'15 FL OT William Sweet

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Phat-Phil said:
If that's how the coaches approached recruiting and made it obvious to every player they they're weren't the top guy on their board at their position then I don't know how they would ever land anyone who wasn't the top player on their board. Jmo.
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IMO recruiting changes as the class starts to fill. When you get to the point where you may want 1 more at a given position, I feel that you may need to make a kid a priority or go all in for that kid at that time. I also feel there is a time to stop pushing for player you have been trying to get but things have not worked out. Looks to me like CBJ wants 1 more OT in 2015. It's my opinion that him cutting loose DR and turning the focus to his next option would have been the smarter play. It looks to me like continuing to recruit/push for DR could in fact cost UT another OT in this class. I could end up being wrong, but it's just what I see playing out at this point.
 
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utvols88 said:
People on this site are crazy lol. I love it
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Yep I love this place. It's so much more active and fun than any other site I've been to. Went over and checked out cockytalk before and after our game (just to read, not to post) and that place is dead compared to VN and the same is true about multiple sites I've been to. No one comes close to VN.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
IMO recruiting changes as the class starts to fill. When you get to the point where you may want 1 more at a given position, I feel that you may need to make a kid a priority or go all in for that kid at that time. I also feel there is a time to stop pushing for player you have been trying to get but things have not worked out. Looks to me like CBJ wants 1 more OT in 2015. It's my opinion that him cutting loose DR and turning the focus to his next option would have been the smarter play. It looks to me like continuing to recruit/push for DR could in fact cost UT another OT in this class. I could end up being wrong, but it's just what I see playing out at this point.
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This makes very little sense. There are several options and directions Butch can choose. This is a simple "decision tree" analysis.

- Butch can tell the first OT (out of the ones they really want the most), gets the spot. (minimal risk)

Speculation seems to say Butch and staff would be happy with any one of DR, Pat Allen, Sweet, or Tyree Louis. I think McGirt is more of a project, Isiah Prince is open and he could be on our board if he is interested as well. Burrell IMO is more of an OG but he looks like he can slide outside to RT but he is inexperienced at OT.

Anyhow all of these guys have UT in their top 3 or 4 choices so again we have several options.

- Butch can wait it out till signing day to see what DR is going to do. (high risk)

- Take no tackles and give the spot to another position (no risk, but questionable decision)

- Take 2 or more OT's (minimal risk, but may cause numbers issues)

This decision is in an uncertain environment so Butch has to make a choice from one of these. I have no idea why your thinking is so limited Leb, apparently you think you know what Butch is doing and the decision he is going to make, yet history shows you are almost always wrong.
 
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Phat-Phil said:
Yep I love this place. It's so much more active and fun than any other site I've been to. Went over and checked out cockytalk before and after our game (just to read, not to post) and that place is dead compared to VN and the same is true about multiple sites I've been to. No one comes close to VN.
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Go to the VandyMania site (Scout) if you want some laughs. I went to read comments after they beat the super powerhouse Old Dominion team. Many of them felt they would sweep the remaining teams on their schedule and get to a bowl game. They play Florida, Miss. State and Tennessee. They apparently looked at Old Dominion as being a UCLA type team. lol
 
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I think your analysis is spot on, chandler. LV's assumption is that DR is a take for us all the way until NSD. Much more likely in my mind that the staff is telling all their remaining OL targets that first to commit gets a spot. I think recruits understand this approach and respond to it. And nothing about this approach keeps the staff from continuing to recruit DR, or any other recruit, as long as necessary. One of the lessons we learned last year was that you should always recruit up until the last possible minute, because you never know when you will have a commit fall off (ie, Orlando Brown) and need to have other options.
 
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LV is a rich Hotel tycoon. Guy is swimming in cash. Routinely toboggans down hills of gold coins in his money silos like Scrooge McDuck.





Haha, just messing with ya LV. You are in the hospitality industry or something right?
 
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chandler bing said:
This makes very little sense. There are several options and directions Butch can choose. This is a simple "decision tree" analysis.

- Butch can tell the first OT (out of the ones they really want the most), gets the spot. (minimal risk)

Speculation seems to say Butch and staff would be happy with any one of DR, Pat Allen, Sweet, or Tyree Louis. I think McGirt is more of a project, Isiah Prince is open and he could be on our board if he is interested as well. Burrell IMO is more of an OG but he looks like he can slide outside to RT but he is inexperienced at OT.

Anyhow all of these guys have UT in their top 3 or 4 choices so again we have several options.

- Butch can wait it out till signing day to see what DR is going to do. (high risk)

- Take no tackles and give the spot to another position (no risk, but questionable decision)

- Take 2 or more OT's (minimal risk, but may cause numbers issues)

This decision is in an uncertain environment so Butch has to make a choice from one of these. I have no idea why your thinking is so limited Leb, apparently you think you know what Butch is doing and the decision he is going to make, yet history shows you are almost always wrong.
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Every. Last. Word. Of. This. Spot on post.
 
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Burrell is not experienced at OT???? What are you drinking?

