'15 JUCO WR Camion Patrick

[sanddune50]

So if you sign 5 4star DEs with a 4.3 GPA packing to sign a WR that is an issue? When we already have 6 DE's on the team?

You don't get it.

It wasn't even for Patrick anyways. Patrick will more than likely be a 2016 EE. The spot was made available to make room for Kelly today. The staff feels there is a more urgent need at the RB position right now. If anything, getting Phillips in the fold changed the way Ford's recruitment went.

 

[jjay2518]

Actually spoke to a former teammate who is a track athlete at tenn now. Asked him what the deal is on Camion and he said the kid has been all vol since he was a kid and that he heard he's been doing very well in JUCO academic and obviously athletically.


He will be a vol.

He is and always will be a grade risk.

It's usually not smart to use such definitive statements.

 

[jave36]

It's usually not smart to use such definitive statements.

I said risk. And he still is a risk.

 

[Volnerd]

JMO - we dropped Newsome after talking with Patrick. This has nothing to do with Ford.

 

[jjay2518]

I said risk. And he still is a risk.

If the other is true then it's a pretty low risk at this point. Plenty of kids skate by in high school then figure out they need to buckle down in college. So if he posts a solid GPA both semesters of his first year, will he still be a grade risk? I would say no, but it sounds like you would say yes.

 

[Dust10]

I said risk. And he still is a risk.

Stating he will always be a grade risk is possibly an unfair definitive statement. Some kids are slow developing in the classroom A) because they haven't developed the work ethic or B) some people develop slowly mentally or physically.

 

[jave36]

If the other is true then it's a pretty low risk at this point. Plenty of kids skate by in high school then figure out they need to buckle down in college. So if he posts a solid GPA both semesters of his first year, will he still be a grade risk? I would say no, but it sounds like you would say yes.

Passing JuCo classes doesn't make you a non grade risk for sec schools.

 

[Dust10]

Passing JuCo classes doesn't make you a non grade risk for sec schools.

Sooo by doing what he is supposed to do, he is still a grade risk? What else could he have done?

 

[jave36]

Sooo by doing what he is supposed to do, he is still a grade risk? What else could he have done?

If you perform that poorly in high school, you don't all of a sudden stop being a grade risk because you go to a JuCo (one that everyone on here says is dirty when it comes to grades and their football players) and pass their classes. I didn't say we shouldn't take him or he won't be able to pass UT classes, I said he's a risk for bad grades and that's why more teams haven't jumped on him.

Just like a criminal who has a history of crime, just because he turns his life around doesn't mean he isn't considered a risk for future crime. Probably an offensive analogy lol

 

[Go Fight Win]

It's usually not smart to use such definitive statements.

If it's a committable offer, he will be in the Orange and White.

 

[jjay2518]

If it's a committable offer, he will be in the Orange and White.

Sorry, my post was a little vague. I was saying that in response to Jave saying he would always be a grade risk and using your post to show that it sounds like he's turning his academics around.

 

[VolsnCards5]

If it's a committable offer, he will be in the Orange and White.

No way we give out an NCO this late in the game

 

[jjay2518]

If you perform that poorly in high school, you don't all of a sudden stop being a grade risk because you go to a JuCo (one that everyone on here says is dirty when it comes to grades and their football players) and pass their classes. I didn't say we shouldn't take him or he won't be able to pass UT classes, I said he's a risk for bad grades and that's why more teams haven't jumped on him.

Just like a criminal who has a history of crime, just because he turns his life around doesn't mean he isn't considered a risk for future crime. Probably an offensive analogy lol

Saying he's still a grade risk now is fair. Saying no matter what he does he will always be a grade risk is too definitive.

 

[Dust10]

If you perform that poorly in high school, you don't all of a sudden stop being a grade risk because you go to a JuCo (one that everyone on here says is dirty when it comes to grades and their football players) and pass their classes. I didn't say we shouldn't take him or he won't be able to pass UT classes, I said he's a risk for bad grades and that's why more teams haven't jumped on him.

