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Hinshaw as a WR coach isn't impressive.

I watched ZRo do what he's done in the past well which is play well as the No.3 man. When he was the No.2 guy is when he's put pressure on himself and started to have problems catching the ball.

Vincent Dallas really just matured more as a player. I watched nothing really special as far as him turning the corner as an impact WR.

Hunter and CP not running crisp routes is on Hinshaw. Baggett's WRs were more polished in every aspect of the game. The route running(in the first two games) was much better out of Hunter last year than this past season. The unit also had much less wide open drops. The development of Denarious Moore under Baggett was astonishing in one year.

Hinshaw needs to coach QBs if he's retained in any capacity.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Hinshaw as a WR coach isn't impressive.

I watched ZRo do what he's done in the past well which is play well as the No.3 man. When he was the No.2 guy is when he's put pressure on himself and started to have problems catching the ball.

Vincent Dallas really just matured more as a player. I watched nothing really special as far as him turning the corner as an impact WR.

Hunter and CP not running crisp routes is on Hinshaw. Baggett's WRs were more polished in every aspect of the game. The route running(in the first two games) was much better out of Hunter last year than this past season. The unit also had much less wide open drops. The development of Denarious Moore under Baggett was astonishing in one year.

Hinshaw needs to coach QBs if he's retained in any capacity.
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ZRo's production and improvement this year is exponentially greater than his previous 3 years.

I also hope you're not putting drops on the coaches. All they do everyday in practice is catch a football. The coaches can't catch it for them.

I'll agree, to an extent, routes go on the coaches.
 
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LynxVol said:
ZRo's production and improvement this year is exponentially greater than his previous 3 years.

I also hope you're not putting drops on the coaches. All they do everyday in practice is catch a football. The coaches can't catch it for them.

I'll agree, to an extent, routes go on the coaches.
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My WR coach in HS spent lots of time coaching how to not drop the ball. Looking it in, catch with the hands, read the letters before you take your eyes off, etc... There is plenty that a coach can do to improve fundamentals and lower drops. My biggest gripe is the laziness from our big two though, you could see it in practice and games.
 
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jave36 said:
My WR coach in HS spent lots of time coaching how to not drop the ball. Looking it in, catch with the hands, read the letters before you take your eyes off, etc... There is plenty that a coach can do to improve fundamentals and lower drops. My biggest gripe is the laziness from our big two though, you could see it in practice and games.
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We're talking about potential 1st round picks, not pee-wee league kids. I understand what you're saying, but those kind of things are habits developed over the players career. I'm just saying the coach can only do so much when it comes to concentrating during the game to catch the ball. I'm assuming its a concentration issue since these guys are two of the best in the nation at what they do.
 
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LynxVol said:
ZRo's production and improvement this year is exponentially greater than his previous 3 years.

I also hope you're not putting drops on the coaches. All they do everyday in practice is catch a football. The coaches can't catch it for them.

I'll agree, to an extent, routes go on the coaches.
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Seriously with ZRo all he's done is concentrate better and catch the ball. He used to get open at the No.3 spot last year and the year before.
 
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LynxVol said:
We're talking about potential 1st round picks, not pee-wee league kids. I understand what you're saying, but those kind of things are habits developed over the players career. I'm just saying the coach can only do so much when it comes to concentrating during the game to catch the ball. I'm assuming its a concentration issue since these guys are two of the best in the nation at what they do.
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Hunter wasn't dropping hardly anything under Baggett. Maybe the knee is a factor but coaching is a problem too. IMO
 
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Spartacavolus said:
you're blaming Hunter's drops on a coach?
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Who said I was placing the blame squarely on the coach? The coach should be able to get the best out of a player. CP, Hunter, and Dallas have dropped wide open deep balls this year. Pattern that I see and don't like from Hinshaw's WRs. Hunter has played scary all year so I won't just place blame on Hinshaw but I don't like how our corps looks as far as route running and other things.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Who said I was placing the blame squarely on the coach? The coach should be able to get the best out of a player. CP, Hunter, and Dallas have dropped wide open deep balls this year. Pattern that I see and don't like from Hinshaw's WRs. Hunter has played scary all year so I won't just place blame on Hinshaw but I don't like how our corps looks as far as route running and other things.
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I agree, the coach is supposed to get the most out of his group, and you never stop hammering fundamentals at any level. Blame never rests completely with one party or another. I think CP and JH played lazy all year, and that's on them, but it's also the coaches' job to prevent that. Saban wouldn't put up with lazy practices and taking plays off, and that mentality leads to dropped passes. I blame Hinshaw and Dooley for allowing that to happen all year. I'm not smart enough when it comes to football specifics to assign blame for technical issues, but I know coaches share at least some portion of responsibility for EVERYTHING that happens on the field. What percentage is up for debate.
 
