10 year show cause/NCAA, Tyndall discussion (merged)

No, I'm just honestly curious. I haven't even been one to argue with you that much as others. I'm not as invested in the UT coaching fiasco.

But you and the others have spent way too long arguing over Cuonzo, Donnie, and Barnes...and I'm wondering if you actually enjoy doing it? Because you've been gnawing on the same bone for soooooo long.

Well, people keep spreading rumors that they cannot prove and those who have never been here before deserve to hear those rebuked.

Tony Basilio has a daily radio show in Knoxville and he visits this subject over and over in one form or another. I imagine that is what the world has come to, but I do respect you for not being vicious and for showing some class.

I hope that you enjoy the upcoming bb season, however, I do not believe that Tennessee fans are gonna be all that pleased. I think that it is gonna take a miracle to change that possibility.
 
Buzz and SeniorDrill to Starship Enterprise. Beam us home, Scotty!

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maybe DT can get a job here
 
Tbh, I really think most didn't mind DT and at first hated to see him go. A lot of people saw some potential, but there were definite rough spots in the defensive scheme. Since he's been gone, I really feel like people turned on DT not just for the allegations, but for how he is blindly defended. It's gotten to the point where it seems SD/Buzz enjoys goading the board and many posters enjoy their own witty comebacks. I won't lie. It is entertaining, but some days tiring.
 
I go back and forth about whether I feel bad about laughing at SD so much. I appreciate his entrainment like a good Maury Povich episode. But I am almost certain I am laughing at a mentally slow person and that makes me feel bad. It's the same reason I had to put Dallas and Tony on ignore because I felt bad about laughing at them.
 
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Tbh, I really think most didn't mind DT and at first hated to see him go. A lot of people saw some potential, but there were definite rough spots in the defensive scheme. Since he's been gone, I really feel like people turned on DT not just for the allegations, but for how he is blindly defended. It's gotten to the point where it seems SD/Buzz enjoys goading the board and many posters enjoy their own witty comebacks. I won't lie. It is entertaining, but some days tiring.

CDT's defense looked great versus the mid-majors in the pre-conference part of the schedule. But around January when it was utilized against the big dollar SEC programs, that defense really lost it's luster. SEC players can make 3s and Donnie Ball required the outside shooters to miss a lot of shots. SEC coaches had it figured out after there was a little bit of video to analyze. Teams that could put a couple of accurate shooters in the corners shredded Donnie's defense. It was fun to watch through December. It got kind of painful to watch after that. But don't stop believing BuzzDrill.
 
Tbh, I really think most didn't mind DT and at first hated to see him go. A lot of people saw some potential, but there were definite rough spots in the defensive scheme. Since he's been gone, I really feel like people turned on DT not just for the allegations, but for how he is blindly defended. It's gotten to the point where it seems SD/Buzz enjoys goading the board and many posters enjoy their own witty comebacks. I won't lie. It is entertaining, but some days tiring.

Your post here seems reasonable to me. I guess the purpose of those who link me and Senior Drill do so because we saw and still see the good that he brought to our program. We both felt as though he was gonna send our fortunes zooming upward in a similar fashion as Ray Mears and Bruce Pearl did.

I have plenty to say about the current investigation. The only thing that I am aware of is that Tyndall fired Adam Howard after the news of the events at S Miss first surfaced. From this, I take it that Donnie was as shocked as most of us UT fans were. I believe that his phone calls and text messages came about due to the fact that he was seeking information as to what had taken place. I also believe that AH failed to cooperate with the COI due to the fact that anything that he would say would incriminate himself. It seems odd that he was willing to open up after he realized that he was off the hook and maybe he made Tyndall the fall guy as to get him back for being fired. We fans are still in the dark as to what the truth really is.

Academic fraud did occur because of the impending evidence, but it seems more like a he said/he said confrontation. Only thing here is that one has everything to lose and the other has nothing to lose. This doesn't sound like justice to me. Howard admitted fraud and then blamed Tyndall for orchestrating it. I believe that this is what the committee wanted to hear and they closed their investigation at that point.

Those who hate Tyndall are not concerned with the evidence, they just want to go along with the COI as though a thorough investigation took place and that, to them, is the end of the story.

Looking at it in that respect says to me that justice has yet to be served. Unless the committee can come up with something else that implicates Donnie, then the COI 's actions were wrong and may be criminal.
 
So what? "Yeah, sure, if there's an opening, I'll take it. That'll save your department money on a search firm and lengthy process. But of course you'd have to have an opening."

There's nothing incriminating about that whatsoever. You have nothing in regards to Barnes saying "Fire him and give it to me", which is what you're implying through all this garbage spewing from your mouth.

Pure conjecture on your part! SeniorDrill used the terms "may" and "could be lying" which neither emphatically says that that is what is gonna happen. He didn't assume anything.

However, Barnes was in a depressive state since he held a press conference to vent his emotions after losing his job of 17 years.

Hart, jumping on this event like finding out that he had just won "The Publisher's Clearinghouse Sweepstakes", does cause reason for concern.

