'15 FL QB/WR/DB (anything he wants) Torrance Gibson

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LebanonVolunteer said:
I doubt he would be worried about the competition as I agree he is far and away the best QB today for the class. IMO the concern would be trusting the staff "IF" what has been reported is accurate and that both QBs currently committed have been told they will be it at QB in 2015. With QD committing as quickly as he did, I tend to think he was told him picking UT that weekend closed down the QB position for UT in 2015. Now if the staff tried to add another late, IMO any recruit would then question what he bought into. Even in the cutthroat world that is recruiting, coaches need to be sure not to cut their own throats.
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In reality when we take TG the coaching staff will not have lied. TG is listed as an athlete, not a QB. So the coaches aren't lying about taking another qb. I bet they never said they wouldn't recruit a certain athlete that could play qb.

Also what was the plan on qbs this yr? I'll assume we were going to take 2 regardless, but Riley left and opened up another spot
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I doubt he would be worried about the competition as I agree he is far and away the best QB today for the class. IMO the concern would be trusting the staff "IF" what has been reported is accurate and that both QBs currently committed have been told they will be it at QB in 2015. With QD committing as quickly as he did, I tend to think he was told him picking UT that weekend closed down the QB position for UT in 2015. Now if the staff tried to add another late, IMO any recruit would then question what he bought into. Even in the cutthroat world that is recruiting, coaches need to be sure not to cut their own throats.
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Exactly. I could not have stated it better myself.

Trust is KING in recruiting. If the coaches told the recruits that they would be the only QBs recruited in this class, then the coaches will abide by that promise. If not, they will have broken a promise and the world will get out that these coaches can not be trusted. You think that Butch is getting the kids he has been landing, by telling lies?
 
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VolForLife83 said:
How come in his blog posts and interviews he always says he talks to the coaches ALL THE TIME, and we are RECRUITING HIM THE HARDEST @QB
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If you notice, the kid is all over the place with his comments. That is something to be somewhat concerned about.

Much of what he has been saying is more or less a way to control the debate and preserve his image.

He is a fantastic athlete, but it is rather disconcerting that so many schools have stopped recruiting him hard and in some cases, at all.
 
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VolForLife83 said:
How come in his blog posts and interviews he always says he talks to the coaches ALL THE TIME, and we are RECRUITING HIM THE HARDEST @QB
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No one but the coaches and recruits know what is talked about in those conversations.. These are relationships developed over time.. Friendships are developed which in some cases will continue after the recruiting process is over (even if the recruit doesn't sign)..

That being said, IMO, 'other issues' aside, the only way you pass on an athlete like TG is if you are getting a Sweat, Tuttle, DJ Jones, Baker, etc.. Reason being, IMO, the defensive front seven is where championships are won..
 
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Tux said:
Guys, it is not going to happen.

We have 4 spots left and we could theoretically take up to 7 and recruit over 2-3 current commitments, but those new recruits will be 2 cornerbacks, 2 defensive linemen, a linebacker, a WR, and an offensive tackle.

We are not going to be signing 3 QBs in this class. Get that through your heads.
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We seem to be stockpiling EEs in the 2015 class. Nobody knows how many "spots" we have except CBJ right now.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
If I had to guess? Damage control.

It has been pretty clear though that the coaches continue to recruit kids they would not actually take today. There have been many examples of that already play out.

Also, could it not be TG calling the coaches? What if it's him calling and not so much them calling? I'd guess they still take his calls even if they don't have room for him. It is still July.
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I doubt it's a matter of him calling the coaches. It's usually the other way around. Recruits can't gauge interest if they are the ones calling.

You are just going to have to accept the reality that the situation is fluid. Nothing is set in concrete with most of our recruits. The scenario I think is the most plausible, here, is that CBJ is viewing the situation as having 2 Athletes (JJ and TG) and one QB. Both may get an honest look at QB, but one of them ends up being asked to move to another position.

There is no reason we can't recruit TG as a QB/Athlete, with both of them having that understanding. If they are cool with it, then this whole "only taking 2QB's argument" is irrelevant.
 
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butchna said:
You seem real specific on this...did you actually count and extrapolate that against THE HOURS OF HIS LIFE? :huh: On a totally unrelated note...how many minutes til WAPNER? And do you take any prescription medication?
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are you an excellent driver?uh oh,shorts on the highway...
 
