11 wins vacated

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pimo1 said:
What I found interesting from all the fallout that's not being mentioned a lot was Pruitt's role in all this. He basically made a plea to the NCAA to do whatever to him just don't punish the current players. Whatever his motivations for that were that's a decent move.
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When it comes to actually caring about his players, Pruitt isn't a bad human being, just a corrupt one.
 
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It doesn’t really matter does it? We played the games, we won the games. They can say we didn’t but we did. It’s in the past. I think because we were very proactive, we got off with very little punishment going forward. If we didn’t have cornbread then, we wouldn’t have Heupel now. So we are actually better off for the experience.
 
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JohnWardForever said:
HUH??
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yeah it really happened

"Here's the other thing Jeremy Pruitt did," said Hubbs. "At the hearing in Cincinnati on the last day, when they wrap things up, he stood up to that committee as they were finishing up and he said to them -- I've talked to multiple people who confirm this -- he said to them, 'Guys you do whatever you need to do, but there is no reason in the world that the current players on that football team should be punished in any way, shape or form. They didn't have anything to do with any of this. They do not deserve a postseason ban. They should be able to go play for a championship if they can earn that right. They do not deserve to be punished for this'. And he absolutely stood up and said that after being drug through the mud for 18 and a half hours over a two day span."
from https://atozsports.com/nashville/tennessee-vols-football-respect-for-jeremy-pruitt-announced/

Kinda wild stuff
 
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pimo1 said:
yeah it really happened

"Here's the other thing Jeremy Pruitt did," said Hubbs. "At the hearing in Cincinnati on the last day, when they wrap things up, he stood up to that committee as they were finishing up and he said to them -- I've talked to multiple people who confirm this -- he said to them, 'Guys you do whatever you need to do, but there is no reason in the world that the current players on that football team should be punished in any way, shape or form. They didn't have anything to do with any of this. They do not deserve a postseason ban. They should be able to go play for a championship if they can earn that right. They do not deserve to be punished for this'. And he absolutely stood up and said that after being drug through the mud for 18 and a half hours over a two day span."
from https://atozsports.com/nashville/tennessee-vols-football-respect-for-jeremy-pruitt-announced/

Kinda wild stuff
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He read a statement his lawyer prepared. Yawn...
 
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Special Ed said:
So do the teams we beat get to vacate the losses?
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no the other team still has the L we just don't get the win its not like a forfeit.
In American college athletics, a vacated victory is a win that the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) has stripped from an athletic team, usually as punishment for misconduct related to their sports programs. The team being punished is officially stripped of its victory, but the opposing team retains its loss—thus, vacated victories are different from forfeits, in which the losing team is given the win. The practice of vacating victories has been criticized by players and sports journalists, but remains one of the NCAA's preferred penalties for infractions related to past misconduct.[2] Over 160 college football teams and 270 college basketball teams[nb 1] have had wins vacated.[3]

I actually think vacating a win is fairer to all involved in this type of situation. The team that 'cheated' does not deserve the win and neither do the losers.
 
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pimo1 said:
but he did it....he took the high road. why can't we?
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He did it in an attempt to appear contrite to lessen his punishment. It's standard operating procedure for coaches in his situation. Calipari said something similar when Memphis was in front of NCAA for DRose...

He will be judged by his actions, not his (i.e, his lawyers) words....
 
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pimo1 said:
What I found interesting from all the fallout that's not being mentioned a lot was Pruitt's role in all this. He basically made a plea to the NCAA to do whatever to him just don't punish the current players. Whatever his motivations for that were that's a decent move.
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He is still trying to sell that Orange Felt pool table.
 
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pimo1 said:
yeah it really happened

"Here's the other thing Jeremy Pruitt did," said Hubbs. "At the hearing in Cincinnati on the last day, when they wrap things up, he stood up to that committee as they were finishing up and he said to them -- I've talked to multiple people who confirm this -- he said to them, 'Guys you do whatever you need to do, but there is no reason in the world that the current players on that football team should be punished in any way, shape or form. They didn't have anything to do with any of this. They do not deserve a postseason ban. They should be able to go play for a championship if they can earn that right. They do not deserve to be punished for this'. And he absolutely stood up and said that after being drug through the mud for 18 and a half hours over a two day span."
from https://atozsports.com/nashville/tennessee-vols-football-respect-for-jeremy-pruitt-announced/

Kinda wild stuff
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Thank You! Although the huh was directed at the OP.
 
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cherokeeeVOL said:
From what I’ve read, there was a whistleblower from within the AD who brought the allegations to Plowman so she had a decision to make. If she had swept it under the rug and simply fired everyone normally then she would be taking a big risk that that person wouldn’t go above her or leak it to the media etc. If the NCAA had found out, UT’s punishment would have potentially been much worse. I was mad too initially but I think she did the right thing.
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As Life 101 has taught us, honesty is ALWAYS the best policy.
 
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gunner said:


UT is forced to vacated 11 wins as part of their self initiated reporting of rules violation to the NCAA. This is truly unfortunate and angers me beyond words!

“That includes wins over UTC, Mississippi State, South Carolina, UAB, Kentucky, Missouri, Vanderbilt and Indiana in 2019, and wins over South Carolina, Missouri and Vanderbilt in 2020.”