Just like a criminal who has a history of crime, just because he turns his life around doesn't mean he isn't considered a risk for future crime. Probably an offensive analogy lol

I bet you're happy you don't have to be judged by what you did in high school. Seems like he should get the same treatment.

 

[jave36]

If it's a committable offer, he will be in the Orange and White.

Yep. Heard him say it several times that he'll go to UT unless they say no.

 

[jave36]

I bet you're happy you don't have to be judged by what you did in high school. Seems like he should get the same treatment.

Grades and character are very different. I worked in higher ed for 3 years, VERY rarely did I see a high school GPA improve by a lot in college. Something like 97% of college GPA are worse than the same student's HS GPA. Do you really not take past performance into consideration when evaluating risk? If a kid fails out of HS, you just pretend it didn't happen and don't assign even a single bit of risk to him for his future education career?

 

[865dude]

What's the point of an uncommittable offer?

 

[Dust10]

Grades and character are very different. I worked in higher ed for 3 years, VERY rarely did I see a high school GPA improve by a lot in college. Something like 97% of college GPA are worse than the same student's HS GPA. Do you really not take past performance into consideration when evaluating risk? If a kid fails out of HS, you just pretend it didn't happen and don't assign even a single bit of risk to him for his future education career?

I take CURRENT performance into consideration when I'm evaluating risk. If the kid has turned around his academic performance in JUCO, why should I automatically assume he is a continued risk? JUCO kids know what it is like to fail, I'd likely have more faith in a JUCO kid doing what he is supposed to do in the classroom than an 18 year old. Do we know the stats on Juco transfers becoming ineligible v freshmen?

 

[jspvol76]

What's the point of an uncommittable offer?

I would call them "contingent offers", because they normally mean something else has to happen first.

 

[jave36]

I take CURRENT performance into consideration when I'm evaluating risk. If the kid has turned around his academic performance in JUCO, why should I automatically assume he is a continued risk? JUCO kids know what it is like to fail, I'd likely have more faith in a JUCO kid doing what he is supposed to do in the classroom than an 18 year old. Do we know the stats on Juco transfers becoming ineligible v freshmen?

No I don't know those stats, but I seriously doubt a single MS JUCO football player has ever had bad grades while in JuCo. Life doesn't work the way you're acting. Numbers don't lie, and very very rarely do bad HS GPA get better in university classes.

 

[VolsnCards5]

Conspiracy theory backed up by nothing more than wild speculation:

This is a contingency offer in case PW bolts with the possible coaching changes.

 

[Dust10]

No I don't know those stats, but I seriously doubt a single MS JUCO football player has ever had bad grades while in JuCo. Life doesn't work the way you're acting. Numbers don't lie, and very very rarely do bad HS GPA get better in university classes.

Okay, my bad. Self improvement does not occur. Ever. This kid is obviously a failure in the classroom and will always be.

 

[jave36]

Conspiracy theory backed up by nothing more than wild speculation:

This is a contingency offer in case PW bolts with the possible coaching changes.

No way. 1, we need more than one WR this class and every class. 2, Cam is an elite player, and of his grades are there, I can't imagine we'd turn him away regardless of PW

 

[jave36]

Okay, my bad. Self improvement does not occur. Ever. This kid is obviously a failure in the classroom and will always be.

Ya, that's what I said. Word for word. He's a failure and always will be. Done talking with you, can't have a discussion without responding like a drama queen child.

 

[SergeantVol]

Grades and character are very different. I worked in higher ed for 3 years, VERY rarely did I see a high school GPA improve by a lot in college. Something like 97% of college GPA are worse than the same student's HS GPA. Do you really not take past performance into consideration when evaluating risk? If a kid fails out of HS, you just pretend it didn't happen and don't assign even a single bit of risk to him for his future education career?

I beg to differ. I barely graduated HS but had a 4.0 for my undergrad and a 3.35 for my post grad.