'15 SC DE Rasool Clemons (Ole Miss commit)

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BigOrangeD said:
I just know we are filling up and there is a hard cap regardless of how many say we can make room. These guys better get on board soon if they want to be a part of it, because Butch & Co can recruit multiple talented guys at every position.
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Regardless if we fill up quickly, a spot for someone as talented as Sweat will always be open.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
I just know we are filling up and there is a hard cap regardless of how many say we can make room. These guys better get on board soon if they want to be a part of it, because Butch & Co can recruit multiple talented guys at every position.
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You just have to understand some fans are all about the *'s and don't really understand what building a recruiting class entails. Some would tell you that if 9 4-5* DTs wanted to commit, you just take them all. If 7 RBs who were highly rated wanted in, take them all. 8 DEs with multiple SEC offers want to sign? Take all 8 and your recruiting class is full. Yup, top 3 baby! All 4-5* studs!

No QBs, WRs, TEs, OL, LBS, STs, CBs, Ss, but we top 5 suckas! :crazy:
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
You just have to understand some fans are all about the *'s and don't really understand what building a recruiting class entails. Some would tell you that if 9 4-5* DTs wanted to commit, you just take them all. If 7 RBs who were highly rated wanted in, take them all. 8 DEs with multiple SEC offers want to sign? Take all 8 and your recruiting class is full. Yup, top 3 baby! All 4-5* studs!

No QBs, WRs, TEs, OL, LBS, STs, CBs, Ss, but we top 5 suckas! :crazy:
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:good!:
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Regardless if we fill up quickly, a spot for someone as talented as Sweat will always be open.
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Why does it look like there won't be a spot for Sweat? Because Sweat is not really in play. I'd guess with the coaches taking LS's, P's, and local kids they think can contribute point to the staff already knows this. The fans just need to pay closer attention and they would as well. :good!:
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Why does it look like there won't be a spot for Sweat? Because Sweat is not really in play. I'd guess with the coaches taking LS's, P's, and local kids they think can contribute point to the staff already knows this. The fans just need to pay closer attention and they would as well. :good!:
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You just don't get it. It's not about focusing on a players stars either. It's just seeing their talent. Sweat is one of the most talented and freakish athletes that's come around since Clowney. If Sweat waited until NSD to commit, he would still have his pick of schools. That includes Tennessee.

Another thing you fail to realize is guys get recruited over and offers get pulled. It happens every year. It doesn't matter if it's an instate kid or not. CBJ wants the best players he can get. Coaches also recruit players for insurance policies. Regardless if you believe that or not. But hey keep on believing what you will.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You just don't get it. It's not about focusing on a players stars either. It's just seeing their talent. Sweat is one of the most talented and freakish athletes that's come around since Clowney. If Sweat waited until NSD to commit, he would still have his pick of schools. That includes Tennessee.

Another thing you fail to realize is guys get recruited over and offers get pulled. It happens every year. It doesn't matter if it's an instate kid or not. CBJ wants the best players he can get. Coaches also recruit players for insurance policies. Regardless if you believe that or not. But hey keep on believing what you will.
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Until I see CBJ yanking instate kids offers when they have done nothing but represented UT well, I will. :thumbsup:
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Until I see CBJ yanking instate kids offers when they have done nothing but represented UT well, I will. :thumbsup:
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I am all for representing the university of Tennessee but when it comes down to it all that matters is wins. If pulling a 5 star stud means cutting an instate kid loose so be it.
 
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thetennlegend said:
I am all for representing the university of Tennessee but when it comes down to it all that matters is wins. If pulling a 5 star stud means cutting an instate kid loose so be it.
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In reality I would agree. My whole point has been that with CBJ taking kids like Bruce which are more role type players who will fight their tail of for Tennessee, it tells me guys like Sweat who "room will be made for" is not actually in play as much as the fans want to think they are. IF CBJ felt there were a half dozen 5* kids waiting to commit to UT, he would not have taken the role type kids he has. Fans see UT in Sweat's top 5 and it's party time. The problem is that top 5 is really a top 1-2 and the UT coaches know this. IMO as of today CBJ knows who will fill the last few spots for this years class. If he didn't, there would be less commitments today.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
In reality I would agree. My whole point has been that with CBJ taking kids like Bruce which are more role type players who will fight their tail of for Tennessee, it tells me guys like Sweat who "room will be made for" is not actually in play as much as the fans want to think they are. IF CBJ felt there were a half dozen 5* kids waiting to commit to UT, he would not have taken the role type kids he has. Fans see UT in Sweat's top 5 and it's party time. The problem is that top 5 is really a top 1-2 and the UT coaches know this. IMO as of today CBJ knows who will fill the last few spots for this years class. If he didn't, there would be less commitments today.
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I agree that CBJ knows who he will fill this class with. But say sweat visits and falls in love with ut late in the process someone is getting dropped.
 
