'13 JUCO DB Riyahd Jones (UT commit 12/21/12)

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how is it.hypocritical for me to talk positively. about a physical guy who is 240 right now who happens to actually have experience blocking and defeating blocks on both Lines of scrimmage


pretty silly
 
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I4Jay said:
how is it.hypocritical for me to talk positively. about a physical guy who is 240 right now who happens to actually have experience blocking and defeating blocks on both Lines of scrimmage


pretty silly
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You said Jackson was jones kind of TE because of his size and we played too many video games because we thought croom fit that same mold. Your condesending post about crooms size was darn sure hypocritical since croom is 1 inch taller and only 3lbs lighter. You can't claim one is getting a scholarship because of his size and the other is the size of a mini TE which jones doesn't prefer. Hypocritical at its finest!!
 
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Have you actually SEEN Jackson and Croom? Complete different body types. Croom loves to block downfield on running plays and short passes, that doesn't mean he is technically sound at the skill of blocking. But, most importantly, the effort an desire is there. JC will excel wherever they put him, IMO.
 
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the fact You cant understand the build difference between a natural TE and a WR who is trying to force into one is really comical.
Yes Im condescending, good, I like me that way.
I asked when did Butch Jones say :

From what I have read this staff wants a fast big recieving type TE with less emphasis on run blocking. That's exactly what I see croom as being. Seems like the perfect TE to me
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starting from there, You are and were wrong.
so you decided to try and amend it a little bit with

BruinVol said:
... From what I have read this staff wants a fast big recieving type TE with less emphasis on run blocking. That's exactly what I see croom as being. Seems like the perfect TE to me
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well where did you see this? in games? do you want me to post more Bearcat game hilights where the TEs are anything BUT the type to have less emphasis on blocking? they are punching DEs and walling off Defenders and creating running lanes? I can and will if need be. Nothing about those TEs says quote;unquote "recieving type TE with less emphasis on run blocking.
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so I have posted Butch Jones' TEs dominating in the run game and neither had ridiculous numbers reception wise.

Jones himself said we will be no huddle and will be a PHYSICAL Team.

you want a Link to that?? Let me know because I can make that available to you in an instant

Difference between my statements and yours, I have backed up what I said with facts and with vid and a Link if you want, I didnt just throw spaghetti on the wall hoping it sticks.

you and others must have incorrectly leaped to the conclusion that we will be a finesse team. we will not. The coach has TOLD us this much, his previous teams history has told us so.
what Physical team uses TEs who "don't emphasize blocking" ?


here is a blurb about Cinci's offense under Jones and bajakian

When you sit and look at Robinson's career numbers they aren't that impressive. 29 catches, 434 yards, 5 TD's, 15 yards per catch isn't a lot to write home about in an era when most of the guys in the TE class have had more receptions, yards and TD's in a season at least once, if not twice. But that speaks more about Mike Bajakian's struggle to fit the TE position into an offense that never really used TE's as anything more than glorified tackles.
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again. I apologize for cluttering up the Riyahd Jones thread. I will not do it again. :salute:
 
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I4Jay said:
the fact You cant understand the build difference between a natural TE and a WR who is trying to force into one is really comical.
Yes Im condescending, good, I like me that way.
I asked when did Butch Jones say :



starting from there, You are and were wrong.
so you decided to try and amend it a little bit with



well where did you see this? in games? do you want me to post more Bearcat game hilights where the TEs are anything BUT the type to have less emphasis on blocking? they are punching DEs and walling off Defenders and creating running lanes? I can and will if need be. Nothing about those TEs says quote;unquote "recieving type TE with less emphasis on run blocking.
"

so I have posted Butch Jones' TEs dominating in the run game and neither had ridiculous numbers reception wise.

Jones himself said we will be no huddle and will be a PHYSICAL Team.

you want a Link to that?? Let me know because I can make that available to you in an instant

Difference between my statements and yours, I have backed up what I said with facts and with vid and a Link if you want, I didnt just throw spaghetti on the wall hoping it sticks.

you and others must have incorrectly leaped to the conclusion that we will be a finesse team. we will not. The coach has TOLD us this much, his previous teams history has told us so.
what Physical team uses TEs who "don't emphasize blocking" ?


here is a blurb about Cinci's offense under Jones and bajakian
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You can write pages and pages of responses and none will make you anything but a hypocritic because you stated Jackson had the perfect size and in fact thats why he still had an offer but croom is a mini TE. 6'4 235 and 6'5 232 is virtually the same size in my world of reality. Now if you choose to state Jackson is more physical and more of a natural TE then that's another argument but that wasn't your condensing approach to start with. It's was nothing but a hypocritical comparing of two kids with virtually the same measureables!
 