It seems extremely odd that (1) Barnes gets fired, (2) Hart goes to talk to the NCAA COI, (3) Tyndall gets fired, and (4) Hart announces that he has hired Barnes to replace Tyndall after having said that he would hire a search committee to fill the UT vacancy. DUH!
 
Pure conjecture on your part! SeniorDrill used the terms "may" and "could be lying" which neither emphatically says that that is what is gonna happen. He didn't assume anything.

However, Barnes was in a depressive state since he held a press conference to vent his emotions after losing his job of 17 years.

Hart, jumping on this event like finding out that he had just won "The Publisher's Clearinghouse Sweepstakes", does cause reason for concern.

It seems extremely odd that (1) Barnes gets fired, (2) Hart goes to talk to the NCAA COI, (3) Tyndall gets fired, and (4) Hart announces that he has hired Barnes to replace Tyndall after having said that he would hire a search committee to fill the UT vacancy. DUH!

Yeah, except Tyndall was fired before Barnes. But, that pokes a huge hole in your argument, so you ignore that fact.
 
Pure conjecture on your part! SeniorDrill used the terms "may" and "could be lying" which neither emphatically says that that is what is gonna happen. He didn't assume anything.

However, Barnes was in a depressive state since he held a press conference to vent his emotions after losing his job of 17 years.

Hart, jumping on this event like finding out that he had just won "The Publisher's Clearinghouse Sweepstakes", does cause reason for concern.

It seems extremely odd that (1) Barnes gets fired, (2) Hart goes to talk to the NCAA COI, (3) Tyndall gets fired, and (4) Hart announces that he has hired Barnes to replace Tyndall after having said that he would hire a search committee to fill the UT vacancy. DUH!

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Tyndall was fired on Friday, Barnes Saturday. So, that "timeline" you slurped up from SD is incorrect. But keep trying. It's entertaining.
 
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In my opinion, if Dave Hart had not gone to the NCAA to find out what they thought they had on DT, based on the evidence that cleared him 100 percent in his hearing, he would still be our coach. They never thought in a million years that he would come back and fire him the next day. That put their butt straight in the crosshairs for a liable suit and they had to find a way to cover it up. Remember the cover-up is worse than the crime and they botched it with the 10 year show cause. Dave Hart made just as bad a decision when he fired Donnie Tyndall as he did a good decision when he hired Butch Jones. That is gonna be his legacy when all is said and done. One totally neutralizes the other. It very well could be the reason he is no longer the AD. DT has a great deal of support from significant UT boosters in spite of the rants of some. There is a lot that has gone on behind the scenes. Ask yourself, why else did he step down? His press conference certainly didn't give the body language of being voluntary.
 
Your post here seems reasonable to me. I guess the purpose of those who link me and Senior Drill do so because we saw and still see the good that he brought to our program. We both felt as though he was gonna send our fortunes zooming upward in a similar fashion as Ray Mears and Bruce Pearl did.

I have plenty to say about the current investigation. The only thing that I am aware of is that Tyndall fired Adam Howard after the news of the events at S Miss first surfaced. From this, I take it that Donnie was as shocked as most of us UT fans were. I believe that his phone calls and text messages came about due to the fact that he was seeking information as to what had taken place. I also believe that AH failed to cooperate with the COI due to the fact that anything that he would say would incriminate himself. It seems odd that he was willing to open up after he realized that he was off the hook and maybe he made Tyndall the fall guy as to get him back for being fired. We fans are still in the dark as to what the truth really is.

Academic fraud did occur because of the impending evidence, but it seems more like a he said/he said confrontation. Only thing here is that one has everything to lose and the other has nothing to lose. This doesn't sound like justice to me. Howard admitted fraud and then blamed Tyndall for orchestrating it. I believe that this is what the committee wanted to hear and they closed their investigation at that point.

Those who hate Tyndall are not concerned with the evidence, they just want to go along with the COI as though a thorough investigation took place and that, to them, is the end of the story.

Looking at it in that respect says to me that justice has yet to be served. Unless the committee can come up with something else that implicates Donnie, then the COI 's actions were wrong and may be criminal.

Most of the incarcerated population will tell you they are innocent. that's Tyndall's strategy. Just keep denying.
U 2 guys either haven't read the evidence that has been gathered or u just accept Tyndall's defense and deny.
U really have to be intentionally obtuse to not realize tyndall was too involved to not know what was going on.
 
CDT's defense looked great versus the mid-majors in the pre-conference part of the schedule. But around January when it was utilized against the big dollar SEC programs, that defense really lost it's luster. SEC players can make 3s and Donnie Ball required the outside shooters to miss a lot of shots. SEC coaches had it figured out after there was a little bit of video to analyze. Teams that could put a couple of accurate shooters in the corners shredded Donnie's defense. It was fun to watch through December. It got kind of painful to watch after that. But don't stop believing BuzzDrill.
That is total baloney. DT took that defense and won SEC road games at LSU, Vanderbilt, Missouri, South Carolina, and Mississippi State in spite of the home cooking that occurs universally on SEC home courts. RB managed only a win at Mississippi State. Two of those wins occurred in February not to mention a two point loss at Ole Miss in that month.
 
