'12 JUCO WR Cordarrelle Patterson (UT signee)

[BerryBros'n'2014]

Rogers isn't a true No.1 yet. He's a good WR but he's not a true No.1 yet. He's our best WR with Hunter hurt but he plays when he wants to at times. He also couldn't get loose from Claiborne Saturday. IMO you have to at least show you can win some battles against one of if not the best CB in the country. Yeah he beat Matheiu but he had a visible size advantage. He did nothing against #17. And I'm a Tennessee homer who realizes Simms is the QB. But Rogers also drops too many passes for a true No.1. I felt Hunter was a real No.1 WR. He caught everything and stayed open early for us. Plus I think the ball Simms threw to Rogers (that got picked and ran almost back for a TD) would've been a bit more competitive with Hunter in the same position.
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Can't say i disagree with many of your points here. We would all agree there is an effort/attitude concern with Da'Rick (your example of the INT speaks to this). Worst thing that could have ever happened to him was Hunter going down this year and at times he has seemed more frustrated with the lose than Hunter actually has. However, with Bray at QB he was on pace to put up a nasty stat line (10+ TD's, 1000+ yards, etc). That along with his size at the WR position, and what I would imagine would be Top 10 WR NFL combine rating just based on his visable strength, speed, etc...leads me to feel he would be a decent round draft pick next year.

And on the LSU game, he owned Matheiu who is supposed to be the 2nd coming of Patrick Petterson. Nearly ever catch he had #7 was in coverage. The slant he took for 40+ yards was against Matheiu and he drug him for 15 yards after he attempted to make the tackle. The old school fans aren't big fans but its becoming almost a gaurantee that there will be a post game picture of Da'Rick standing over top of a DB who has talked trash the week before. We used to say, "i cant wait for him to meet EB over the middle!". We'll Da'Rick has gladly taken over that role, delivering the blows to opposing DB's.

 

[KoachKletus]

Its common sense and basic knowledge of college football. The teams with NFL talent on the field are the best teams...if UT has players leaving early that means we have NFL talent and makes us a better team/program It also means we are a pro factory which for 99% of recruits is priority #1 out of HS. Its nearly every year that we have a DB recruit say, "i wanna be the next Eric Berry at UT!" They want to be EB because he was an NFL talent that got to the league.

Dont get me wrong, I'm 100% in favor of every player staying for 4 years, receiving their degree, yada-yada. But thats not college football these days. The top programs have a consist attrition of underclassmen jumping to the NFL year in and year out. Those programs also have the ability to restock every year which goes back to my OP that Patterson would the chance to "be the man" in 2013assuming Hunter/Da'Rick have the success we all hope they do in 2012.

Thanks BerryBro's. Understand your point about having elite talent going on to the money game. But at this point in UT's history, I think it's very important for us as an institution to get back to the elite status as a whole. If these kids can help us win consistently, the top recruits will want to come here. The next two to three years will be crucial not just in CDD's tenure, but also in getting our program back to elite status. Sure, many of these kids ultimate goal is to play in the NFL - but very few will make it. 99% of them will have a better crack at life by sticking it out at the collegiate level, enjoying their 4 years - becoming a VFL - and if they are good enough they will get drafted. I think it speaks volumes if the kids stick it out for four years, enjoy and learn, and earn a name in front of 100,000 fans. We love it when our players succeed at the next level, but I would hate to see us become the pro-mill like UK basketball has become. We don't need any more NCAA snooping.

 

[KoachKletus]

Well we have a lot of WRs coming in already and Dallas plus Arnett already in. We probably would be okay. But I don't want them gone and I don't know why our fanbase think they'll just up and leave. Don't see Bray just up and leaving. I think if they see we are close to a championship caliber team then they'll all want to stay after these two crazy years they've had to go through.
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Exactly righto elmungo correct. Looking at what has happened to this team - from the JJ boot - to today - I believe these kids have earned a few stripes, have been pissed off more than a few times, have had a few dust up's in the locker room - but through it all - they are becoming VFL's, becoming a solid team and are fighting through adversity. Perhaps the JJ boot, the Hunter and Bray injury will turn into a silver cloud. It's already forced our D to become better.

 

[BerryBros'n'2014]

I respect and understand your response and aims for the program Koach. I guess it's obvious my agenda and priority #1 of winning. SEC and National Championships are the goal 1, 2, 3, and 4. Graduating student athletes and creating VFLs are a close 5 and 6.

Your comparison to UK as a NBA factory is invalid. Basketball and football are apples and oranges. Which is why I respect football student athletes 100x's more than basketball for the simple fact that they have to maintain eligibility for 6 semesters before they can jump to their respective leagues. Programs like Coach Cal run are despicable.

Please don't misunderstand, I'm not a sports fan who believes, "win at all costs" or "if your not cheatin' you ain't tryin". We've seen the 'AA plenty the past 5 years! Heres to winning through hard work, discipline, and because we have the best talent and coaches.
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[LynxVol]

I see Rogers going to the NFL before Hunter. Hope I'm wrong. I hope they both stay.