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thetennlegend said:
I agree that CBJ knows who he will fill this class with. But say sweat visits and falls in love with ut late in the process someone is getting dropped.
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And instead of saying names... 3 stars will be the ones considered. I know Vol Nation thinks 3 stars are the best! We point to how many Bama gets, how many go to the NFL... Sadly 3 stars, are well, 3 stars. Someone always brings up the examples how good 3 stars can turn out to be. Heck, Chris Johnson was a 2 star (I know I will get many other examples like Cam Sutton). They're are an inordinate amount of 3 stars that stink because they are plain and simple scouted accordingly. However, 3 stars have a much bigger sample size. I would be willing to bet 5 and 4 stars have a much higher (serious) success rate (all conference, pro bowl... I know, of course they will) than 3 stars on avg if all the stats, numbers, and averages are put into play. More often than not, 2 and 3 star players are not good in regards with major conferences. Just telling like it is, as the SEC results the last decade can't be wrong. Statistics are Statistics. Hoo, boy... As usual bring on the few wonder 2 and 3 star players and all the 4 and 5 star players that were busts... I am sure the statistics on the whole sample size will say to take 2 and 3 star players without question!
 
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kw3953 said:
And instead of saying names... 3 stars will be the ones considered. I know Vol Nation thinks 3 stars are the best! We point to how many Bama gets, how many go to the NFL... Sadly 3 stars, are well, 3 stars. Someone always brings up the examples how good 3 stars can turn out to be. Heck, Chris Johnson was a 2 star (I know I will get many other examples like Cam Sutton). They're are an inordinate amount of 3 stars that stink because they are plain and simple scouted accordingly. However, 3 stars have a much bigger sample size. I would be willing to bet 5 and 4 stars have a much higher (serious) success rate (all conference, pro bowl... I know, of course they will) than 3 stars on avg if all the stats, numbers, and averages are put into play. More often than not, 2 and 3 star players are not good in regards with major conferences. Just telling like it is, as the SEC results the last decade can't be wrong. Statistics are Statistics. Hoo, boy... As usual bring on the few wonder 2 and 3 star players and all the 4 and 5 star players that were busts... I am sure the statistics on the whole sample size will say to take 2 and 3 star players without question!
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There is 1 very big difference in random 3*'s listed on the services and the ones CBJ decided to take commitments from. The difference is, CBJ took them to be Vols.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
You just have to understand some fans are all about the *'s and don't really understand what building a recruiting class entails. Some would tell you that if 9 4-5* DTs wanted to commit, you just take them all. If 7 RBs who were highly rated wanted in, take them all. 8 DEs with multiple SEC offers want to sign? Take all 8 and your recruiting class is full. Yup, top 3 baby! All 4-5* studs!

No QBs, WRs, TEs, OL, LBS, STs, CBs, Ss, but we top 5 suckas! :crazy:
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Minus the no QBs, coaches Fulmer and Chavis would have taken that scenario in a heartbeat... Once on campus, the best stayed at their recruited position. Then the shifts would happen to LB, OL, safety, TE, and even WR. Will recruit QBs, WRs and CBs next year...

Take the best and it worked well for them for a decade of dominance :)
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
Minus the no QBs, coaches Fulmer and Chavis would have taken that scenario in a heartbeat... Once on campus, the best stayed at their recruited position. Then the shifts would happen to LB, OL, safety, TE, and even WR. Will recruit QBs, WRs and CBs next year...

Take the best and it worked well for them for a decade of dominance :)
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20 years ago a lot more kids played both ways in HS. A lot of RBs played LB. A lot of WRs played CB. A lot of the OL/DL guys played both sides of the ball. Yes, here and there some still do now a days but for the most part kids are more specialized now. With all the recruiting services and "rankings" meaning so much, a kid who is trying to focus on multiple positions could struggle to be great at one. Recruiting has changed and IMO so to has the methods in building a class.
 
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Maybe I'm a fool, but I'm going to wait for official full CBJ recruiting class 2.0 and maybe 3.0 before I make dogmatic predictions about what is going to happen.


"Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise;
when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent." - Proverbs 17:28
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
20 years ago a lot more kids played both ways in HS. A lot of RBs played LB. A lot of WRs played CB. A lot of the OL/DL guys played both sides of the ball. Yes, here and there some still do now a days but for the most part kids are more specialized now. With all the recruiting services and "rankings" meaning so much, a kid who is trying to focus on multiple positions could struggle to be great at one. Recruiting has changed and IMO so to has the methods in building a class.
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Where sure you had to bring up the whole age and time factor didn't you? :)

How is the VolNation "Big Orange Suites" concept progressing?
 
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WarMachine said:
Maybe I'm a fool, but I'm going to wait for official full CBJ recruiting class 2.0 and maybe 3.0 before I make dogmatic predictions about what is going to happen.


"Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise;
when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent." - Proverbs 17:28
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Proverbs 17:28 would absolutely destroy VN.

Actually Proverbs 17:28 would basically shut down the entire Internet if it were followed. :)
 
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I don't know why people are so concerned about his weight. It's not like he is going to be expected to contribute his first year with guys like Butcher, Phillips, and Jackson in the same class plus Henderson, Hendrix, Barnett, Vickers, and Miller from the previous two.
 
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