smith, or Bradshaw, or Wingate.
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Jeff Adrien and Marcus Johnson will be better all around players than any of the UT returnees you listed this year. People are going to find out very quickly how valuable CJ Watson was. He and Ronald Steele were the two players most indespensible to their teams last year. Kelly and Robinson will both put up better numbers than Chism and Smith, Crews will have comparable numbers.
 
#32
#32
Hmmm, neither have an experienced PG returning. UT has alot more production coming back. Both have big classes. UT has less holes to fill.
 
#33
#33
Your crazy if you think Adrien or Williams will have more of an impact than Lofton and Bradshaw brings more than stats.
 
#34
#34
(hvwarrior58 @ Jun 22 said:
It doesn't matter. You have no argument that can explain why a team that returns 15 PPG should be deserving of a seed 4 spots higher than a team returning 45 PPG. Both have great classes that have immediate impact players. You are just arguing because Lunardi is one of your guys. So go ahead and spin that.
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Not true. If you would pay attention to history, you would realize there's a better than average probability that Jeff Adrien and Marcus Johnson will both explode this year. Look at the UCONN track record for such things: Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton, Donyell Marshall, etc. All of those guys played supporting roles as freshman and went on to have huge sophomore years. Past performance is the predictor of future results.
 
#35
#35
(hatvol96 @ Jun 22 said:
Let's see. A team with no established point guard that will have at least 3 freshmen playing major minutes considered one of the 28 best teams in the country. Yeah, that's a real insult.
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That sounds alot like UCONN. What makes them 4 seeds higher? Don't keep bringing up the "this freshman will make a big impact" or "we don't have an impact PG" because UCONN is in the same boat.
 
#36
#36
(hvwarrior58 @ Jun 22 said:
Your crazy if you think Adrien or Williams will have more of an impact than Lofton and Bradshaw brings more than stats.
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I'll remember that when Adrien leads the Big East in rebounding and Johnson goes 15,5,5.
 
#38
#38
(hvwarrior58 @ Jun 22 said:
That sounds alot like UCONN. What makes them 4 seeds higher? Don't keep bringing up the "this freshman will make a big impact" or "we don't have an impact PG" because UCONN is in the same boat.
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OK how many D-I National Titles does Pearl have? Is he in the Hall of Fame? Has he been one of the dominant forces in a major conference for almost twenty years now? I'd say that the guy on the sideline(who I personally detest)for the Huskies has a great deal to do with their ranking.
 
#39
#39
Past performance of a particular player might be a good predictor of future performance but not a position. If that were the case would we base our expectations for Eric Ainge this year on Peyton Manning's third year or Steve Alatorre's.
 
#40
#40
(hvwarrior58 @ Jun 22 said:
Last time I checked, history doesn't win games.
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I'll remeber that the next time you bring up Fulmer's past winning percentage.
 
#41
#41
Your right. That'll make up for the 60 points lost and 35 rebounds lost off of last year's squad. I feel a little safer with UT's chances of proving Lunardi wrong than UCONN proving him right. On one hand, a team is banking on freshmen and 2 guys having breakout years(hmmm, Josh Boone?). And on the other, we are hoping for our freshmen to have a big impact, but have backup plans if they don't do as much as expected.
 
#42
#42
Football season is looming on the horizon as the REAL passion of us all and we're beaatching about basketball bracketing? WTF?? :snoring:
 
#44
#44
(volinasheville @ Jun 22 said:
Past performance of a particular player might be a good predictor of future performance but not a position. If that were the case would we base our expectations for Eric Ainge this year on Peyton Manning's third year or Steve Alatorre's.
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If there was continuity of talent and coaching, you could. At UCONN, it works simply. Great player comes in, plays a supporting role, then explodes. It's a beautiful lineage:Donyell Marshall-Ray Allen-Caron Butler-Emeka Okafor. Rudy Gay didn't make a similar jump because their team this year was too balanced to allow one guy massive numbers.
 
#45
#45
(hmanvolfan @ Jun 22 said:
Football season is looming on the horizon as the REAL passion of us all and we're beaatching about basketball bracketing? WTF?? :snoring:
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Not all of us. Football is merely something to get me from the NBA Finals to the tip off of the next season.
 
#46
#46
Just go ahead and admit it, if this wasn't one of "hat's analysts" you wouldn't be arguing. It'd be another poor poll/prediction. I won't hold it against you. Go ahead and throw your bias to the side for 1 moment.
 
#47
#47
still no way they should be considerd a 4 seed and you know it. Don't try to argue it, they will be smoked in big east play.
 
#48
#48
(hvwarrior58 @ Jun 22 said:
So does that mean you'd give the edge to JoePa over Mark Richt?
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If Joe Pa had won the National Championship two years ago, yes.
 
#49
#49
(vols2345 @ Jun 22 said:
still no way they should be considerd a 4 seed and you know it. Don't try to argue it, they will be smoked in big east play.
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No they won't. Please tell me who in the Big East will be much better than they are.
 
#50
#50
You really disappointed me this time hat. You usually bring a decent argument. This time was just a big runaround.
 
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