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LynxVol said:
I strongly believe that Hunter's drops this year have nothing to do with Hinshaw's coaching.
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I think Hunter played scary all year. But I watched CP not concentrate at times all year. Our team didn't play as hard as they should've to me. And that may come down to Dooley and his BS standards. But I cast blame on both coaches for not putting enough pressure on our guys to perform at all times.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
I think Hunter played scary all year. But I watched CP not concentrate at times all year. Our team didn't play as hard as they should've to me. And that may come down to Dooley and his BS standards. But I cast blame on both coaches for not putting enough pressure on our guys to perform at all times.
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I definitely agree here.
 
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LynxVol said:
I definitely agree here.
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Sentimore really only playing up to his potential one game really pissed me off. He was bringing it versus Bama but playing in spurts the rest of the year. That's something that ran me crazy. Guys not being locked in versus rivals and in big games.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Sentimore really only playing up to his potential one game really pissed me off. He was bringing it versus Bama but playing in spurts the rest of the year. That's something that ran me crazy. Guys not being locked in versus rivals and in big games.
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Like Jordan Williams said in an interview (after the Vandy game on what he would be looking for in a new coach), the team needs a coach that can energize the players. It is turning out that the players respected Dooley as a man and as a leader, but not really as a coach. He didn't seem to be a "player's coach." I said it many times, Dooley was a stoic personality. He showed no emotion other than an occassional fist pump.

I'm greedy. I want everything a coach should have. Dooley preached intangibles to the players all the time, yet he didn't have the "intangibles" as a coach. The only other coach that really gets away with being a stonewall is Saban.
 
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LynxVol said:
Like Jordan Williams said in an interview (after the Vandy game on what he would be looking for in a new coach), the team needs a coach that can energize the players. It is turning out that the players respected Dooley as a man and as a leader, but not really as a coach. He didn't seem to be a "player's coach." I said it many times, Dooley was a stoic personality. He showed no emotion other than an occassional fist pump.

I'm greedy. I want everything a coach should have. Dooley preached intangibles to the players all the time, yet he didn't have the "intangibles" as a coach. The only other coach that really gets away with being a stonewall is Saban.
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Think about Muschamp pumping that defense up. They will run through a wall for him let alone a ball carrier. Our guys players don't play angry or with as much passion as I would want on defense. I like emotional players that talk big and play even bigger. I want the nasty back on our defenses. We haven't had nasty player since Berry and Mayo were leading our defense. Malik Jackson would've been that if he could've played DE.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
I think Hunter played scary all year. But I watched CP not concentrate at times all year. Our team didn't play as hard as they should've to me. And that may come down to Dooley and his BS standards. But I cast blame on both coaches for not putting enough pressure on our guys to perform at all times.
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bs standards? explain what you mean

Your other points:

-CP wasn't taught to run routes and you don't learn how to run routes and read SEC defenses in a few games. 20 yrs old is too late to start.
-JH is coming of an acl to one of his lethal weapons and trying to compete at the highest level in college within a year. You have zero idea the effect that has mentally and physically. zero. Not even considering he has a family to support and football is his chance. He still put up numbers and you still complain. Yes he had drops. So what.
-I don't think you watch enough football. Wr's take plays off all the time, especially if the play call sends them on 50 yd sprints 10 times in a row like the 2nd half of the florida game.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
bs standards? explain what you mean

Your other points:

-CP wasn't taught to run routes and you don't learn how to run routes and read SEC defenses in a few games. 20 yrs old is too late to start.
-JH is coming of an acl to one of his lethal weapons and trying to compete at the highest level in college within a year. You have zero idea the effect that has mentally and physically. zero. Not even considering he has a family to support and football is his chance. He still put up numbers and you still complain. Yes he had drops. So what.
-I don't think you watch enough football. Wr's take plays off all the time, especially if the play call sends them on 50 yd sprints 10 times in a row like the 2nd half of the florida game.
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Hahahaha guy you're funny. Hunter had big drops in a bunch of big games when the competition was tough. WRs taking plays off should be benched. Play hard or go home. If you're tired come out of the game. BS Standards to the max. How many Bama WRs don't play hard????

Me not watching football is a laugher. Any coach would've ran the ball more in the Florida game. Dumb coaching everyone knows I'm not a fan of Chaney and his video game playcalls under pressure.

CP dropped some deep balls and didn't develop any at all during the season. I guess he's never supposed to grow in any area during the season either. Funny how he knows how to catch the back shoulder fade perfectly when he's reading the CB. So now he's too dumb to read coverages period???

