'13 TN OL Austin Sanders (UT signee)

[RockyTop1384]

Based on their current play I agree. However, is it not possible that if Kerbyson had gone to Bama or UF that he could've gotten better coaching and be performing better? Too many folks look at how a player is playing for us and put all of his deficiencies solely on him and say he's no good, he'd never play at Bama. When does coaching come into play and have an affect on on-field performanc?

Yep i said as of today so my comment was based on current play. All of these guys have developed, and theyre not done developing, so im not discounting that.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

His lack of occasional visits is telling, if not disturbing no matter the reason. Just would like to hear it from his viewpoint.

Guarantee to get really messy, fo sho.

 

[InVOLuntary]

His lack of occasional visits is telling, if not disturbing no matter the reason. Just would like to hear it from his viewpoint.

I think his silence speaks volumes.

 

[Roustabout]

You have to wonder about Wiesman, Sanders and even Pair.
UT beat out OSU for Wiesman and Sanders was a highly touted guy. Pair has the size and is a tackle yet doesn't see the field or even get mentioned as a candidate to start.
I find it hard to fathom that this line would have looked dramatically better with a walk-on at LT. Although Thomas has been atrocious at RT. But again, this calls into question the staff. They rushed CT into the starting line-up in the spring and then shifted the line-up right before the season.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

What about the kids that go to Bama and languish on the 3rd string or the scout team? Why aren't they playing?

Typical VN response, a round about way of saying the players a bust. Obviously those guys at Bama are not as good as the starters. What if Kerbyson is better than them? See we can play this all day. The point is, we'll likely never know if a player didn't contribute (look good on the field) because he just isn't good, didn't put in the effort or because of subpar coaching. The fact that CBJ's OL recruits from '13 plus Blair have not seen the field is worrisome. Those are guys he evaluated and felt could play at this level.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I want to make sure I'm understood here that I'm not saying these two freshmen are not good. I think they have potential but they are playing like one would expect true freshmen to play, like true freshmen. I just have a hard time fathoming why Autin and Pair can't sniff the field with the Oline woes that we have. I just cant make myself believe they would be that big of a drop off. Again, maybe it's just me.

 

[31VFL]

Guarantee to get really messy, fo sho.

If I was a parent of any kid on the team, I would stay away from here. The Croom thread is a good example of why.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

If I was a parent of any kid on the team, I would stay away from here. The Croom thread is a good example of why.

Unless they are an All-American, it will inevitably get messy. There is just no way around it.

 

[Atzar]

Typical VN response, a round about way of saying the players a bust. Obviously those guys at Bama are not as good as the starters. What if Kerbyson is better than them? See we can play this all day. The point is, we'll likely never know if a player didn't contribute (look good on the field) because he just isn't good, didn't put in the effort or because of subpar coaching. The fact that CBJ's OL recruits from '13 plus Blair have not seen the field is worrisome. Those are guys he evaluated and felt could play at this level.

My man, his '13 recruits are redshirt freshmen. In a healthy program we wouldn't hear their names for another two years.

My guess is that he knows we're going to struggle with anybody we put out there, so he went with the group that he feels has the most upside to get them game experience. And yes, it may very well be damning to the players who aren't seeing snaps that they can't help us right now. But we have no way of knowing that, so it's not a very useful discussion to have.

One closing thought that I've shared before and I feel deserves repeating: there's no play you can call to hide an O line that gets beaten regularly when the defense only rushes three. As much as a few of you want to point and scream at playcalling, that's just the truth.

 

[OldVol49vfl]

My man, his '13 recruits are redshirt freshmen. In a healthy program we wouldn't hear their names for another two years.

My guess is that he knows we're going to struggle with anybody we put out there, so he went with the group that he feels has the most upside to get them game experience. And yes, it may very well be damning to the players who aren't seeing snaps that they can't help us right now. But we have no way of knowing that, so it's not a very useful discussion to have.

One closing thought that I've shared before and I feel deserves repeating: there's no play you can call to hide an O line that gets beaten regularly when the defense only rushes three. As much as a few of you want to point and scream at playcalling, that's just the truth.

But, but ... a good OC could take a bunch of third rate O-Linemen and call the "right plays" and roll over any team we play including the Seahawks! It has nothing to do with the players it's all in the play calling.