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BruinVol said:
in my world of reality.
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That may be the issue. Therefore, this is not a fair discussion. My brother is the exact same height and weight as Chauntez Jackson, however I can assure you they do not have the same body type! Good day, sir. Merry Christmas.

Love the Riyahd Jones pickup.
 
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ORANGE & WHITE said:
Body type has nothing to do with their skill set. That's the difference Bruin.
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Agreed. Jay should have argued skill set. Instead he said croom was a mini TE and Jackson was the perfect size. He should have argued skill set
 
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yes because I didn't say anything about skills


I4Jay said:
there's a reason Chauntez jackson scholly is still on the table. he is a big guy who can catch move and block. forget all this labeling "blocking" or "receiving" tight end. we need a guy who can do it all.
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Riyahd looks like Hard worker, But I am a bit skeptical of CBs who are allowed to play off and just clue the QB. It takes an almost insane sense and Football IQ to get be able to adjust and play that style while playing quality QBs. there are very few guys in the NFL who can do that. Asante Samuel is one of them.
CBs can get away with that in HS and JC because most QBs arent able to take advantage but BCS level, it would be hard to hide.

Jones' JC cornerback Film looks like a Poor man's BMoore.
 
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its just a hard transition for that style of CB play.

Moore doesnt appear as fast Jones tho.
 
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I tried to be nice about it(with the raw comment) but he has work to do. He's not getting his head around at all, saw him press more than once and not touch the guy at the line, he's tackling only head first most of the time(think a lot of guys in the SEC could run through those tackles), I'm just going to wait and see with him. If I were going after a juco CB it would be Garland but he has some legal issues. Jones has tools but you can see even in his workout videos that he's not as smooth with his footwork like you would want a CB to be. We'll see what he does though. Hope he can do some work for us. :salute:
 
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The Breakerboy said:
I tried to be nice about it(with the raw comment) but he has work to do. He's not getting his head around at all, saw him press more than once and not touch the guy at the line, he's tackling only head first most of the time(think a lot of guys in the SEC could run through those tackles), I'm just going to wait and see with him. If I were going after a juco CB it would be Garland but he has some legal issues. Jones has tools but you can see even in his workout videos that he's not as smooth with his footwork like you would want a CB to be. We'll see what he does though. Hope he can do some work for us. :salute:
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Breaker are those issues fixed thru instruction or are they usually only fixed with game experience??
 
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BruinVol said:
Hopefully he is a much better runner. Moore does have some instinct for the ball but appears to me to lack any kind of speed
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Moore's speed is fine his attitude is what's wrong. He doesn't like tackling and it shows. Safeties don't have to be 4.3-4.4 guys. A lot of good safeties run 4.5-4.7s at the combine. Angles, instincts, and attitude make safeties in my mind. Moore had chances to make a lot of plays in the run game but he wanted no parts of SEC RBs one on one.
 
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BruinVol said:
Breaker are those issues fixed thru instruction or are they usually only fixed with game experience??
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Both, he needs to work hard this Spring and Summer. Would've helped him to practice against JH11, CP84, and DR21 last summer like the other CBs did. He's going to have to understand how to play a WR and locate the ball. I watched him not get his head around at all more than once. But we need help so we'll see if he gets it. Or we may run a lot of zone to help some guys out.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Both, he needs to work hard this Spring and Summer. Would've helped him to practice against JH11, CP84, and DR21 last summer like the other CBs did. He's going to have to understand how to play a WR and locate the ball. I watched him not get his head around at all more than once. But we need help so we'll see if he gets it. Or we may run a lot of zone to help some guys out.
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Thanks BB. Sounds to me this guy is better suited to be a depth guy. Hopefully the rawness will be helped a lot because of the spring
 
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BruinVol said:
Thanks BB. Sounds to me this guy is better suited to be a depth guy. Hopefully the rawness will be helped a lot because of the spring
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We'll see what happens. CWM is a good coach and kid has 8 months to put in work. Wish we had some real RBs to teach him a few lessons in the spring.
 
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