'15 JUCO WR Camion Patrick

[Dust10]

Ya, that's what I said. Word for word. He's a failure and always will be. Done talking with you, can't have a discussion without responding like a drama queen child.

Speaking of drama queen child, your posts on gameday trump them all.

 

[MockingVol]

The reason this guy is rated like this is because services werent sure if he would even be in this class. Add that to the fact that they aren't that great at rating JUCO's anyways and you come up with his current rating. If he commits to us look for him to get bumped to a 4* pretty soon because dude is legit.

 

[Chuckie]

Grades and character are very different. I worked in higher ed for 3 years, VERY rarely did I see a high school GPA improve by a lot in college. Something like 97% of college GPA are worse than the same student's HS GPA. Do you really not take past performance into consideration when evaluating risk? If a kid fails out of HS, you just pretend it didn't happen and don't assign even a single bit of risk to him for his future education career?

Not mine. 2.97 HS / 3.3 Undergrad / 4.0 MBA

My brain is like wine...it gets better with age (at least until I'm 60 or so!).

 

[jave36]

Not mine. 2.97 HS / 3.3 Undergrad / 4.0 MBA

My brain is like wine...it gets better with age (at least until I'm 60 or so!).

It's not impossible. Just very statistically unlikely. Failing high school doesn't mean you fail college but it means schools will consider you more risky.

 

[joelkthx]

Not mine. 2.97 HS / 3.3 Undergrad / 4.0 MBA

My brain is like wine...it gets better with age (at least until I'm 60 or so!).

3.8 HS - 3.1 undergrad (too much tomfoolery) - 4.0 MBA (stopped being a stupid kid and got serious)

I think past performance is something to consider, but at the same time, every situation is different when it comes to just one individual. Let's just move on.

 

[OrangeHammer]

Just like a criminal who has a history of crime, just because he turns his life around doesn't mean he isn't considered a risk for future crime. Probably an offensive analogy lol

You seriously went there.. cmon man really? Terrible analogy. You're better than that.

 

[jave36]

You seriously went there.. cmon man really? Terrible analogy. You're better than that.

I knew it was a rough one. The parallel is strong but I knew people would be offended that I compared bad grades to crime. You're right shouldn't have been lazy and come up with a better one.

 

[Go Fight Win]

The academic support system under Joe Scogin is night and day different than anything in the history of our football program. As long as he makes it in, he will be in good hands.

 

[TriedAndTrueVOL]

The academic support system under Joe Scogin is night and day different than anything in the history of our football program. As long as he makes it in, he will be in good hands.

Definitely. There's an amazing system in place.

 

[Go Fight Win]

I knew it was a rough one. The parallel is strong but I knew people would be offended that I compared bad grades to crime. You're right shouldn't have been lazy and come up with a better one.

One of the worst analogies I've ever seen in five years on this board. Many criminals end up back in an environment that sets them up for a continued life of crime, whereas Camion will, for the first time in his life, be in an environment that is 100% committed to keeping him on the right track academically, athletically, and for the rest of his career with the RAC program.

 

[Lefteye]

One of the worst analogies I've ever seen in five years on this board. Many criminals end up back in an environment that sets them up for a continued life of crime, whereas Camion will, for the first time in his life, be in an environment that is 100% committed to keeping him on the right track academically, athletically, and for the rest of his career with the RAC program.

100% agree.

But we'll probably be accused of his "analogy" hitting a nerve.

 

[Dust10]

One of the worst analogies I've ever seen in five years on this board. Many criminals end up back in an environment that sets them up for a continued life of crime, whereas Camion will, for the first time in his life, be in an environment that is 100% committed to keeping him on the right track academically, athletically, and for the rest of his career with the RAC program.

But... But... But... Didn't you know that once you're an academic failure, you'll always be an academic failure?!

 

[VolsnCards5]

I knew it was a rough one. The parallel is strong but I knew people would be offended that I compared bad grades to crime. You're right shouldn't have been lazy and come up with a better one.

You need to back and delete if you haven't already

You are Better than that

 

[jave36]

One of the worst analogies I've ever seen in five years on this board. Many criminals end up back in an environment that sets them up for a continued life of crime, whereas Camion will, for the first time in his life, be in an environment that is 100% committed to keeping him on the right track academically, athletically, and for the rest of his career with the RAC program.