:crazy:

 

[RockyTop1384]

Its a fair question to ask why guys like Pair, Wiesman, and Sanders have not seen the field ahead of true freshman. We simply have to rely on the coaches evaluation of their performance and development. But, the bigger issue is that none of them should be seeing the field at this stage in their career (other than Pair)....they should be developing.

IMO if you are not an elite HS O-lineman, you shouldn't be seeing the field until year 3 as a RS SO if you sign in to a program that already has talent and depth. Problem is we have no year 3 guys b/c Dooley didn't recruit any! On top of that, our last 2 OL classes have been below avg when compared to SEC caliber lines and they are filling in the gaps that should be occupied by year 3 guys.

2015, if it holds, will be our best OLine class since 2011, and its not even close.

Think about this for a minute as pertains to our last 3 signing classes:

UT - 7 signees (one 4*, six 3*) - 4* was JUCO
Bama - 14 signees (two 5*, eight 4*, four 3*) - one 3* was a grayshirt
FLA - 15 signees (one 5*, two 4*, twelve 3*)
UGA - 12 signees (one 5*, four 4*, six 3*, one 2*)

 

[Vol464]

My man, his '13 recruits are redshirt freshmen. In a healthy program we wouldn't hear their names for another two years.

My guess is that he knows we're going to struggle with anybody we put out there, so he went with the group that he feels has the most upside to get them game experience. And yes, it may very well be damning to the players who aren't seeing snaps that they can't help us right now. But we have no way of knowing that, so it's not a very useful discussion to have.

One closing thought that I've shared before and I feel deserves repeating: there's no play you can call to hide an O line that gets beaten regularly when the defense only rushes three. As much as a few of you want to point and scream at playcalling, that's just the truth.

Butch said the exact same thing in his press conference.

 

[highspeed]

Its a fair question to ask why guys like Pair, Wiesman, and Sanders have not seen the field ahead of true freshman. We simply have to rely on the coaches evaluation of their performance and development. But, the bigger issue is that none of them should be seeing the field at this stage in their career (other than Pair)....they should be developing.

IMO if you are not an elite HS O-lineman, you shouldn't be seeing the field until year 3 as a RS SO if you sign in to a program that already has talent and depth. Problem is we have no year 3 guys b/c Dooley didn't recruit any! On top of that, our last 2 OL classes have been below avg when compared to SEC caliber lines and they are filling in the gaps that should be occupied by year 3 guys.

2015, if it holds, will be our best OLine class since 2011, and its not even close.

Think about this for a minute as pertains to our last 3 signing classes:

UT - 7 signees (one 4*, six 3*) - 4* was JUCO
Bama - 14 signees (two 5*, eight 4*, four 3*) - one 3* was a grayshirt
FLA - 15 signees (one 5*, two 4*, twelve 3*)
UGA - 12 signees (one 5*, four 4*, six 3*, one 2*)

Pair blew his knee out early in his UT career and has never been the same. Before that injury he looked like a future star, but he never recovered the same mobility. It's sad really.

Weisman has been banged up a lot this year. He missed time in August and has been hurt again during the season, so his health has held him back this year.

With Sanders, the only logical explanation is that the coaches feel other players are farther along at this point. He's only a red-shirt freshman and has plenty of time to develop.

 

[RockyTop1384]

Pair blew his knee out early in his UT career and has never been the same. Before that injury he looked like a future star, but he never recovered the same mobility. It's sad really.

Weisman has been banged up a lot this year. He missed time in August and has been hurt again during the season, so his health has held him back this year.

With Sanders, the only logical explanation is that the coaches feel other players are farther along at this point. He's only a red-shirt freshman and has plenty of time to develop.

Yea & Wiesman is playing ST & backing up Crowder if im not mistaken.

 

[WinginFlorida]

Typical VN response, a round about way of saying the players a bust. Obviously those guys at Bama are not as good as the starters. What if Kerbyson is better than them? See we can play this all day. The point is, we'll likely never know if a player didn't contribute (look good on the field) because he just isn't good, didn't put in the effort or because of subpar coaching. The fact that CBJ's OL recruits from '13 plus Blair have not seen the field is worrisome. Those are guys he evaluated and felt could play at this level.