 

[phowell23]

I see Rogers going to the NFL before Hunter. Hope I'm wrong. I hope they both stay.

I agree. I see Rogers with us one more year and Hunter/Bray staying for 2 more years. If that happened Patterson would have a great opportunity his SR year.

 

[joshc]

I don't think we have to worry about any of them leaving just yet. They all have a long way to go, before they are 1st round material. Bray needs to work on defense recognition and checking into the right plays at the line. Hunter still needs to work on all the routes not just the long ones. I think he was making progress here, but unfortunately the injury kept us from really being able to tell. Da'rick needs to learn to be consistent and stop being so dang moody. Whether or not he's double teamed, seems to effect his effort, and that won't get you far in the League. The 3 are awesome talents, and could be stars in the NFL, but seriously, I don't think we have to worry about them leaving after their Junior years unless they just all absolutely blow up next year and start doing everything right.

 

[LynxVol]

Sad thing is, Hunter will have to contemplate certain things when he thinks about the NFL after his JR year (possibility of injury).

 

[UTvol1fn]

As a Vol fan, its only good news if they do leave early. We saw a glipse this year, granted it was only for 2 games, that if we are going to be successful in 2012 its going to be through the backs of big numbers from Bray, Hunter, Da'Rick. Its asking a lot for both of them to put up numbers on a week to week bases like they did the first two games of the season however, we've seen how our offense has played since we've lost those weapons.

IMO for 2012 to be the year we all think it should be, both head to the league post their 3rd year in college (along with Bray). If either of the two was in question from being able to leave early it was Da'Rick and he has proven since Hunter went down that he is more than capable as the #1 WR in the SEC.

Its only good news if they are gone post 2012 and I have my fingers cross they will be.

are you high??

 

[BerryBros'n'2014]

are you high??

Not yet. You got any??

 

[BerryBros'n'2014]

Sad thing is, Hunter will have to contemplate certain things when he thinks about the NFL after his JR year (possibility of injury).

Exactly....its pretty evident that he's focusing his career on fball vs track/field and with already 1 major injury, that will def be on his mind when making a decision.

 

[BerryBros'n'2014]

Got a question for all of you that are disagreeing with me from post #1366. Pick one, for 2012 would you rather:

1) go 8-5 AND Hunter/Da'Rick/Bray return
OR
2) 11-3 AND all three go pro

This is taking into assumption that we win the bowl game each year but in option 2 we lose in the SEC Championship because if we go 10-2 in the reg. season, we would win the East.

Go.....................

 

[Domestic Silence]

I see what BerryBros is saying, and he is right. If Bray/Hunter/Rogers blow up next year and do everything we think they are capable of, they are going to go pro. What that will mean for us is that we can grow the guys below us, and then they can fill those shoes in 2013 and beyond, not to mention the pub we will get with the boost in recruiting from WR's in high school that want to be "the next Hunter/Rogers".

It's not like BerryBros hates Hunter and Rogers and doesn't want them to be Vols anymore. What he's saying is that we need to develop more talent than just them, because they can easily be gone (albeit injury or NFL) and we need more talent to replace them with.

 

[BerryBros'n'2014]

I see what BerryBros is saying, and he is right. If Bray/Hunter/Rogers blow up next year and do everything we think they are capable of, they are going to go pro. What that will mean for us is that we can grow the guys below us, and then they can fill those shoes in 2013 and beyond, not to mention the pub we will get with the boost in recruiting from WR's in high school that want to be "the next Hunter/Rogers".

It's not like BerryBros hates Hunter and Rogers and doesn't want them to be Vols anymore. What he's saying is that we need to develop more talent than just them, because they can easily be gone (albeit injury or NFL) and we need more talent to replace them with.

AND if this happens, we win a lot more games than the 6 or 7 we more than likely win this year. Thank you Domestic!

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Got a question for all of you that are disagreeing with me from post #1366. Pick one, for 2012 would you rather:

1) go 8-5 AND Hunter/Da'Rick/Bray return
OR
2) 11-3 AND all three go pro

This is taking into assumption that we win the bowl game each year but in option 2 we lose in the SEC Championship because if we go 10-2 in the reg. season, we would win the East.

Go.....................

I would rather we win games and they come back. The record could be somewhat misleading. The difference in 8 or 10 wins is sometimes just a couple of plays in the SEC. Here is what I want for next year. I want us to be competetive in every game, no matter who we are playing. The Defense will not catch up with the O till 13 IMO. I think this team, with the players coming in this year and assuming we have another really good class next year, has the potential in 13 to be the best team UT has ever put on the Field. If 2 of the 3 amigos leave after 12, that season of promise will not happen. Whoever comes in at QB would be a first time starter, and that will weaken the Offense.