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I'll also add that perhaps the staff hasn't seen enough of TG at QB to get a decent evaluation. They may want to see how well he does this season.

I like Jennings at the QB position, a lot, but it's RARE as frog hair to see a 6'4" safety who has the skills JJ has. So, it's quite possible that CBJ asks him to try that position first. He may be a good QB, but if CBJ and staff think he's a GREAT safety, then I doubt there would be much resistance from JJ, to do that.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Yes, he had.

For a long time I was fine with us signing 1 QB in 2015. It looked like that guy would be Jennings. When Riley walked, taking 2 then very much made sense to me. Riley was a better passing QB. Taking Dormady IMO made a lot of sense as he also fit that mold.
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How could you be fine with only taking one QB in Jennings (who is as raw as any "QB" we are recruiting) after not taking anyone last year and having zero proven QBs on roster?
 
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cncchris33 said:
How could you be fine with only taking one QB in Jennings (who is as raw as any "QB" we are recruiting) after not taking anyone last year and having zero proven QBs on roster?
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Dobbs
Ferguson
Peterman
Jennings

IMO would have been fine. Adding a 2nd QB at that point to the 2015 class would not have helped with your point of "no proven QBs". Taking another "unproven QB" would not have done much in that aspect.

Ferguson moves on, and we add Dormady. Also sets us up with at least a chance to get a 2016 kid. That will give us 5 QBs on scholarship headed into 2016. IMO we would be fine. IF Peterman would decide to transfer, or Dobbs left early, or JJ moves to S, then you look at taking 2 in 2016.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Dobbs
Ferguson
Peterman
Jennings

IMO would have been fine. Adding a 2nd QB at that point to the 2015 class would not have helped with your point of "no proven QBs". Taking another "unproven QB" would not have done much in that aspect.

Ferguson moves on, and we add Dormady. Also sets us up with at least a chance to get a 2016 kid. That will give us 5 QBs on scholarship headed into 2016. IMO we would be fine. IF Peterman would decide to transfer, or Dobbs left early, or JJ moves to S, then you look at taking 2 in 2016.
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I just don't understand the theory of not legitimately addressing the QB situation two years in a row. IMO, Jennings is not the definition of legitimately addressing the QB situation. A guy who has played QB for one season isn't the rock-solid answer. If you take him, and didn't take anyone the year before, you better be hedging your bets by taking a more game-ready guy.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I just don't understand the theory of not legitimately addressing the QB situation two years in a row. IMO, Jennings is not the definition of legitimately addressing the QB situation. A guy who has played QB for one season isn't the rock-solid answer. If you take him, and didn't take anyone the year before, you better be hedging your bets by taking a more game-ready guy.
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My reasoning was mainly based on I did not see any QB taken in 2015 likely to unseat Dobbs and or Ferguson with both having multiple years in the system. Both guys would hold a huge advantage to anyone coming in. Then add in Peterman and the unknown there as we don't really know how he would progress after his limited time last year. That could actually be 3 capable QBs IF the staff develops them. Add a 4th guy in Jennings and IMO we would have been alright heading into 2015.

I wanted to see us land Austin Kendall in 2016. Add him to the group and once again I think we are just fine. You can't just keep adding guys because "you don't know what you got". At some point you have to take the kids you have and develop them. You can't always be looking to sign the next starter because he won't be starting anytime soon.
 
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Tux said:
That's why Butch Jones recruited Quinten Dormady.
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... who didn't play HS football last year.

I hope Butch gets as many potential QBs as possible on campus. Nothing inspires work to improve like competition.

Gibson as an athlete is a take at whatever position he wants to play.
 
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Tux said:
That's why Butch Jones recruited Quinten Dormady.
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Yup. Had Riley not left, I'm not so sure CBJ adds a 2nd QB in 2015. Riley walked and IMO Dormady is a very capable replacement talent wise. Both guys were/are quality passers. That is what we need IMO.
 
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delfonic said:
... who didn't play HS football last year.

I hope Butch gets as many potential QBs as possible on campus. Nothing inspires work to improve like competition.

Gibson as an athlete is a take at whatever position he wants to play.
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Dobbs, Peterman, Dormady, Jennings, and 3-4 walk-ons will inspire competition.
 
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