120k a year isn’t enough

[Vol8188]

Apparently both sides agree the average salary is 120k, yet the union is on strike. Can anyone defend this nonsense?

Why Kellogg's Workers Are On Strike

 

[McDad]

Apparently both sides agree the average salary is 120k, yet the union is on strike. Can anyone defend this nonsense?

Why Kellogg's Workers Are On Strike

I don't know how to relate to people like this:

Trevor Bidelman is a fourth-generation Kellogg’s worker. His great-grandpa, his grandpa and grandma, and his dad all worked at the storied cereal maker’s Battle Creek, Michigan, plant, making breakfast staples like Rice Krispies and Frosted Flakes.
Now Bidelman is on strike with 1,400 other Kellogg’s workers at four plants, and wonders if it will be a job worth taking when his own four kids grow up.

 

[allvol123]

Hey Kellogg’s, move out of that s hole.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Out of curiosity what professional skills are required for any position with Kellogg which they are willing to pay $120k per year for?

 

[VolStrom]

I've heard these "stats" from my own employer when they were trying to discredit union employees. First, anyone making $30/hour isn't making $120k a year without working a bunch of overtime. Secondly, the company is probably including their inflated cost of benefits in that number. If Kellogg's doesn't want to pay any more money, let them move their plant to China and make their cereal there. Unions don't usually go on strike for no reason.

 

[allvol123]

Out of curiosity what professional skills are required for any position with Kellogg which they are willing to pay $120k per year for?

Required skills:

Easily miffed
Team player(organized labor)
Sense of entitlement

 

[allvol123]

I've heard these "stats" from my own employer when they were trying to discredit union employees. First, anyone making $30/hour isn't making $120k a year without working a bunch of overtime. Secondly, the company is probably including their inflated cost of benefits in that number. If Kellogg's doesn't want to pay any more money, let them move their plant to China and make their cereal there. Unions don't usually go on strike for no reason.

During a national labor shortage they are looking for any reason to go on strike.

 

[AshG]

Battle Creek is already a rough and tumble place. Looks nothing like a community where that is the average pay. Worst schools I did supervision at in Michigan.

That's also more than double my compensation package. I'm in the wrong business.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Required skills:

Easily miffed
Team player(organized labor)
Sense of entitlement

The individual quoted above is apparently a machinery mechanic. I can see an experienced senior mechanic being worth that if they can service the factory machines and keep them running.

If the claim is any person tending a machine or process line or moving packaged product or raw materials is worth that kind of money they can GTFO.

It was stated as an “average salary” so there is probably a lot of definition that needs to be added here on what jobs and seniority that applies to

 

[VolStrom]

During a national labor shortage they are looking for any reason to go on strike.

You're right about that. Those kinds of things go both way though. When the economy sucks, companies lay off employees and tell them to pound sand. When the shoe is on the other foot, they don't seem to like it.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Battle Creek is already a rough and tumble place. Looks nothing like a community where that is the average pay. Worst schools I did supervision at in Michigan.

That's also more than double my compensation package. I'm in the wrong business.

That’s more money than a 5 year and under engineer with a bachelors of science is making. That’s crazy as hell.

 

[AshG]

It was stated as an “average salary” so there is probably a lot of definition that needs to be added here on what jobs and seniority that applies to

Ding ding ding. You saw through the statistical ********. I want to know the most common salary (mode), not the average. A few outliers can wreak havoc on the average salary.

 

[VolStrom]

That’s more money than a 5 year and under engineer with a bachelors of science is making. That’s crazy as hell.

I certainly hope so because most engineers with under 5 years experience in a factory are worth nothing, in fact they are negative contributors because they F up more than they fix.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I certainly hope so because most engineers with under 5 years experience in a factory are worth nothing, in fact they are negative contributors because they F up more than they fix.

Oh sure they can. But they aren’t the ones making this unicorn $120k a year salary we’re talking about are they?

 

[allvol123]

You're right about that. Those kinds of things go both way though. When the economy sucks, companies lay off employees and tell them to pound sand. When the shoe is on the other foot, they don't seem to like it.

My opinion is if there is organized labor in a company, then the relationship is in a bad place. A marriage may survive but that doesn’t mean it isn’t ****.

 

[AshG]

My opinion is if there is organized labor in a company, then the relationship is in a bad place. A marriage may survive but that doesn’t mean it isn’t ****.

What about countries such as Germany, where the culture is highly collaborative and management expects and respects input from a committee comprised of workers?

 

[allvol123]

What about countries such as Germany, where the culture is highly collaborative and management expects and respects input from a committee comprised of workers?

I was speaking for US. I understand places like VW encourage this idiocy. That said you can be collaborative without forming a union.

 

[VolStrom]

My opinion is if there is organized labor in a company, then the relationship is in a bad place. A marriage may survive but that doesn’t mean it isn’t ****.

I've seen both sides of the coin after spending 35+years in a union plant. Some union members abuse the relationship, and some are more like negotiators that use the relationship as a way to better the work environment. When I was young, I hated the union, decades later as the company used salaried people as a "this is how things will become" examples and started taking my benefits away I started seeing their side.

 

[Vol8188]

My favorite part is when the Union President admits these guys make 120k a year. I expected him to say “that number is way off and they’re included the CEO’s salary in it”. But instead he agrees and still goes on strike

 

[VolStrom]

My favorite part is when the Union President admits these guys make 120k a year. I expected him to say “that number is way off and they’re included the CEO’s salary in it”. But instead he agrees and still goes on strike

Did you actually read this? He plainly states what I suspected, that the people making $120k are doing so at the expense of working 12-16 hours a day 7 days a week. I witnessed this same thing and someone working max overtime and 7 days a week is not worth having around as an employee, they're exhausted all of the time.

 

[Orangeburst]

 

[Orangeburst]

Out of curiosity what professional skills are required for any position with Kellogg which they are willing to pay $120k per year for?

According to that one guy...shipping clerk

 

[McDad]

Did you actually read this? He plainly states what I suspected, that the people making $120k are doing so at the expense of working 12-16 hours a day 7 days a week. I witnessed this same thing and someone working max overtime and 7 days a week is not worth having around as an employee, they're exhausted all of the time.

Your math is wrong.

 

[NorthDallas40]

According to that one guy...shipping clerk

Oof.

 

[Orangeburst]

Ding ding ding. You saw through the statistical ********. I want to know the most common salary (mode), not the average. A few outliers can wreak havoc on the average salary.

Then u want the mean