Most of the incarcerated population will tell you they are innocent. that's Tyndall's strategy. Just keep denying.
U 2 guys either haven't read the evidence that has been gathered or u just accept Tyndall's defense and deny.
U really have to be intentionally obtuse to not realize tyndall was too involved to not know what was going on.

You don't convict anyone based on circumstantial evidence! Certainly, you have enough intelligence to know this. Don't you?

Speaking of those who say they are innocent, even though they ended up being incarcerated for years, have been shown to be telling the truth thanks to forensic science developments.

I bet that if you, or someone you care about, were to be convicted on evidence that had not been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you too would yell like a stuck pig.
 
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That is total baloney. DT took that defense and won SEC road games at LSU, Vanderbilt, Missouri, South Carolina, and Mississippi State in spite of the home cooking that occurs universally on SEC home courts. RB managed only a win at Mississippi State. Two of those wins occurred in February not to mention a two point loss at Ole Miss in that month.

That defense also lost at home to South Carolina, LSU, Mississippi State, and Vanderbilt. So that's a complete wash.
 
You don't convict anyone based on circumstantial evidence!

Speaking of those who say they are innocent, even though they ended up being incarcerated for years, have been shown to be telling the truth thanks to forensic science developments.

I bet that if you, or someone you care about, were to be convicted on evidence that had not been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you too would yell like a stuck pig.

People are convicted every day on circumstantial evidence. what fairy tale world do you live in?
What's the number of innocents being cleared. a tenth of one percent or less?
I have close family members that are incarcerated. i yelled like a stuck pig even knowing they were guilty.
 
People are convicted every day on circumstantial evidence. what fairy tale world do you live in?
What's the number of innocents being cleared. a tenth of one percent or less?
I have close family members that are incarcerated. i yelled like a stuck pig even knowing they were guilty.

If that occurs, then they need a lawyer who files an appeal. Jurists also have to be accountable for their decision if this is the case and some have been known to be disbarred.

Again, if you were falsely convicted, would you go like a meek lamb and pay a debt that you knew you did not owe?

You've already made your prejudicial decision about CDT, therefore proving that you are close-minded.

If conclusive evidence can be produced and it is tangible, then I will believe that he is guilty of orchestrating academic fraud. But without it, he is innocent! What prevents you from remaining open-minded?
 
If that occurs, then they need a lawyer who files an appeal. Jurists also have to be accountable for their decision if this is the case and some have been known to be disbarred.

Again, if you were falsely convicted, would you go like a meek lamb and pay a debt that you knew you did not owe?

You've already made your prejudicial decision about CDT, therefore proving that you are close-minded.

If conclusive evidence can be produced and it is tangible, then I will believe that he is guilty of orchestrating academic fraud. But without it, he is innocent! What prevents you from remaining open-minded?
Reading the evidence. I believe you are the one with the closed mind.
 
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Pure conjecture on your part! SeniorDrill used the terms "may" and "could be lying" which neither emphatically says that that is what is gonna happen. He didn't assume anything.

However, Barnes was in a depressive state since he held a press conference to vent his emotions after losing his job of 17 years.

Hart, jumping on this event like finding out that he had just won "The Publisher's Clearinghouse Sweepstakes", does cause reason for concern.

It seems extremely odd that (1) Barnes gets fired, (2) Hart goes to talk to the NCAA COI, (3) Tyndall gets fired, and (4) Hart announces that he has hired Barnes to replace Tyndall after having said that he would hire a search committee to fill the UT vacancy. DUH!

Ignoring the evidence on this, are we? Proven wrong, so we're just going to act like it never happened?
 
What evidence did you read that shows that you are open-minded?

Note to wbt16: uncle!

Good Lord man.
I believe the accusers. You believe the liar.
You explain away the evidence. i accept it as true.
We'll see what happens in a few more months.
 
Reading the evidence. I believe you are the one with the closed mind.

I'll check back later to see if you found the evidence to prove Tyndall guilty, other than Adam Howard's testimony which was opposite of what he had said on 2 prior occasions.

If you can't show what you said that you have read, then you must be AH's clone! Also, you would be the one with the closed mind!

THE ACCUSER IS THE LIAR! So you believe the liar; how sad.
 
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Good Lord man.
I believe the accusers. You believe the liar.
You explain away the evidence. i accept it as true.
We'll see what happens in a few more months.

There is a saying, "the more a lie is told; the more it becomes the truth". You've been listening to too many people repeating Adam Howard's lie.

Get a grip on yourself.
 
There is a saying, "the more a lie is told; the more it becomes the truth". You've been listening to too many people repeating Adam Howard's lie.

Get a grip on yourself.
No. I read this. You should try it. You can write it all off as coincidence and misunderstanding. What is sad is that you are so gullible to believe a 2 time loser.

Who hired his assistants? Did they force their way onto his staff?
it was just a coincidence that they all belonged to this so called Fraud Inc. What a joke.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/30745520...ie-Tyndal-Southern-Miss#fullscreen&from_embed
 

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