'13 TN OL Austin Sanders (UT signee)

[bowlinggreenvol]

My man, his '13 recruits are redshirt freshmen. In a healthy program we wouldn't hear their names for another two years.

My guess is that he knows we're going to struggle with anybody we put out there, so he went with the group that he feels has the most upside to get them game experience. And yes, it may very well be damning to the players who aren't seeing snaps that they can't help us right now. But we have no way of knowing that, so it's not a very useful discussion to have.

One closing thought that I've shared before and I feel deserves repeating: there's no play you can call to hide an O line that gets beaten regularly when the defense only rushes three. As much as a few of you want to point and scream at playcalling, that's just the truth.

We're not a healthy program though is what most agree on. Yet are these RS Fr inferior to 2 true FR playing ahead of them despite having a yr in the playbook and the S&C program?

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

But, but ... a good OC could take a bunch of third rate O-Linemen and call the "right plays" and roll over any team we play including the Seahawks! It has nothing to do with the players it's all in the play calling.

:crazy:

There's not an OL on this roster who is 3rd rate based on offer lists. Robertson had the weakest interest of anyone and is perhaps our best.

 

[goldenvol]

Stupid post is stupid.

What are you mad about? I said I was wrong. Our situation is obviously too hard and a lot of fans expectations are too high.

 

[Vol464]

What are you mad about? I said I was wrong. Our situation is obviously too hard and a lot of fans expectations are too high.

Trust me, I am not mad.

 

[JacketVol]

I really hope Austin can improve and see the field here. He's from my area so I'm rooting for him, but J. Smith was also from my area. So

but Smith did make it to the last cut on an NFL team...........so, it can relate perhaps to the coaching they get and he did not get any his first few years Sal anyone

 

[Nashvegas31]

One thing to keep in mind is he is now a guard so pushing for playing time is hard at that spot. This staff will not bench Jackson or Robertson and there isnt much reason too as they have been the best two lineman. If they needed someone else to play Kerbyson and Weisman would be next in line at Guard. by his RS JR year he will have a shot with Jackson and Kerbyson graduating.

 

[3rdDown4What?]

Some posters on here think the #34 G (Kyrbeson) the country is elite though. I'm sorry but elite is top 5 maybe 7 depending on the quality of the class. Why do some people not trust the coach? He has been in coaching how long? He has see How many OL play? Obviously the best are playing and there is a reason a walk on Gilliam and Freshmen past them on the depth chart OBVIOUSLY...

 

[jave36]

My man, his '13 recruits are redshirt freshmen. In a healthy program we wouldn't hear their names for another two years.

My guess is that he knows we're going to struggle with anybody we put out there, so he went with the group that he feels has the most upside to get them game experience. And yes, it may very well be damning to the players who aren't seeing snaps that they can't help us right now. But we have no way of knowing that, so it's not a very useful discussion to have.

One closing thought that I've shared before and I feel deserves repeating: there's no play you can call to hide an O line that gets beaten regularly when the defense only rushes three. As much as a few of you want to point and scream at playcalling, that's just the truth.

The OL are not getting over powered by bigger faster more talented players as much as they miss assignments because they're clueless, especially in the interior.

 

[Atzar]

We're not a healthy program though is what most agree on. Yet are these RS Fr inferior to 2 true FR playing ahead of them despite having a yr in the playbook and the S&C program?

Possibly. I really don't have a concrete answer for you... The only ones who know for sure are the people who see practice every day and know a lot more about line play than I do. But like I said, my guess is that they're about equal right now, and the coaches went with Robertson and Thomas because they see higher upside in that pair and the experience would be more valuable going to them.

 

[OldVol49vfl]

There's not an OL on this roster who is 3rd rate based on offer lists. Robertson had the weakest interest of anyone and is perhaps our best.

Sorry, bgv, I wasn't talking about Tennessee's linemen. It was just a "blue font" example of any college with a coach calling the "right plays" and beating anyone they play. We could use Tennessee Tech as an example. Like I've said before we had the last two Dooley years with about 1 or 2 fair OL recruits.

 

[I4Jay]

Bull crap. Vandy didn't have better talent anywhere. You proved my point when you brought up Dooley. He was inept at coaching. He was out coached in every way by Franklin.

