10 a year mill for saban

#26
#26
I definitely think that if Jones turns out to be an 8-4 type coach, which I think is a pretty good bet, it'll be hard to fire him in four or five years because of the "at least we're playing in bowl games again!" factor. We're close to people thinking that just playing in a bowl game is good enough.

No doubt. For the first time, I've stopped wondering "when?" and started wondering "if?" Tennessee will be back. It's depressing.
 
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#27
#27
Alabama will be giving Nick a huge raise, maybe up to $7-8 million to lock him up for 10 more years of titles.
 
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I definitely think that if Jones turns out to be an 8-4 type coach, which I think is a pretty good bet, it'll be hard to fire him in four or five years because of the "at least we're playing in bowl games again!" factor. We're close to people thinking that just playing in a bowl game is good enough.

something i've said over and over mainly through the gruden saga was there is nothing wrong with bringing in a coach who is going to go 8-4 to 10-2 and then bring in the home run hire rather than going for the HR when you're coming off a few bad seasons. UM i believe is going that directions, i hope brady hoke brings them back to the promise land but from where they were they needed a solid hire more so than a HR to bring them all the way back right away. UT will be just fine under butch jones but honestly as long as saban is in town there will only be one or two teams that really challenge him for a NC, which judging by past history isn't going to be anyone outside of the SEC
 
#29
#29
I definitely think that if Jones turns out to be an 8-4 type coach, which I think is a pretty good bet, it'll be hard to fire him in four or five years because of the "at least we're playing in bowl games again!" factor. We're close to people thinking that just playing in a bowl game is good enough.

And on the flip side 8-4 equals to 66%. Which if I remember correctly that's just a notch lower than our average winning percentage. It will be hard to fire him at 8-4 because, historically, it is right around our mark. And, most importantly, because our fans have literally come to expect less since the SEC and NCAA1 started to become more competitive. This is the SEC and NCAA changing, becoming more competitive, and Tennessee's rather slow rise to be a big player in the SEC. Tennessee will be back, but it may be a while. Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama may be the new heads of the SEC. But we will have to see. SEC always has it's surprises (see TEX AM, Vanderbilt).

All I'm saying it some of us here should wake up and realize that 8-4 is back to the norm. And 10-2 in quite unusual, historically speaking.
 
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And on the flip side 8-4 equals to 66%. Which if I remember correctly that's just a notch lower than our average winning percentage. It will be hard to fire him at 8-4 because, historically, it is right around our mark. And, most importantly, because our fans have literally come to expect less since the SEC and NCAA1 started to become more competitive. This is the SEC and NCAA changing, becoming more competitive, and Tennessee's rather slow rise to be a big player in the SEC. Tennessee will be back, but it may be a while. Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama may be the new heads of the SEC. But we will have to see. SEC always has it's surprises (see TEX AM, Vanderbilt).

All I'm saying it some of us here should wake up and realize that 8-4 is back to the norm. And 10-2 in quite unusual, historically speaking.


This is just sad.

Here's another way of looking at this. Historically, Tennessee is the second best team in the SEC. Next year, Tennessee will be the second SEC team to win 800 games.

If Tennessee is happy with 8-4, they should let all the fans know Tennessee has no intention of remaining competitive with it's rivals. Furthermore, Tennessee should stop spending money on facilities and cut back on it's recruiting budget.
 
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This is just sad.

Here's another way of looking at this. Historically, Tennessee is the second best team in the SEC. Next year, Tennessee will be the second SEC team to win 800 games.

If Tennessee is happy with 8-4, they should let all the fans know Tennessee has no intention of remaining competitive with it's rivals. Furthermore, Tennessee should stop spending money on facilities and cut back on it's recruiting budget.

i know you want and expect more but as a rational fan would you not be happy with 8-4 next season after the dooley experiment?

disclaimer: not trashing UT just trying to be sensical
 
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i know you want and expect more but as a rational fan would you not be happy with 8-4 next season after the dooley experiment?

disclaimer: not trashing UT just trying to be sensical

8-4 next year would be fine. That's not what I'm worried about.
 
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This is just sad.

Here's another way of looking at this. Historically, Tennessee is the second best team in the SEC. Next year, Tennessee will be the second SEC team to win 800 games.