 

[bpalmer28]

Got a question for all of you that are disagreeing with me from post #1366. Pick one, for 2012 would you rather:

1) go 8-5 AND Hunter/Da'Rick/Bray return
OR
2) 11-3 AND all three go pro

This is taking into assumption that we win the bowl game each year but in option 2 we lose in the SEC Championship because if we go 10-2 in the reg. season, we would win the East.

Go.....................

3) 9-4 or 10-3. Bray and Hunter or Da'Rick return PLUS we sign Patterson

 

[BerryBros'n'2014]

why am i not suprised that you couldn't pick 1 of two options. I tried to make it as simple as possible and you had to write a paragraph straddling the fence.

Go compare the 2012 and 2013 schedules.....season of promise is next year. Things get significantly tougher in '13. Also, check out the rosters of the our competition. The "we are young" excuse is BS....FL for example has just as nearly as many FR playing as we do. In summary, granted we increase our depth and tenure however we have to assume that our competition will as well. If you expect '13 to be the big year.....I'm afraid your in for a big disappointment.

 

[BerryBros'n'2014]

3) 9-4 or 10-3. Bray and Hunter or Da'Rick return

I guess I have to draw a picture for everyone.....

I would pick option 2. 11 wins and winning the east versus 8 wins and the Opps-I-Crapped-My-Pants Bowl (progress yes but all things considering....) Your not being honest with yourself if you pick 1 over 2. Maybe i should have worded this as "which option do you think Dooley would pick?".

 

[Sudden Impact]

Never ceases to amaze me how a recruiting thread turns into a predication thread regarding the state of UT Football and where it will be next year and the year after..... Unbelievable.

What happen to taking one game at a time...or one season....Recruiting will affect this and who knows what will happen in the future or even before the AL Game on Sat or before the SC game.

Does anybody know what Patterson's Status is at present.....

I can see an accidental one or two posts but 50+ is beyond belief.....Yes I am venting and b****ing, but come on guys. There are a 100 threads addressing this issue.....in the Football forum......

 

[BerryBros'n'2014]

Never ceases to amaze me how a recruiting thread turns into a predication thread regarding the state of UT Football and where it will be next year and the year after..... Unbelievable.

What happen to taking one game at a time...or one season....Recruiting will affect this and who knows what will happen in the future or even before the AL Game on Sat or before the SC game.

Does anybody know what Patterson's Status is at present.....

All is quiet on the home front....no news is good news?!?!?! (fingers crossed)

 

[windyvol]

why am i not suprised that you couldn't pick 1 of two options. I tried to make it as simple as possible and you had to write a paragraph straddling the fence.

Go compare the 2012 and 2013 schedules.....season of promise is next year. Things get significantly tougher in '13. Also, check out the rosters of the our competition. The "we are young" excuse is BS....FL for example has just as nearly as many FR playing as we do. In summary, granted we increase our depth and tenure however we have to assume that our competition will as well. If you expect '13 to be the big year.....I'm afraid your in for a big disappointment.

You listed two possible outcomes of the many, and loaded the question so that picking the better outcome supported your hypothesis previously stated. Then you get upset people aren't playing along. Why am I not suprised?
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[Ulysees E. McGill]

why am i not suprised that you couldn't pick 1 of two options. I tried to make it as simple as possible and you had to write a paragraph straddling the fence.

Go compare the 2012 and 2013 schedules.....season of promise is next year. Things get significantly tougher in '13. Also, check out the rosters of the our competition. The "we are young" excuse is BS....FL for example has just as nearly as many FR playing as we do. In summary, granted we increase our depth and tenure however we have to assume that our competition will as well. If you expect '13 to be the big year.....I'm afraid your in for a big disappointment.

I am not taking into account other teams and schedules for mainly just one reason. In 13 barring injuries, or anybody leaving for the league, we will have something that hardly any team in the league ever has. A team dominated by, and loaded with highly talented players who are 3-4 yr starters at nearly every position, and backed up by talented/experienced players at all positions. The Defense will not be dominate next year, but I believe they will by 13. I am not trying in any way to be a smarta$$, I am just telling you what I think could hypothetically happen.

 

[UTvol1fn]

Not yet. You got any??

ugh...duh

 

[UT_King]

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[UTvol1fn]

I guess I have to draw a picture for everyone.....

I would pick option 2. 11 wins and winning the east versus 8 wins and the Opps-I-Crapped-My-Pants Bowl (progress yes but all things considering....) Your not being honest with yourself if you pick 1 over 2. Maybe i should have worded this as "which option do you think Dooley would pick?".

you can't predict this...we could possible win 11 and still keep those guys. Saying you'd rather them go pro is nonsense IMO. If they are pro caliber, I would rather them stick out out for their senior year. Then they could go for that 14 win season and be seen as a Volunteer all time great.

I just don't see why you'd rather have your best players leave early. Good for them if that is the case...I would love to see them all have successful careers at the next level, but it doesn't do anything to better us for the following season unless they stay.