I have no idea if they are a bust or not. But...and I apologize if you feel I directed my comment to you personally...but this board is FILLED with insinuations and accusations that if someone isn't performing or something isn't working, it's because the coaches aren't doing their job. Obviously, with 85 kids on scholarships, every program in America, including Bama and anyone else, will have dozens of kids that aren't contributing. It could be a talent evaluation gone wrong (coaches' responsibility), bad attitudes, lazy, cannot grasp schemes, injuries, homesickness, girlfriend issues, etc.

My comment isn't necessarily directed at Austin Sanders as I have no idea his individual situation, it's just my frustration when I read over and over again that EVERYTHING is the fault of the coaching staff. The staff certainly has to shoulder their degree of responsibilities when things aren't working (and they made their fair share of mistakes this past Saturday), but I'm sure you've seen the threads in which these insinuations are made.

I hope this explains the "spirit" of my comment.

 

[Phat-Phil]

I understand that, but using your statement about Pair neither is Robertson and Thomas. I know your close to the program, but I have plenty of proof that the two starters aren't getting better. Pair hasn't had the opportunity to see what he can do in a game. I have to believe he can't be much worse.

If all these highly recruited players can't perform, especially the ones with multiple years in the system, then obviously the system is to hard.

Dumb down the system where the players can play.

The system is too hard? It has nothing to do with the system being too hard...it's blocking. You can't dumb it down, you either win your matchup or you don't. If the system was too hard for someone it would be the QB and Worley seems to understand it just fine, he just doesn't have the time to execute it. Kerby isn't whiffing on the defensive ends in pass protection because the system is too hard, I can promise you that, he is just getting beat. The only way you can "fix" that is by leaving the tightend in to block or chip before he releases into his route, run quicker hitting plays (which theyre already doing), or running screens to slow down the pass rush (which they're already doing as well.

 

[Mike4Vols]

As the parent of a 20 year old college student, I can tell you there's no damn way I would get anywhere near this forum if he were my son. Irrational, immature, know-it-alls talking bad about my son? No f'ing way.

 

[WinginFlorida]

Its a fair question to ask why guys like Pair, Wiesman, and Sanders have not seen the field ahead of true freshman. We simply have to rely on the coaches evaluation of their performance and development. But, the bigger issue is that none of them should be seeing the field at this stage in their career (other than Pair)....they should be developing.

IMO if you are not an elite HS O-lineman, you shouldn't be seeing the field until year 3 as a RS SO if you sign in to a program that already has talent and depth. Problem is we have no year 3 guys b/c Dooley didn't recruit any! On top of that, our last 2 OL classes have been below avg when compared to SEC caliber lines and they are filling in the gaps that should be occupied by year 3 guys.

2015, if it holds, will be our best OLine class since 2011, and its not even close.

Think about this for a minute as pertains to our last 3 signing classes:

UT - 7 signees (one 4*, six 3*) - 4* was JUCO
Bama - 14 signees (two 5*, eight 4*, four 3*) - one 3* was a grayshirt
FLA - 15 signees (one 5*, two 4*, twelve 3*)
UGA - 12 signees (one 5*, four 4*, six 3*, one 2*)

Wow...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Unless they are an All-American, it will inevitably get messy. There is just no way around it.

Aj Johnson is an all American and he still gets ripped on here

 

[OrangeLynx]

You can't really call a lineman a bust until his redshirt JR year. We'd love to have a healthy Gillium back this year and this time last year nobody knew who he was.

 

[white65]

I really hope Austin can improve and see the field here. He's from my area so I'm rooting for him, but J. Smith was also from my area. So

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

So, Florida beat us with 2 crap quaterbacks. Florida won because their coaches took a true freshman and figured out how to put him in good situations to make plays. Our coaches didn't. No excuses other than that. There are always going to be injuries, players not performing to plan. It comes down to taking what you got and being successful.

I would buy the talent argument if we were UAB or South Alabama. Our recruiting rankings for the last several years will show we have enough talent to at least be competitive if the coaching staff can be great teachers and people who are creative during the games.

Your logic is sound except where it counts.
Check the quality and quantity of the OL recruited over the last 5 years. It is woefully lacking. Our only RS Senior is a walkon!
No seniors, a couple overmatched juniors, etc.
No competitive SEC school has had this issue. Not one. It is a perfect storm of awful.
If you look at every other aspect, this coaching staff is excelling! If your QB has <2seconds to throw the ball, no hole for the RB; how extensive can your playbook actually be?
Not sure why "fans" cannot get this?
Ask any coach in the conference and you would get the same answer: very little.