Am I the only one that is pissed about vacating these wins?

This certainly wasn’t necessary, UT should have used the millions that they paid in attorney’s fee to buy out Fulmer, Pruitt. and staff. Then hired a new AD and HC. They have tarnished the reputation, image and brand for no reason.

You can bet the farm that had Pruitt been winning like JH has done in his first few seasons then the violations are ignored, covered up or minimized by Plowman and never reported fully to the NCAA and a law firm isn’t hired to investigate. All self inflicted wounds by Plowman.

Plowman is extremely fortunate that they struck gold with JH; otherwise, she’s long gone at UT.

I’m ecstatic that UT has found an experienced AD who hired an excellent coach and they have the Vols heading in the right direction, but all these self inflicted wounds aren’t necessary, and handled differently UT doesn’t vacate these wins, just my thoughts.
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The funniest part of your rant is about Plowman being gone. First she did the right thing. Additionally, she is hired to run the University of Tennessee. The most important part of the university is the education side not the athletic side. Some sports fans forget athletics is secondary to the purpose of the university. She is doing a good job of running the university
 
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Only thing that gets me even a little riled up about vacating wins is that moves us out of the Top 10 all time for wins by a college football program.
However, with the clip that Heupel is poised to get wins we might be okay...
 
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I’m just ready to get past it now and focus on the here and now. Yes it’s too bad to now have those recorded as losses but we know we won them. We already had the enjoyment of the wins. That’s enough for me. This is just entertainment.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
I shudder to think of the consequences for this program if we didn’t cooperate.
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Probably second only to SMU if this had happened 10 years ago. The committee basically said it was one of the worst cases they had seen. They would have left us with nothing but scorched earth. Fortunately things appear to be changing. Ten years ago most folks would tell the NCAA to pound sand and take their chances. Nowadays it appears you should cooperate and serve the offenders up on a platter. UT certainly set a precedent with this one.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Gunner, I disagree. Strongly.

She did the right thing. Firing Pruitt and all the other guilty parties was the right thing. Telling the kids who took under-the-table money to move on was the right thing.

And once she took those steps, there was really no hiding it from the world. At that point, the NCAA was bound to start their own investigation. Three people can keep a secret only if two of them are dead. A whole lotta people knew the secret at that point. It was certainly gonna come out. Best to take it on directly, not attempt to whimper past. That just invites more pain later.

Bottom line is, she acted with integrity. And in doing so, provided a great role model for everyone who works at or attends the University of Tennessee.

Go Vols!
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JP, I always respect your opinion and I agree in a perfect world she did the right thing, but my problems begin with the NCAA’s inability and desire to police college football recruiting. Let them investigate, and don’t tell them what they want to hear and then all they have is a bunch of hearsay and unsubstantiated allegations with nothing more. They will go away and forget about it. The only real power the NCAA has is when you give them something on a silver platter which she did and otherwise they are largely useless to conduct their own investigation.

I keep asking myself is this how Alabama, Georgia, LSU or anyone else that desires to win a championship would have handled this problem and I keep coming back to the same answer which is “HELL NO”.

No one can expect a coach to compete for Championships at UT and then tie their hands in recruiting top prospects against our competition. If you want to win in College Football then you must get the best players to compete and that has always meant paying them.

I’m not convinced that it was so noble on her part, she was appointed by Haslam and they desperately wanted to get Fulmer out as AD. This is more of the same infighting that has domed UT Football for decades.

Fulmer did the right thing by stepping down and ceding his power to a new AD. Plowman is just damn lucky that UTAD found and excellent Football coach in JH. It’s a real shame that this was exposed outside of UT and most importantly it continues to hamper JH’s ability to recruit top players by the recruiting restrictions placed upon him because of the NCAA sanctions.

In the world of college football recruiting if you ain’t cheating then you ain’t trying.
 
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gunner said:
JP, I always respect your opinion and I agree in a perfect world she did the right thing, but my problems begin with the NCAA’s inability and desire to police college football recruiting. Let them investigate, and don’t tell them what they want to hear and then all they have is a bunch of hearsay and unsubstantiated allegations with nothing more. They will go away and forget about it. The only real power the NCAA has is when you give them something on a silver platter which she did and otherwise they are largely useless to conduct their own investigation.

I keep asking myself is this how Alabama, Georgia, LSU or anyone else that desires to win a championship would have handled this problem and I keep coming back to the same answer which is “HELL NO”.

No one can expect a coach to compete for Championships at UT and then tie their hands in recruiting top prospects against our competition. If you want to win in College Football then you must get the best players to compete and that has always meant paying them.

I’m not convinced that it was so noble on her part, she was appointed by Haslam and they desperately wanted to get Fulmer out as AD. This is more of the same infighting that has domed UT Football for decades.

Fulmer did the right thing by stepping down and ceding his power to a new AD. Plowman is just damn lucky that UTAD found and excellent Football coach in JH. It’s a real shame that this was exposed outside of UT and most importantly it continues to hamper JH’s ability to recruit top players by the recruiting restrictions placed upon him because of the NCAA sanctions.

In the world of college football recruiting if you ain’t cheating then you ain’t trying.
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I respect you too, Gunner. One disagreement between us isn't going to change that. You're a good dude, and a great Vol fan.

Go Vols!
 
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