120k a year isn’t enough

[NorthDallas40]

Mean = Average
Median = the middle salary when all are arranged in order
Mode = Most common salary
Range = range from lowest to highest

Yep. I’m corrected. Mode not median.

 

[Vol8188]

WTF are you talking about? I'm defending people making more money and you're trashing me for making a jab at Kellogg's for not wanting to pay more?

If Kellogg's doesn't want to pay any more money, let them move their plant to China and make their cereal there. Unions don't usually go on strike for no reason.

Im trashing you for supporting an elitist position that has lead to so many jobs going over seas. If the employees don’t like their salary, Kellogg’s needs to replace them.

 

[Orangeburst]

With those hours worked, maybe $25/hour with time and half for OT

 

[VolStrom]

Im trashing you for supporting an elitist position that has lead to so many jobs going over seas. If the employees don’t like their salary, Kellogg’s needs to replace them.

You got me all wrong dude, but whatever.

 

[tnmarktx]

Apparently both sides agree the average salary is 120k, yet the union is on strike. Can anyone defend this nonsense?

Why Kellogg's Workers Are On Strike

If you read the article the pay is $30 per hour. One would have to live at work to earn $120k per year at that pay, which is basically what the article cites. $30 dollars and hour is most definitely not extravagant pay, you will not get rich making that kind of money. I understand the hatred when it comes to union labor because of their political stances, however it should be hard for anyone to argue against better pay, benefits, and safer working conditions at work. I've said it before and I'll continue to say it. The internationals in unions will be the death of unions. They are more friend than foe when it comes to the relationship they have with companies and they don't really care about the union worker other than the dues they pay.

 

[Vol8188]

With those hours worked, maybe $25/hour with time and half for OT

Or he just openly lied about the hours. 25 at 7 days and 12 hours a day is nearly $140k. I highly doubt 7 days a week and 12 hours a day is the norm and I’d bet by life that 7 days and 16 hours a day isn’t

 

[VolStrom]

If you read the article the pay is $30 per hour. One would have to live at work to earn $120k per year at that pay, which is basically what the article cites. $30 dollars and hour is most definitely not extravagant pay, you will not get rich making that kind of money. I understand the hatred when it comes to union labor because of their political stances, however it should be hard for anyone to argue against better pay, benefits, and safer working conditions at work. I've said it before and I'll continue to say it. The internationals in unions will be the death of unions. They are more friend than foe when it comes to the relationship they have with companies and they don't really care about the union worker other than the dues they pay.

Thank God, someone that understands what I've been trying to say, you just did it much better than me.

 

[Orangeburst]

You got me all wrong dude, but whatever.

It does speak to a bigger issue IMO...The people that work are having to bust ass because the companies cannot staff (if they want to).
I see it in my discussions and frankly personally. In fact, our owner actuallu was proud of the commitment one of our package techs for sleeping in his truck i the shop after a late night.
I mean this is going to be bad if the labor force doesnt become engaged.

 

[Orangeburst]

Or he just openly lied about the hours. 25 at 7 days and 12 hours a day is nearly $140k. I highly doubt 7 days a week and 12 hours a day is the norm and I’d bet by life that 7 days and 16 hours a day isn’t

I just rounded...2000 hours at 25 and 2000 hours at 32.
Figure, 14 hours day 6 days/week

Edit: come to think of this is not accurate. Anit nobody pulling those hours.

 

[Vol8188]

If you read the article the pay is $30 per hour. One would have to live at work to earn $120k per year at that pay, which is basically what the article cites. $30 dollars and hour is most definitely not extravagant pay, you will not get rich making that kind of money. I understand the hatred when it comes to union labor because of their political stances, however it should be hard for anyone to argue against better pay, benefits, and safer working conditions at work. I've said it before and I'll continue to say it. The internationals in unions will be the death of unions. They are more friend than foe when it comes to the relationship they have with companies and they don't really care about the union worker other than the dues they pay.

64.6 hours a week. That’s probably below average for me for any job I’ve had since high school. I’m really not impressed.

And yes it’s easy to argue against better pay and benefits. Here’s an easy agruement against it, have the Union start their own company. The Union has all the resources they would need. If the Union believes current ownership is taking too much profit, then the margins should be fat enough for the Union to increase wages and benefits and still turn a sizable profit at the end of the day.

Their unwillingness to do so is itself an argument against higher wages. It indicates the margins aren’t there and therefor the money for raises and benefits is not there

 

[Vol8188]

I just rounded...2000 hours at 25 and 2000 hours at 32.
Figure, 14 hours day 6 days/week

40x52x25+52x52x37.5=$161,200

That’s why I’m saying the idea that they’re working 6-7 days a week and 16hr days seems to be fabricated. Because even at 25 an hour that’s 161.2k.

 

[tnmarktx]

He’s an easy agruement against it, have the Union start their own company.