Say what you want about Kiffin. He took walk on lineman and won games. He took Crompton who was awful at making multiple reads, rolled him away from danger, and minimized the reads he had to make. He made Crompton successful.

Our offensive coordinator and head coach have got to adapt or we won't win in the SEC.

church!

 

[OldVol49vfl]

I've tried to let it go. I'm sorry guys. It's obviously too hard for coaches to do their jobs due to the lack of talent. Ive changed my position. Let's just forfeit the rest of the next two maybe three seasons, because their is no possible way for this staff to make the players we have any better.

God forbid fans expect millions of dollars in coaches salaries paid yearly should result in being able to take a bad situation and make it better.

Im really glad you will never be my doctor, because it sounds like if you hit a roadblock in a diagnosis that you would throw up your hands and say it's just too hard to figure out.

I don't know how everybody else's jobs work, but I'm paid to lead my crew, make my operation more efficient, and fix problems when they arise. If I was to go to my boss and say my crew isn't capable of meeting customer demand how do you think that would go down? I would be replaced really quickly with someone who could figure out to take the existing situation and make it work.

I'm sorry I expect to much from our coaches. I guess we shouldn't have beat Florida. I guess we really over achieved and I'm to blind to see it. Dave Hart should have given extensions and raises to all the coaches Saturday night due to "trying like heck" to win.

Wow! I believe if you'll go politely to the UT administration and ask in a nice way they'll return your millions that you've donated for coaches salaries so you won't have a reason to come on VN and cry about your loss. We are all aware that you mold your employees into spectacular working machines that overwhelm your customers (and your boss) with their production.
I really hope that you never end up in the ER in VolsDoc's hospital and he finds out who you are. Then you'd get to see him throw his hands up in the air!
Please Let It Go!

 

[goldenvol]

Wow! I believe if you'll go politely to the UT administration and ask in a nice way they'll return your millions that you've donated for coaches salaries so you won't have a reason to come on VN and cry about your loss. We are all aware that you mold your employees into spectacular working machines that overwhelm your customers (and your boss) with their production.
I really hope that you never end up in the ER in VolsDoc's hospital and he finds out who you are. Then you'd get to see him throw his hands up in the air!
Please Let It Go!

Dude, I tried to drop it. You butt hurt jokers keep throwing jabs at me. I get you think that our coaching staff are all geniuses and do no wrong. I get that you believe our players are crap and can't perform our coaches perfect system. And your being silly trying to take what I said as if I donated millions. Your argument is so weak.

I do spend my hard earned money on season tickets every year, so I would like to think the coaches have to be responsible for their growth of the team.

I never said I was perfect, but I am responsible for my mistakes and my expectation is to not repeat them.

Why should the coaches not be expected to correct mistakes and find ways not to repeat them. The lineman we're playing are constantly making the same mistakes. If you don't believe me, then go watch the offensive play break down that Freak put together for every game this year.

 

[amazingGRACE]

Why is it the very second anybody questions or doesn't agree with our coaches, they get lambasted & thrown under the bus?

This staff has a lot of questions to answer on the coaching front & I think that's fair to say. I love Jones & his recruiting ability but so far in two years, he's been out coached by Franklin & Muschamp in two games that we easily should have won.

 

[WinginFlorida]

Why is it the very second anybody questions or doesn't agree with our coaches, they get lambasted & thrown under the bus?

This staff has a lot of questions to answer on the coaching front & I think that's fair to say. I love Jones & his recruiting ability but so far in two years, he's been out coached by Franklin & Muschamp in two games that we easily should have won.

My perception, and I think that of many ( or at least others), is not the second-guessing or even the direct criticism. It's a combination of a few things...the ugly and sarcastic tones in the comments, the outright statements that this coach or that coach needs to be gone, and the claims that every mistake is on the coaches since they are responsible for coaching these kids up. Some of us feel that it is safe to assume the coaches see many of the same things as the "experts" here do and are teaching the young men what they should be doing. When the players fail to do as they've been taught, well, some of the responsibility falls on them as well.

I read on a thread in the FF yesterday where one poster stated there is only one coach on the entire staff that is SEC-caliber. That is nothing short of spewed BS...the staff has done wonders with A.J., the defense as a whole, with a number of the kicking specialists, they've been instrumental in Worley's development, etc. ...for someone to make such a claim and purport themselves to "know football" is ridiculous. Another poster was critical of player development and when examples of improvement by specific players was brought forward, the poster said those kids are ballers on their own right and the staff shouldn't get credit for their talents. It's these sorts of claims or comments that rub many folks here wrong.

