'15 JUCO CB Justin Martin (UT Signee 2/4/15)

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LittleVol said:
You're on crack if you can't see the skill Moseley has. So what he didnt have an INT. Did you see how many PBUs he had? Did you see his open field tackling ability?

Did you see his speed? His length?
Moseley is as talented as anyone in the east div. So is Martin. And Sutton.
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I didn't see any amazing tackling. He's good, but he had safety help constantly while Cam was locking down the other side. Martin will give him a run for his money. Either will be one of the best backup CB in the country.
 
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jave36 said:
I didn't see any amazing tackling. He's good, but he had safety help constantly while Cam was locking down the other side. Martin will give him a run for his money. Either will be one of the best backup CB in the country.
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I didn't see an amazing play from him all year. Saw a raw athlete with a decent football IQ. Looked like a freshman with good raw ability. Hope he uses his tools well this upcoming year.
 
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tn4elvis said:
BB who you think is better Sutton or VH3.
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I'm not bb but I wouldn't trade Sutton for any other corner in college.
VH3 is great, don't get me wrong, but Cam locks one side of the field down completely similar to the way Richard Sherman does for the Seahawks. I'm in no way saying that Cam is as good as Sherman yet, but they reason he had a "down" year was because people stopped trying to throw it at him. They realized real quick that throwing to that side was bad for their possession of the ball, their players, and their hopes that they picked on whoever was on the other side of the field from Sutton.
 
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AVolforLifenmeZac said:
I'm not bb but I wouldn't trade Sutton for any other corner in college.
VH3 is great, don't get me wrong, but Cam locks one side of the field down completely similar to the way Richard Sherman does for the Seahawks. I'm in no way saying that Cam is as good as Sherman yet, but they reason he had a "down" year was because people stopped trying to throw it at him. They realized real quick that throwing to that side was bad for their possession of the ball, their players, and their hopes that they picked on whoever was on the other side of the field from Sutton.
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I'd day they're pretty similar in coverage, but Sutton helps in run support much better. And Every screen thrown to his side gets blown up. vh3 seems to be a tad better in coverage to me, but nowhere near the run stopper and open field tackler Sutton is.
 
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tn4elvis said:
BB who you think is better Sutton or VH3.
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The Tennessee guy. :)

But both are good. Thing is the best CB in their class probably plays for Clemson. Goes by the name of Mackensie Alexander. Yeah he's straight up balling for them. VH3 is very technical and is always in position. Sutton is a lot more physical and makes just as many if not more plays. So I take the guy with the Orange and White jersey above the Orange/Blue stuff. :)
 
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jave36 said:
I'd day they're pretty similar in coverage, but Sutton helps in run support much better. And Every screen thrown to his side gets blown up. vh3 seems to be a tad better in coverage to me, but nowhere near the run stopper and open field tackler Sutton is.
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I wouldn't say he's that much better. Both have strong points in coverage. VH3 is a bit smoother but Sutton rides WRs a bit more so he doesn't have to be super smooth. Open field tackling is really about equal. Both tackle well, Sutton is a bigger hitter that's it.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
The Tennessee guy. :)

But both are good. Thing is the best CB in their class probably plays for Clemson. Goes by the name of Mackensie Alexander. Yeah he's straight up balling for them. VH3 is very technical and is always in position. Sutton is a lot more physical and makes just as many if not more plays. So I take the guy with the Orange and White jersey above the Orange/Blue stuff. :)
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It sucks that Alexander was committed to the good guys at one point. Can you imagine having him and Sutton? Throw in Vonn Bell too. That's a nasty secondary.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
I wouldn't say he's that much better. Both have strong points in coverage. VH3 is a bit smoother but Sutton rides WRs a bit more so he doesn't have to be super smooth. Open field tackling is really about equal. Both tackle well, Sutton is a bigger hitter that's it.
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I didn't see vh make many plays on running backs at all. I only watched a few of their games though, so I could have missed them. I know cam was better in every stat even with a tougher schedule and worse dline
 
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The Breakerboy said:
I didn't see an amazing play from him all year. Saw a raw athlete with a decent football IQ. Looked like a freshman with good raw ability. Hope he uses his tools well this upcoming year.
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You could tell hes still a lightweight too, i seem to remember a few instances where he got abused by bigger receivers.
 
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spankadelphia said:
Better athlete than Donte Jackson or Kevin Toliver? I'm not sure about that. But the stars and SPARQ ratings mean nothing at this point. Now it's about what they do on the field.
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They might be better true corners at this point but athletically, Martin is better
 
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VolGBO6 said:
They might be better true corners at this point but athletically, Martin is better
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Martin is also a JUCO and further along in his development. Toliver is probably the second best cover corner in the class (behind Marshall) and Jackson is pretty raw at this point, but a phenomenal athlete with huge playmaking potential. We'll probably use him as a returner and put his athleticism to the test.
 
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Phat-Phil said:
IDK...Donte Jackson is extremely athletic as well.
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He is and with his height he's a monster. His HS film showed his elite athleticism when he was in the prep ranks. Donte Jackson is athletic as well but Martin got pressed by Chavis and 'Champ for a reason. His recruitment was very similar to CP84. Teams that don't offer Juco guys at certain positions were after both.
 
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