If Tennessee is happy with 8-4, they should let all the fans know Tennessee has no intention of remaining competitive with it's rivals. Furthermore, Tennessee should stop spending money on facilities and cut back on it's recruiting budget.

We see it differently. Im saying the SEC and NCAA has taken a step up and Tennessee has taken two steps back with scheme and coaching changes. 8-4 would not be bad and, historically, not far off the mark.

And as sad as it is, it is just my perception. We both hope for the same thing my friend, I guarantee you. :good!:
 
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8-4 next year would be fine. That's not what I'm worried about.

gotcha. i just see so much that resembled the UM meltdown after Rich Rod left town. it goes back to the old saying of having to crawl before you can walk. UM has had a couple of successful seasons in comparison to what had been and the recruits are starting to come back. tradition and history always mean a lot but we had to come back to somewhat relevance for a couple of years before tradition and history started to mean anything again. UT will be fine, it's just going to take a couple of years before you guys are back to where you belong
 
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gotcha. i just see so much that resembled the UM meltdown after Rich Rod left town. it goes back to the old saying of having to crawl before you can walk. UM has had a couple of successful seasons in comparison to what had been and the recruits are starting to come back. tradition and history always mean a lot but we had to come back to somewhat relevance for a couple of years before tradition and history started to mean anything again. UT will be fine, it's just going to take a couple of years before you guys are back to where you belong

It may take a lot longer than that.
 
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My God Auburn hired the HC at Arkansas State, Arkansas the HC of a very average Wisconsin team that didn't deserve to be anywhere near the Rose Bowl, Kentucky hired a DC that has never been a HC. I don't see anyone hiring all these so called can't miss big name coaches everyone speaks of. Some people just can't help but ***** and moan even if it makes no sense.
 
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And on the flip side 8-4 equals to 66%. Which if I remember correctly that's just a notch lower than our average winning percentage. It will be hard to fire him at 8-4 because, historically, it is right around our mark. And, most importantly, because our fans have literally come to expect less since the SEC and NCAA1 started to become more competitive. This is the SEC and NCAA changing, becoming more competitive, and Tennessee's rather slow rise to be a big player in the SEC. Tennessee will be back, but it may be a while. Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama may be the new heads of the SEC. But we will have to see. SEC always has it's surprises (see TEX AM, Vanderbilt).

All I'm saying it some of us here should wake up and realize that 8-4 is back to the norm. And 10-2 in quite unusual, historically speaking.

This comparison to our historical record would be a lot more relevant if the vast majority of that record hadn't been compiled under 10- and 11-game schedules. The 12-game, cupcake-heavy schedule changes everything about that math. Nowadays we start off most years with four creampuffs plus Kentucky and Vandy. That (should) get you to six wins right there. You're saying that going 2-4 against the rest of the schedule is acceptable?

I expect us to be around our all-time winning percentage in conference play instead, which is almost 70 percent, and which means we should expect to be 6-2/5-3 in conference or better. I expect us to compete most years for the division. I expect us to win it some years. I don't think I'm unreasonable.
 
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$20 million and we could get Saban and Gruden. Come on now. Think big.
Or we can just wait for the Butchslapping to begin. I say go Butch.

+1 to you. I am happy with Butch. He is showing he can recruit. He knows how to coach as shown by his last two stops. And I know he was coaching in the MAC and the Big East at Central Michigan and Cincinnati respectively. But he was coaching that talent level. He won with that talent and I believe he can win with our SEC talent. I'm all in for Butchslapping all the SEC-east teams next year. GBO!!
 
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i know you want and expect more but as a rational fan would you not be happy with 8-4 next season after the dooley experiment?

disclaimer: not trashing UT just trying to be sensical

I'd be thrilled with 8-4 next year. But what about four years from now? At some point the fans will get to where they're just happy to be playing in a bowl game every year again, and they no longer expect to be able to compete with Georgia and Florida and Alabama anymore anyway, and boy the tailgating is still great, and then you're Minnesota.
 
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I'd be thrilled with 8-4 next year. But what about four years from now? At some point the fans will get to where they're just happy to be playing in a bowl game every year again, and they no longer expect to be able to compete with Georgia and Florida and Alabama anymore anyway, and boy the tailgating is still great, and then you're Minnesota.

the beauty of it all is it's unknown. sure there may be some that are happy with 8-4 in four years from now but all the Vol fans i know personally won't be happy with that. every year that is anything less than a NC is a let down i get that but i don't doubt you guys will at the least be contending for the east if not the whole SEC before too much longer. when you guys can compete with anyone in the SEC there will be a lot more close games and the cycle goes to: lose big, lose close, win close and then win big. it's a cycle a lot of teams go through in a time of rebuilding.
 