The ironic thing is 98% of VN are pulling for the same results...we just can't seem to communicate it effectively to each other.

Of course, this is JMO...

 

[keckjm]

My perception, and I think that of many ( or at least others), is not the second-guessing or even the direct criticism. It's a combination of a few things...the ugly and sarcastic tones in the comments, the outright statements that this coach or that coach needs to be gone, and the claims that every mistake is on the coaches since they are responsible for coaching these kids up. Some of us feel that it is safe to assume the coaches see many of the same things as the "experts" here do and are teaching the young men what they should be doing. When the players fail to do as they've been taught, well, some of the responsibility falls on them as well.

I read on a thread in the FF yesterday where one poster stated there is only one coach on the entire staff that is SEC-caliber. That is nothing short of spewed BS...the staff has done wonders with A.J., the defense as a whole, with a number of the kicking specialists, they've been instrumental in Worley's development, etc. ...for someone to make such a claim and purport themselves to "know football" is ridiculous. Another poster was critical of player development and when examples of improvement by specific players was brought forward, the poster said those kids are ballers on their own right and the staff shouldn't get credit for their talents. It's these sorts of claims or comments that rub many folks here wrong.

The ironic thing is 98% of VN are pulling for the same results...we just can't seem to communicate it effectively to each other.

Of course, this is JMO...

You my friend are spot on with this.

 

[BigVol80]

Why is it the very second anybody questions or doesn't agree with our coaches, they get lambasted & thrown under the bus?

This staff has a lot of questions to answer on the coaching front & I think that's fair to say. I love Jones & his recruiting ability but so far in two years, he's been out coached by Franklin & Muschamp in two games that we easily should have won.

Why is it people feel the need to lambaste our coaches who have not even had 2 full seasons in their jobs. Are you getting paid millions to coach football? No, I guess they are better than you then, sorry bro.

Coaches coach, players execute, coaches take the blame.

I don't thing Franklin or Muschamp out coached Butch, they simply had better pieces to work with.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Why is it people feel the need to lambaste our coaches who have not even had 2 full seasons in their jobs. Are you getting paid millions to coach football? No, I guess they are better than you then, sorry bro.

Coaches coach, players execute, coaches take the blame.

I don't thing Franklin or Muschamp out coached Butch, they simply had better pieces to work with.

I agree with you big Vol but I would say that Dooley got paid millions to coach too and I would hardly classify him as better than you or I.

 

[amazingGRACE]

My perception, and I think that of many ( or at least others), is not the second-guessing or even the direct criticism. It's a combination of a few things...the ugly and sarcastic tones in the comments, the outright statements that this coach or that coach needs to be gone, and the claims that every mistake is on the coaches since they are responsible for coaching these kids up. Some of us feel that it is safe to assume the coaches see many of the same things as the "experts" here do and are teaching the young men what they should be doing. When the players fail to do as they've been taught, well, some of the responsibility falls on them as well.

I read on a thread in the FF yesterday where one poster stated there is only one coach on the entire staff that is SEC-caliber. That is nothing short of spewed BS...the staff has done wonders with A.J., the defense as a whole, with a number of the kicking specialists, they've been instrumental in Worley's development, etc. ...for someone to make such a claim and purport themselves to "know football" is ridiculous. Another poster was critical of player development and when examples of improvement by specific players was brought forward, the poster said those kids are ballers on their own right and the staff shouldn't get credit for their talents. It's these sorts of claims or comments that rub many folks here wrong.

The ironic thing is 98% of VN are pulling for the same results...we just can't seem to communicate it effectively to each other.

Of course, this is JMO...

I agree with that. I'm not talking about the morons in the FF

I think Butch is the guy to lead us back to where we belong, I really do. His recruiting is top notch & as long as he's here we should be bringing in top talent left & right.

I don't think anybody should be fired but Jake really really needs to show some improvement & ability to adapt & take what the defense gives him.

But this past weekend was just a failure on all parts, simple as that. 400 plus VFL's on hand, fans pumped & checkered Neyland, 300 plus recruits on hand, & we come out and lay an egg.

Our defense played they tails off though. I was proud of them.