Burrell plays LT in HS!!!!! And if you watch his video he has excellent feet which is why they play him at LT to cover the QB blind side.

So how is it that Burrell who is 6'5 with good arm length and great quick feet not good enough to play OT! Some of you guys need to back to coaching school!
 
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Phat-Phil said:
If that's how the coaches approached recruiting and made it obvious to every player they they're weren't the top guy on their board at their position then I don't know how they would ever land anyone who wasn't the top player on their board. Jmo.
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He doesn't get it. These kids are essentially being courted by multi-million dollar brands. As an ambassador of your brand, you do whatever it takes if you think you've got a shot at their signature - this is how it's always worked - coaches decide who they want and then the work is put in accordingly. Kids know it (if they don't know they learn quick) and coaches know it.

In the end, coaches may have to resort to prospects lower on their recruiting board whereas on the flipside recruits may find later in the process that their "offers" are not as strong as previously thought so they end up selecting their fourth or fifth favorite choice. Just the name of the game. I think in the real world it's not so much a big deal as we like to make it out to be on a message board. Best not to make a fuss over the kinks when you're getting the royal treatment.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
IMO recruiting changes as the class starts to fill. When you get to the point where you may want 1 more at a given position, I feel that you may need to make a kid a priority or go all in for that kid at that time. I also feel there is a time to stop pushing for player you have been trying to get but things have not worked out. Looks to me like CBJ wants 1 more OT in 2015. It's my opinion that him cutting loose DR and turning the focus to his next option would have been the smarter play. It looks to me like continuing to recruit/push for DR could in fact cost UT another OT in this class. I could end up being wrong, but it's just what I see playing out at this point.
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I think you are correct. We are sitting on 26 commits at this time. It is my understanding that there are several magic numbers in play here.

We can only enroll 24 signed scholarship athletes for 2015. This gives us a full class yearly and would put us at the 85 limit.

To get to the 85 limit, we must have attrition from the current squad numbering 4 (i believe that is the current number).

The total number i am hearing for this years class is 28. The only way we get to 28 is if we use 4 blueshirts(players that are recruited unofficially as walkons till January 2016 when they are awarded scholarships). We have 2 or 3 blueshirts on the current roster.

With the numbers limited, Butch has to concentrate his efforts on specific players. Obviously, we are still in play for many more than 2 (Sapp, Walker, Allen, Richmond, Martin, Reynolds, Phillips just to name a few). There will be attrition of the current commit list to account for the final number.

It's going to be fun to watch how all of this unfolds.
 
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tgardnervol4life said:
Burrell is not experienced at OT???? What are you drinking?

Burrell plays LT in HS!!!!! And if you watch his video he has excellent feet which is why they play him at LT to cover the QB blind side.

So how is it that Burrell who is 6'5 with good arm length and great quick feet not good enough to play OT! Some of you guys need to back to coaching school!
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Burrell may or may not play tackle in college, I'm no OL coach. I do know that a lot of high schools will put their best lineman at LT though.
 
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engineerVOL said:
LV is a rich Hotel tycoon. Guy is swimming in cash. Routinely toboggans down hills of gold coins in his money silos like Scrooge McDuck.





Haha, just messing with ya LV. You are in the hospitality industry or something right?
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Yes.

I buy, flip, and or operate various hotels.
 
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chandler bing said:
This makes very little sense. There are several options and directions Butch can choose. This is a simple "decision tree" analysis.

- Butch can tell the first OT (out of the ones they really want the most), gets the spot. (minimal risk)

Speculation seems to say Butch and staff would be happy with any one of DR, Pat Allen, Sweet, or Tyree Louis. I think McGirt is more of a project, Isiah Prince is open and he could be on our board if he is interested as well. Burrell IMO is more of an OG but he looks like he can slide outside to RT but he is inexperienced at OT.

Anyhow all of these guys have UT in their top 3 or 4 choices so again we have several options.

- Butch can wait it out till signing day to see what DR is going to do. (high risk)

- Take no tackles and give the spot to another position (no risk, but questionable decision)

- Take 2 or more OT's (minimal risk, but may cause numbers issues)

This decision is in an uncertain environment so Butch has to make a choice from one of these. I have no idea why your thinking is so limited Leb, apparently you think you know what Butch is doing and the decision he is going to make, yet history shows you are almost always wrong.
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Sometimes I am wrong. Sometimes I am right. It's recruiting. It happens. :thumbsup:
 
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Remember when Leb said we were only taking 18 recruits? Fast forward and we have 26 committed right now.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I'm just a fan and in following recruiting I have a very good idea that Richmond was the #1 OT CBJ wanted in 2015. Would it be reasonable to think a recruit with much more skin in the game than me would know this as well? Reasonable to think recruits read the same message boards and recruiting services I do? IMO the strongest message CBJ could have sent to an OT recruit he wanted after DR picked Ole Miss would have been to tell that recruit he is who I want and I would not be pushing for DR any longer. Stands to reason if DR was #1 and you're still recruiting him and trying to sign him, he is still you're #1. Tough to sell me on being "you're guy" when I know DR is actually who you want more.

JMO
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