'15 JUCO WR Camion Patrick

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MockingVol said:
I'll bite. As you know, I'm probably the least PC person on this board, so that is not what bothers me.

Most criminals come from destitute backgrounds and are surrounded by negative influences. As soon as a criminal gets out of prison they oftentimed return to that same negative atmosphere and thus revert to their criminal ways. In the case of a college athlete with poor highschool academics: in highschool they are just passed along because they are stud athletes and No Child Left Behind. They are surrounded by people that tell them academics don't matter. Upon arriving at college (UT) they are put in a program that puts an emphasis on them maintaining grades. It would take someone that is truly mentally impaired to screw it up once they set foot on UT's campus.
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You make some good points about upbringing, so the analogy isn't perfect, although kids with horrendous grades often have them because they were raised in a setting where education doesn't matter, and that doesn't just go away.

The point of the post though was that past poor performance in anything will get you labeled as a risk for future poor performance, even with some brief recent success. "Risk" doesn't mean guaranteed failure, but I guarantee a kid with his talent and better grades coming out of HS would have an offer list a mile long.

The analogy could have been more PC.
 
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jave36 said:
You make some good points about upbringing, so the analogy isn't perfect, although kids with horrendous grades often have them because they were raised in a setting where education doesn't matter, and that doesn't just go away.

The point of the post though was that past poor performance in anything will get you labeled as a risk for future poor performance, even with some brief recent success. "Risk" doesn't mean guaranteed failure, but I guarantee a kid with his talent and better grades coming out of HS would have an offer list a mile long.

The analogy could have been more PC.
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I'm saying that a normal college student and a college athlete are nothing alike. For a normal college student what you are saying is certainly true, but colleges take care of athletes as long as they can qualify.

And yes people with those poor grades generally come from the same background, but they leave that setting once they get to college so they are no longer pulled down by their surroundings.

Also, screw Political Correctness.
 
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jave36 said:
You make some good points about upbringing, so the analogy isn't perfect, although kids with horrendous grades often have them because they were raised in a setting where education doesn't matter, and that doesn't just go away.

The point of the post though was that past poor performance in anything will get you labeled as a risk for future poor performance, even with some brief recent success. "Risk" doesn't mean guaranteed failure, but I guarantee a kid with his talent and better grades coming out of HS would have an offer list a mile long.

The analogy could have been more PC.
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It actually does go away. He will instantly be in an environment where everyone around him is stressing how important his grades are along with a vast academic support system that was not available to him in high school.
 
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CWGvol said:
It doesn't matter when a recruit is added.... The 20 highest rated is what will count as far as the ranking goes. For instance, if your 20th higest rated player was a 3 star and you sign another 4 star, then that 4 star replaces the 3 star in the calculations.
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Thanks for catching that for me. Spot on analysis.
 
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jave36 said:
I'll play along and assume you're actually trying to discuss. If your nephew hit girls multiple times all through HS, then went two years without hitting any, society would still label him as a potential risk for future domestic abuse.

And for the record, Cam is absolutely worth the risk, however small or large that risk might be.
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Yes, if my nephew hits girls all through HS, and then didn't in college for a year, it would still be a major concern

If he makes bad grades all through HS, and then Made A's in JC, it would not be a concern.
 
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I think this kid has worked really hard with one goal in mind; becoming a UT Vol. Also, I don't think Butch would be handing out non-committal offers this late in the game. I feel like as long as all his academic work is in order, he will be a VOL come NSD.
 
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MockingVol said:
I'm saying that a normal college student and a college athlete are nothing alike. For a normal college student what you are saying is certainly true, but colleges take care of athletes as long as they can qualify.

And yes people with those poor grades generally come from the same background, but they leave that setting once they get to college so they are no longer pulled down by their surroundings.

Also, screw Political Correctness.
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You're right, someone who does poorly in HS is not as likely to do poorly in college as a criminal is to return to crime. But surely you'd agree that an athlete who fails a lot of high school classes is considered a risk to do poorly in college, even if the risk isn't as high as a criminal returning to crime?
 
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jave36 said:
You're right, someone who does poorly in HS is not as likely to do poorly in college as a criminal is to return to crime. But surely you'd agree that an athlete who fails a lot of high school classes is considered a risk to do poorly in college, even if the risk isn't as high as a criminal returning to crime?
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I'd consider it a low risk if he had made good grades and showed commitment to his education in JC. Then after a successful semester or two here I would consider there to be no risk. You said he would always be a risk though.
 
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jjay2518 said:
I'd consider it a low risk if he had made good grades and showed commitment to his education in JC. Then after a successful semester or two here I would consider there to be no risk. You said he would always be a risk though.
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Well his school career is over in 2 years, so always = 2 years. I guess you're right that he could go to grad school and 2 years wouldn't be always. I was trying to say coaches would be cognizant/concerned of grade issues with him while he was on the team because of past problems with grades. Always in its true sense (his while life) isn't what I meant so it was probably a wrong choice of word.
 
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BigOrangeVols said:
Can someone catch me up on this kid?
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Most feel pretty confident that now that he's got a committable offer he be a Vol pledge again
 
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jave36 said:
You're right, someone who does poorly in HS is not as likely to do poorly in college as a criminal is to return to crime. But surely you'd agree that an athlete who fails a lot of high school classes is considered a risk to do poorly in college, even if the risk isn't as high as a criminal returning to crime?
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Sure he is still at risk, a lot of those guys just don't quite have it going for them upstairs. But they have opportunity literally shoved down their throat to succeed. As a normal college student I'm kind of jealous, but I don't have to spend all the hours they do working for a sport so it evens out.
 
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RetardedElf said:
Is there anything besides some guy on VolNation saying they are leaving?
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No from what I've read it's all conjecture at this point. Has to be something substantial for me to believe a kid recruiting other guys to tennessee would bail after one year where he actually saw solid action as a freshman.
 
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We really need to get this guy to commit even if he would be able to transfer in 2016. He was my favorite commit in the 2013 class.
 
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Offer due to possible defection of Wharton and Jenkins? Would definitely love to have all three.
 
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I'd like to hear from Notorious or GFW on Camion's situation. If he is being heavily pursued and when he would be Around if he came.
 
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