Now to the BS standards, Dooley never established order. His first year he let D.Moore tell him he didn't want to return punts even though we were terrible in the area. Last year he allowed DR to do whatever off the field. That foundation of BS was laid and this year you could see it all over the team. Guys not making tackles and such because they just weren't playing hard at times. Catches not being made because a coach won't bench them at all. CP and Hunter not blocking hard on the edge. Just an overall lack of effort that you never see consistently from hard-nosed teams.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
bs standards? explain what you mean

Your other points:

-CP wasn't taught to run routes and you don't learn how to run routes and read SEC defenses in a few games. 20 yrs old is too late to start.
-JH is coming of an acl to one of his lethal weapons and trying to compete at the highest level in college within a year. You have zero idea the effect that has mentally and physically. zero. Not even considering he has a family to support and football is his chance. He still put up numbers and you still complain. Yes he had drops. So what.
-I don't think you watch enough football. Wr's take plays off all the time, especially if the play call sends them on 50 yd sprints 10 times in a row like the 2nd half of the florida game.
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So what that an elite WR is dropping at least one easy catch a game? So what?!

WRs do not take plays off all the time. Any time you watch Bama every person on the field is 100% every single play. Saban demands it. Petrino WRs were the same way, you sprint EVERY second on the field until the whistle blows. If you can't do it 10 plays in a row, you come out for a play to catch your breath. Our top 2 WRs did not participate in any play that did not directly involve them. That is on the coaches.

Did you see when the pass to CP got picked and he literally stood there with his hands on his hips while the guy returned it? That's insane. Being a freak athlete can only get you so far. Coaches are responsible for demanding excellence and motivating their players to demand it of themselves. That's my gripe with Hinshaw, he let the stars slack off instead of insisting they continue to get better in route running, pass catching, run blocking, and overall effort. ACL tear has nothing to do with laziness. JH ran hard and fast when his number was called, you can't tell me he all of a sudden got scared for his knee when he was asked to block for someone else.
 
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#769
CP and JH were part of a record breaking offense and will be drafted early next year, and you guys are whining about them being poorly coached. JH after only 2 full seasons and CP with one on the sec level.

Wr's take plays off. On all levels for all teams. Half the picks thrown by qbs are from wrs not running the route properly or without full effort. Again. On all levels.

And CP's route running also got better. Including a nice post route td last game. His confusion as to where to go and how to make his read were his problems.

Z Rogers had a great year. I guess all that was just his natural ability.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
I think Hunter played scary all year. But I watched CP not concentrate at times all year. Our team didn't play as hard as they should've to me. And that may come down to Dooley and his BS standards. But I cast blame on both coaches for not putting enough pressure on our guys to perform at all times.
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The Breakerboy said:
Sentimore really only playing up to his potential one game really pissed me off. He was bringing it versus Bama but playing in spurts the rest of the year. That's something that ran me crazy. Guys not being locked in versus rivals and in big games.
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I don't think the second best offense in UT history was the problem even though there are places where it could have been better. The real problem was on defense and everyone knows that. Defense is 70% or more emotion and motivation. Sentimore played on emotion vs Bama and he was lights out. A few guys went out there and gave their all(J.Williams, AJ) and some just didn't. Some will blame that on the player, but I blame that on the coach for not making it "fun" or "hypeing" up the team. Think about the first halves against FL and Bama, the team was feeding off the energy of the fans, and after a halftime Dooley downer speech they came out flat. The was tied or winning at halftime against Mizzou, Vandy, Georgia, and Florida, but came out flat after halftime and lost..
 
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#774
Jason Carr No.165 in new Rivals Rankings.

Carr was named all-district after starting all 10 games at defensive end.
 
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#775
"It's going great right now. I still have all five of my officials to take but as far as my commitment level I'm still 100 percent on UT and I'm still excited about the program and the 2013 football season," Carr said Monday night. "They're close to signing a new coach and I'm excited to know how it is and I'm excited to see how he comes in. Now, I'm done with my senior season it's time to get my grades up and get ready for next year."

"First things first, my brother's up there. He's been up there for about four years now. My dad's been a UT fan for a long time now," Carr said. "When I went up there it kind of felt like home. Basically, it was all those things when I committed."

"The thing that's keeping me 100 percent with Tennessee is I talked to Dave Hart and he said they still want me on the team and they still want me to stay committed and want me at the university, even without coach Derek Dooley," Carr said. "For them to do that, it shows that at Tennessee Derek Dooley wasn't the only one that wanted me, it was the school that wanted me. The athletic director said they appreciate me staying committed with them."

"Of course, I do plan on taking all five of my official visits. Really, I don't know what to expect. I'm going to go there and talk to those guys about what I want to major in. Is there any type of internship I can work at and about academics because I'm trying to get a job," Carr offered. "I know football handles itself. Me being a good player, I know I'm going to be on the field as a freshman. So, really I don't know what to expect. I hope the visits are going to be good."

As of right now, Carr said he plans on taking official visits to Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi State, Ole Miss and Vanderbilt and that the first one could come as soon as next weekend to Alabama.
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