'16 AL WR Velus Jones (Transfer)

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BruinVol said:
I don't agree

This is the first class butch has put together where the recruits know without a doubt that immediate opportunities to start aren't there

The sales pitch has to change and it appears it's been a bit of a transition
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Plus two pretty big factors in our good 2014 and 2015 classes were great in state talent and a load of legacy recruits. There is only one legacy in the mix this year and in state talent isn't what it was in previous years.

Combine that with fewer spots we have to offer and a depth chart already full with 2014 and 2015 recruits and it's like the perfect storm for a bit of a down year for us recruiting.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Plus two pretty big factors in our good 2014 and 2015 classes were great in state talent and a load of legacy recruits. There is only one legacy in the mix this year and in state talent isn't what it was in previous years.

Combine that with fewer spots we have to offer and a depth chart already full with 2014 and 2015 recruits and it's like the perfect storm for a bit of a down year for us recruiting.
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Yes it a combination of all the things mentioned

This "trend" doesn't worry me in the leas because next year at this time we are going to be the talk of college football
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Its kind of strange that recruiting would be struggling a little after another season of improvement.
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Not at the WR position....not when you look at how poor our passing game was this year, especially in comparison to OU's...

Mayfield- 3400 yards, 69% completion rate, 35 tds, 5 ints

Dobbs- 2100 yds, 60% completion rate, 15 tds, 5 ints

If you were a top WR, where would be more likely to go? Which system and QB would you rather play for? The truth hurts here.
 
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BruinVol said:
I don't agree

This is the first class butch has put together where the recruits know without a doubt that immediate opportunities to start aren't there

The sales pitch has to change and it appears it's been a bit of a transition
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it could be a bit of both sides. We need guys willing to put in work and not want to transfer because they aren't a freshman all American like they dreamed then transfer. So staff could also move on from certain guys they think are development guys coming in at a position of strength that may be telling them oh I need to start day 1 or have a chance because that person will just transfer of its not likely
 
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KBVol said:
Not at the WR position....not when you look at how poor our passing game was this year, especially in comparison to OU's...

Mayfield- 3400 yards, 69% completion rate, 35 tds, 5 ints

Dobbs- 2100 yds, 60% completion rate, 15 tds, 5 ints

If you were a top WR, where would be more likely to go? Which system and QB would you rather play for? The truth hurts here.
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As much as I love what Dobbs brings to the table, we need a passer back there. A good throw game will open up running lanes too.
 
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Go Fight Win said:
The last thing I've heard was that we lead
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KBVol said:
Not at the WR position....not when you look at how poor our passing game was this year, especially in comparison to OU's...

Mayfield- 3400 yards, 69% completion rate, 35 tds, 5 ints

Dobbs- 2100 yds, 60% completion rate, 15 tds, 5 ints

If you were a top WR, where would be more likely to go? Which system and QB would you rather play for? The truth hurts here.
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So you're arguing that no top WR should come to Tennessee because Dobbs' stats weren't as good as the 2nd best Quarterback in the country and the man who finished 4th in the Heisman voting? By that standard, no WR should even consider 126 out of the 128 schools in FBS football. The only schools they should consider would be Clemson and Oklahoma.

Smart recruits (e.g. recruits who think more rationally than you) look at the big picture. They ask what is the program's future? What QB will I likely be working with? How do I get along with the coaching staff? Can this school compete at a high level?

Even if you're going to look at Dobbs' stats, you might put them into some context. He was the 4th best QB in the SEC this season and his passing stats were certainly in the top half of the league. Worth noting that 2 of the 3 QBs ahead of him were graduating Seniors, as well. Dobbs certainly needs to improve on his deep and intermediate passes, but sort of silly to act like he's some scrub.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
So you're arguing that no top WR should come to Tennessee because Dobbs' stats weren't as good as the 2nd best Quarterback in the country and the man who finished 4th in the Heisman voting? By that standard, no WR should even consider 126 out of the 128 schools in FBS football. The only schools they should consider would be Clemson and Oklahoma.