 

[WinginFlorida]

I agree with you big Vol but I would say that Dooley got paid millions to coach too and I would hardly classify him as better than you or I.

There are exceptions to everything...

 

[MockingVol]

Dude, I tried to drop it. You butt hurt jokers keep throwing jabs at me. I get you think that our coaching staff are all geniuses and do no wrong. I get that you believe our players are crap and can't perform our coaches perfect system. And your being silly trying to take what I said as if I donated millions. Your argument is so weak.

I do spend my hard earned money on season tickets every year, so I would like to think the coaches have to be responsible for their growth of the team.

I never said I was perfect, but I am responsible for my mistakes and my expectation is to not repeat them.

Why should the coaches not be expected to correct mistakes and find ways not to repeat them. The lineman we're playing are constantly making the same mistakes. If you don't believe me, then go watch the offensive play break down that Freak put together for every game this year.

Peoples are giving you a hard time because you are comparing apples to bananas screaming that bananas are "apples of paradise" thus the same.

Yes, the coaches like you on a job must be held responsible, but I have a question for you. If most of your crew were all first timers and had no clue what they were doing, would you be running some well oiled machine the first time you went to work? Would it not take your men experience on the job to become adequate?

That is how flawed your logic is. The coaches aren't infallible or undeserving of some criticism, but you and a couple other posters are making yourselves look like grade-A idiots.

 

[amazingGRACE]

Why is it people feel the need to lambaste our coaches who have not even had 2 full seasons in their jobs. Are you getting paid millions to coach football? No, I guess they are better than you then, sorry bro.

Coaches coach, players execute, coaches take the blame.

I don't thing Franklin or Muschamp out coached Butch, they simply had better pieces to work with.

1. I've never lambasted the coaches, bro.

2. Who's job is it ultimately to make sure the players are in position to execute correctly?

3. This was the worst Florida team I've ever seen. They were begging us to beat them & looking for ways to hand us the game. You really think Vandy had "better pieces to work with" than we did last year? Lol.

 

[Vols4us]

Why is it people feel the need to lambaste our coaches who have not even had 2 full seasons in their jobs. Are you getting paid millions to coach football? No, I guess they are better than you then, sorry bro.

Coaches coach, players execute, coaches take the blame.

I don't thing Franklin or Muschamp out coached Butch, they simply had better pieces to work with.

Whether you believe it or not is not relevant. It happened. Butch has proven he can recruit as good as any. He has proven he can assemble a great defensive staff that has put together a special unit. He has proven he can handle Special Teams with Elder and get good results. He has not proven anything on offense. #117. He has not proven he can win at a high rate. In fact he has proven that his players are capable of many boneheaded plays in critical situations to lose games.

Nobody is wanting him fired. We want him to be the best coach ever at UT. We want him to make changes that we can all see need to be made if we are honest about the situation. The only way that message goes out is through the media and boosters who they take their cue from social media and empty seats in the stadium.

 

[WinginFlorida]

I agree with that. I'm not talking about the morons in the FF

I think Butch is the guy to lead us back to where we belong, I really do. His recruiting is top notch & as long as he's here we should be bringing in top talent left & right.

I don't think anybody should be fired but Jake really really needs to show some improvement & ability to adapt & take what the defense gives him.

But this past weekend was just a failure on all parts, simple as that. 400 plus VFL's on hand, fans pumped & checkered Neyland, 300 plus recruits on hand, & we come out and lay an egg.

Our defense played they tails off though. I was proud of them.

No question, I'm a big CBJ fan but Saturday was one that got away and never should have. I'm confident the staff and the team realizes this, and applies the lessons learned to the remainder of the season. If they don't, then the criticism will be ratcheted up and I won't argue that it will be more deserved.

Under no circumstances can they give up like the 2012 edition...

 

[amazingGRACE]

No question, I'm a big CBJ fan but Saturday was one that got away and never should have. I'm confident the staff and the team realizes this, and applies the lessons learned to the remainder of the season. If they don't, then the criticism will be ratcheted up and I won't argue that it will be more deserved.

Under no circumstances can they give up like the 2012 edition...

Agreed for sure. Glad you were able to get your point across without throwing out personal jabs my way like some other guys.

I have faith in the staff, my ONLY point about this whole thing was that losing to Florida was a failure on all counts. Not calling for any coaches head. Just making a statement.