Again, I understand your hatred for the union because of their political views. However, I do not understand your seeming hatred for the worker. I mean, I hope you get a big raise this year. Inflation alone should deem it so.

 

[McDad]

Here let me just post it for you.

I guess math isn't your strong suit.

Let me convert his words to numbers for you:

12-16 hours x 7 days per week = 98 hours.

40 hours x $30 + 48 hours x $45 = $3,360 per week. 176k per year.

He's incorrect or misleading. And it played well with your own bias.

 

[VolStrom]

64.6 hours a week. That’s probably below average for me for any job I’ve had since high school. I’m really not impressed.

And yes it’s easy to argue against better pay and benefits. Here’s an easy agruement against it, have the Union start their own company. The Union has all the resources they would need. If the Union believes current ownership is taking too much profit, then the margins should be fat enough for the Union to increase wages and benefits and still turn a sizable profit at the end of the day.

Their unwillingness to do so is itself an argument against higher wages. It indicates the margins aren’t there and therefor the money for raises and benefits is not there

You seem jealous to me. If you're not happy with what you make and you think union employees are over paid, why don't you go to work in a union job and work your ass off for an excessive wage? It's easy to look in from the outside and critique someone else's job until you have to do the work yourself.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I worked a 90+ hr week one time I think in my life. This was as an engineer, not young slave labor. Once. My brain was misfiring at the end of it and we collectively told the test managers F off and fire us if they like but we are taking a damn break. I’ve worked multiple 70-80 hrs weeks back to back which sucks ( edit: but I’ll never do it again). But break that 80 hour barrier and your brain turns to mush quick

 

[Vol8188]

Again, I understand your hatred for the union because of their political views. However, I do not understand your seeming hatred for the worker. I mean, I hope you get a big raise this year. Inflation alone should deem it so.

Only for the workers who go along with the Union. If the workers feel their time is worth more on the open market to someone else, they’re welcome to go there.

The fact that they stay implies this company is the one willing to pay them most. I find it disgusting to spit in the face of those offering you your best opportunity

 

[McDad]

Or he just openly lied about the hours. 25 at 7 days and 12 hours a day is nearly $140k. I highly doubt 7 days a week and 12 hours a day is the norm and I’d bet by life that 7 days and 16 hours a day isn’t

Agreed.
It's rather elementary to see through the rhetoric.

 

[Vol8188]

You seem jealous to me. If you're not happy with what you make and you think union employees are over paid, why don't you go to work in a union job and work your ass off for an excessive wage? It's easy to look in from the outside and critique someone else's job until you have to do the work yourself.

I’m happy with where I am. If I weren’t, I would leave. What I wouldn’t do is pretend the company had no right to replace me. That’s where the issue starts to come in.

If the company pays well, they should have no problem replacing these union workers and the company has every right to do so

 

[tnmarktx]

The fact that they stay implies this company is the one willing to pay them most.

Pay is only one aspect your thinking of. Insurance costs could factor in as well if there's a pension. The hourly wage isn't everything.

 

[VolStrom]

I guess math isn't your strong suit.

Let me convert his words to numbers for you:

12-16 hours x 7 days per week = 98 hours.

40 hours x $30 + 48 hours x $45 = $3,360 per week. 176k per year.

He's incorrect or misleading. And it played well with your own bias.

You are dumb as a box of rocks. You have no idea other than your rigid framework of how people that work in a union plant are paid, so why don't you just quit while you're behind?

 

[McDad]

Again, I understand your hatred for the union because of their political views. However, I do not understand your seeming hatred for the worker. I mean, I hope you get a big raise this year. Inflation alone should deem it so.

If the worker has a marketable skill, then the worker can move to a better employment situation.

Enough do that and original employer's wage will rise.

 

[McDad]

You are dumb as a box of rocks. You have no idea other than your rigid framework of how people that work in a union plant are paid, so why don't you just quit while you're behind?

I got my data from you and union representative. If my calculations are incorrect it is due to incorrect variables you supplied.

 

[tnmarktx]

I worked a 90+ hr week one time I think in my life. This was as an engineer, not young slave labor. Once. My brain was misfiring at the end of it and we collectively told the test managers F off and fire us if they like but we are taking a damn break. I’ve routinely worked 70-80 hrs a week which sucks. But break that 80 hour barrier and your brain turns to mush quick

We have a 64 hour rule. I usually can barely stand 48-56 hours. Can only take work in small doses these days.

 

[NorthDallas40]

We have a 64 hour rule. I usually can barely stand 48-56 hours. Can only take work in small doses these days.

At 14 mos and counting before pulling the ejection handle they’re struggling to get an honest 40 out of me. When I come back from holiday leave in January I’m not even sure I know yet how deep I’ll be in F U mode.

 

[VolStrom]

We have a 64 hour rule. I usually can barely stand 48-56 hours. Can only take work in small doses these days.

My company implemented a 64 hour rule after several fatalities, but only for hourly employees. People like me were welcome to work 100 hours a week when needed.