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the beauty of it all is it's unknown. sure there may be some that are happy with 8-4 in four years from now but all the Vol fans i know personally won't be happy with that. every year that is anything less than a NC is a let down i get that but i don't doubt you guys will at the least be contending for the east if not the whole SEC before too much longer. when you guys can compete with anyone in the SEC there will be a lot more close games and the cycle goes to: lose big, lose close, win close and then win big. it's a cycle a lot of teams go through in a time of rebuilding.

Minnesota's been in their time of rebuilding for 50 years. Sometimes it's not a cycle. We're in a conference full of teams with vastly better recruiting bases than we do; becoming a permanent has-been is a legitimate risk.

Come back to this board in four or five years if Jones is finishing middle of the pack in the SEC. Overwhelming sentiment will be that he's doing a good job and he loves UT and remember how awful it was under Dooley. The minority who will want to cut bait and move on will be called miserable aholes and terrible fans.
 
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Minnesota's been in their time of rebuilding for 50 years. Sometimes it's not a cycle. We're in a conference full of teams with vastly better recruiting bases than we do; becoming a permanent has-been is a legitimate risk.

Come back to this board in four or five years if Jones is finishing middle of the pack in the SEC. Overwhelming sentiment will be that he's doing a good job and he loves UT and remember how awful it was under Dooley. The minority who will want to cut bait and move on will be called miserable aholes and terrible fans.

yea but comparing UT to Minnesota is like comparing (insert favorite beautiful actress) to a tranny who hangs out behind the waffle house on tuesday night
 
#45
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If we would offer saban 10 million with a 3 million assistant salary pool we would get a championship in 4 years. you can shoot me down and it is a crazy amount of money but hes a speacial coach.

Now back in reality I support Butch 100% and think we will do fine, and maby win the east, but goodness. Its not really about them beat ND that was expected. Its the 3 championships in 4 years that makes me think we will never beat bama with him coaching there without bama having a bad game.

Well Hamilton should of offered Saban 5 million a year when he let Fulmer go. That is where this mess all started. Fulmer should of been fired. But the hire right after it was so big. We went the wrong way and Alabama went the right way.
 
#47
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alabama will be dominating the SEC for years with saban. Maybe the other 13 SEC schools can each put in $2 million and give the $26 million to Nick to take an NFL job.
 
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#48
Minnesota's been in their time of rebuilding for 50 years. Sometimes it's not a cycle. We're in a conference full of teams with vastly better recruiting bases than we do; becoming a permanent has-been is a legitimate risk.

Come back to this board in four or five years if Jones is finishing middle of the pack in the SEC. Overwhelming sentiment will be that he's doing a good job and he loves UT and remember how awful it was under Dooley. The minority who will want to cut bait and move on will be called miserable aholes and terrible fans.

Great conversation y'all r having. And I agree with you and my biggest concern as well. If we r stuck in the middle of the pack in a few yrs i will be wondering what would it been like if we would have not gotten inpatient and let Dooley get his his plan in place. IMO the guy wasn't given the chance to get on solid ground before he was run off, so tough to say his time here was a disaster due to him not just due to the low levels this program has reached.
 
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#49
Great conversation y'all r having. And I agree with you and my biggest concern as well. If we r stuck in the middle of the pack in a few yrs i will be wondering what would it been like if we would have not gotten inpatient and let Dooley get his his plan in place. IMO the guy wasn't given the chance to get on solid ground before he was run off, so tough to say his time here was a disaster due to him not just due to the low levels this program has reached.

You are insane if you think Dooley was, or was ever going to be the answer here.
 
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alabama will be dominating the SEC for years with saban. Maybe the other 13 SEC schools can each put in $2 million and give the $26 million to Nick to take an NFL job.

Saban will be making a hefty salary coaching from the comfort of his little rascal chair when he gets old. It doesn't matter what offers he gets, Bama will always be able to cough up the dough to keep him. Lets start kicking tails as we climb the SEC ladder. I believe!!!! The heck with Bama.
 

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