Legion of the Miserable has a new voice: goldenvol

Very sad sack that you are...

 

[Roustabout]

Your logic is sound except where it counts.
Check the quality and quantity of the OL recruited over the last 5 years. It is woefully lacking. Our only RS Senior is a walkon!
No seniors, a couple overmatched juniors, etc.
No competitive SEC school has had this issue. Not one. It is a perfect storm of awful.
If you look at every other aspect, this coaching staff is excelling! If your QB has <2seconds to throw the ball, no hole for the RB; how extensive can your playbook actually be?
Not sure why "fans" cannot get this?
Ask any coach in the conference and you would get the same answer: very little.

Legion of the Miserable has a new voice: goldenvol

Very sad sack that you are...

OK. But the current staff knew this when they arrived and still chose to sign two classes that were still lacking on the O-line. the best lineman they had committed they ended up screwing up by not taking a risk on signing and guess what? He qualified and is on the roster for Oklahoma. So, with 32 signees, they signed quite a large number of guys who are bouncing positions and likely will never contribute. Kendrick, Sanders and Weisman in one class, none of which are contributing. Blair is a bust at the greatest position of need on the team. And we've got slot receivers knee deep over there. Priorities? I've heard this stupid answer that UT was focused on getting faster with this class. When you sign 32 you ought to address more than speed. That is more than 1/3 your entire roster. He has signed more than 50% of the current roster and the O-line sucks and doesn't have much if anything in reserve. And I wouldn't say this class of O-linemen is exactly game changing.

 

[goldenvol]

Your logic is sound except where it counts.
Check the quality and quantity of the OL recruited over the last 5 years. It is woefully lacking. Our only RS Senior is a walkon!
No seniors, a couple overmatched juniors, etc.
No competitive SEC school has had this issue. Not one. It is a perfect storm of awful.
If you look at every other aspect, this coaching staff is excelling! If your QB has <2seconds to throw the ball, no hole for the RB; how extensive can your playbook actually be?
Not sure why "fans" cannot get this?
Ask any coach in the conference and you would get the same answer: very little.

Legion of the Miserable has a new voice: goldenvol

Very sad sack that you are...

I've tried to let it go. I'm sorry guys. It's obviously too hard for coaches to do their jobs due to the lack of talent. Ive changed my position. Let's just forfeit the rest of the next two maybe three seasons, because their is no possible way for this staff to make the players we have any better.

God forbid fans expect millions of dollars in coaches salaries paid yearly should result in being able to take a bad situation and make it better.

Im really glad you will never be my doctor, because it sounds like if you hit a roadblock in a diagnosis that you would throw up your hands and say it's just too hard to figure out.

I don't know how everybody else's jobs work, but I'm paid to lead my crew, make my operation more efficient, and fix problems when they arise. If I was to go to my boss and say my crew isn't capable of meeting customer demand how do you think that would go down? I would be replaced really quickly with someone who could figure out to take the existing situation and make it work.

I'm sorry I expect to much from our coaches. I guess we shouldn't have beat Florida. I guess we really over achieved and I'm to blind to see it. Dave Hart should have given extensions and raises to all the coaches Saturday night due to "trying like heck" to win.

 

[Vol464]

I've tried to let it go. I'm sorry guys. It's obviously too hard for coaches to do their jobs due to the lack of talent. Ive changed my position. Let's just forfeit the rest of the next two maybe three seasons, because their is no possible way for this staff to make the players we have any better.

God forbid fans expect millions of dollars in coaches salaries paid yearly should result in being able to take a bad situation and make it better.

Im really glad you will never be my doctor, because it sounds like if you hit a roadblock in a diagnosis that you would throw up your hands and say it's just too hard to figure out.

I don't know how everybody else's jobs work, but I'm paid to lead my crew, make my operation more efficient, and fix problems when they arise. If I was to go to my boss and say my crew isn't capable of meeting customer demand how do you think that would go down? I would be replaced really quickly with someone who could figure out to take the existing situation and make it work.

I'm sorry I expect to much from our coaches. I guess we shouldn't have beat Florida. I guess we really over achieved and I'm to blind to see it. Dave Hart should have given extensions and raises to all the coaches Saturday night due to "trying like heck" to win.

Stupid post is stupid.