Rofl. In admissions, when they are labeling at risk students, they look at GPA and assign a risk based in it. In business/life, when labeling potential risky employees, they look at criminal record and assign a risk, and they don't care if the person has been straight for two years. Whether you like the analogy or think it's offensive, they work similarly.

 

[jave36]

You need to back and delete if you haven't already

You are Better than that

Nope. Logical analogies are used for logic. If you're too PC to ignore the point and just try to make it as if I'm connecting bad grades and criminals, that's your business. The admissions departments and businesses use HS GPA and criminal records, separately of course and respectively, in a similar fashion to assign risk to their respective prospects.

 

[VolsnCards5]

Nope. Logical analogies are used for logic. If you're too PC to ignore the point and just try to make it as if I'm connecting bad grades and criminals, that's your business. The admissions departments and businesses use HS GPA and criminal records, separately of course and respectively, in a similar fashion to assign risk to their respective prospects.

But it's not a logical analogy


At all

 

[jave36]

But it's not a logical analogy


At all

Be specific. I just outlined pretty clearly how the two are used similarly in different areas of life in that both don't just ignore past performance because of recent success.

 

[jspvol76]

The only risk I see is letting Camion go play for someone else. Kid has pro talent.

 

[BGKYVol]

I would argue that, now, we ARE stocked at DE.

Current roster:
Barnett
D mixon
L Lewis
Jakob Johnson (possibly)
Maggitt
Vereen

EEs:
Butcher
Phillips

2015:
D Taylor

9 D-ends is not bad depth. I'm not including DTs in any of this... but we obviously improved that with this recruiting class as well.

Additionally, only one of those DEs listed is a senior and only one is a junior

 

[VolsnCards5]

Be specific. I just outlined pretty clearly how the two are used similarly in different areas of life in that both don't just ignore past performance because of recent success.

Ooh ooh I can play this game too!!

My 4 year old nephew hit girl the other day. Now we're gonna have to watch out for his domestic abuse tendencies for the rest of his life

 

[BGKYVol]

Grades and character are very different. I worked in higher ed for 3 years, VERY rarely did I see a high school GPA improve by a lot in college. Something like 97% of college GPA are worse than the same student's HS GPA. Do you really not take past performance into consideration when evaluating risk? If a kid fails out of HS, you just pretend it didn't happen and don't assign even a single bit of risk to him for his future education career?

Personally, I graduated HS with a GPA of 3.2 (pre advanced placement classes that raise the number) but graduated undergrad with a 3.74 and grad school with a 3.94. College was taking classes that I was interested in that had more relevance to my future goals.
Not saying this is always the case but it does happen.

 

[jave36]

Ooh ooh I can play this game too!!

My 4 year old nephew hit girl the other day. Now we're gonna have to watch out for his domestic abuse tendencies for the rest of his life

I'll play along and assume you're actually trying to discuss. If your nephew hit girls multiple times all through HS, then went two years without hitting any, society would still label him as a potential risk for future domestic abuse.

And for the record, Cam is absolutely worth the risk, however small or large that risk might be.

 

[VolinArizona]

Nope. Logical analogies are used for logic. If you're too PC to ignore the point and just try to make it as if I'm connecting bad grades and criminals, that's your business. The admissions departments and businesses use HS GPA and criminal records, separately of course and respectively, in a similar fashion to assign risk to their respective prospects.

Lolololololililil I love that you have no ability to be open minded that maybe you're wrong.

 

[jave36]

Lolololololililil I love that you have no ability to be open minded that maybe you're wrong.

Elaborate, I can be convinced. All I've seen so far is "how offensive."

 

[MockingVol]

Be specific. I just outlined pretty clearly how the two are used similarly in different areas of life in that both don't just ignore past performance because of recent success.

I'll bite. As you know, I'm probably the least PC person on this board, so that is not what bothers me.

Most criminals come from destitute backgrounds and are surrounded by negative influences. As soon as a criminal gets out of prison they oftentimed return to that same negative atmosphere and thus revert to their criminal ways. In the case of a college athlete with poor highschool academics: in highschool they are just passed along because they are stud athletes and No Child Left Behind. They are surrounded by people that tell them academics don't matter. Upon arriving at college (UT) they are put in a program that puts an emphasis on them maintaining grades. It would take someone that is truly mentally impaired to screw it up once they set foot on UT's campus.