Smart recruits (e.g. recruits who think more rationally than you) look at the big picture. They ask what is the program's future? What QB will I likely be working with? How do I get along with the coaching staff? Can this school compete at a high level?

Even if you're going to look at Dobbs' stats, you might put them into some context. He was the 4th best QB in the SEC this season and his passing stats were certainly in the top half of the league. Worth noting that 2 of the 3 QBs ahead of him were graduating Seniors, as well. Dobbs certainly needs to improve on his deep and intermediate passes, but sort of silly to act like he's some scrub.
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I see what you're getting at, but I think he made a solid point as well. Jones is picking between OU and UT, so those are the only two schools relevant to the conversation. If I'm a WR looking at both situations, I see OU as the school that has a system that has proven it will put up gaudy passing stats, has a QB who has shown he can sling it around the field, and is about to put their number one WR into the NFL and lose their 3rd leading receiver to graduation.


If I look at UT, I see a system that hasn't proven it will put up impressive passing stats, has a QB that hasn't shown he can consistently get the ball to me, and has taken in multiple 4 and 5 star WRs over the past three years without having produced even a 700 yard receiver once.

OU's top 3 receivers all have more yards than our leading receiver. Why would a WR want to come play for us right now over OU?

Edit: Also, FTR, Dobbs was 71st in the NCAA in passing this season by yards, 73rd by passer rating. He was 7th in the SEC in both. So he wasn't in the top half of the league in either.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I see what you're getting at, but I think he made a solid point as well. Jones is picking between OU and UT, so those are the only two schools relevant to the conversation. If I'm a WR looking at both situations, I see OU as the school that has a system that has proven it will put up gaudy passing stats, has a QB who has shown he can sling it around the field, and is about to put their number one WR into the NFL and lose their 3rd leading receiver to graduation.
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OU is a great school with great coaches, but it's sort of misguided to judge a school based solely on one year of play with a Heisman contending QB. This is like looking at a stock and seeing it's up 300% over the past year and automatically assuming "it's a strong buy!"

OU's top 3 receivers all have more yards than our leading receiver. Why would a WR want to come play for us right now over OU?
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Why would a QB want to play for run-heavy Arkansas? Why would a DT want to play for 3-4 Alabama? Why would a RB want to play for pass-happy Mike Leach? Maybe because many players are concerned about more than stats. NFL scouts aren't typically judging players solely on stats, otherwise, every Mike Leach coached QB would've been picked 1st in the draft for several years.

Edit: Also, FTR, Dobbs was 71st in the NCAA in passing this season by yards, 73rd by passer rating. He was 7th in the SEC in both. So he wasn't in the top half of the league in either.
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There are 14 teams in the SEC. 7th would be in the "top half" of the SEC.
 
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Here's the thing that Oklahoma system is very WR friendly. Butch has proven at TENNESSEE that he can/will run the ball. We're very attractive to RBs right now. WRs are used but not featured in this offense.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
OU is a great school with great coaches, but it's sort of misguided to judge a school based solely on one year of play with a Heisman contending QB. This is like looking at a stock and seeing it's up 300% over the past year and automatically assuming "it's a strong buy!"



Why would a QB want to play for run-heavy Arkansas? Why would a DT want to play for 3-4 Alabama? Why would a RB want to play for pass-happy Mike Leach? Maybe because many players are concerned about more than stats. NFL scouts aren't typically judging players solely on stats, otherwise, every Mike Leach coached QB would've been picked 1st in the draft for several years.



There are 14 teams in the SEC. 7th would be in the "top half" of the SEC.
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You got me on the SEC thing. Brain fart!

But all the other examples you're giving aren't really relevant. The discussion is why would a WR pick UT over OU now, and there's no on the field reason they would. Lincoln Riley's system has pretty consistently cranked out impressive passing games. Even in the the rough years OU's passing game has seen recently, their WRs have greatly out produced ours.

You're right that there's more to a recruitment than stats, but WRs like to get theirs and our offense has not shown that it can feed WRs and get them very involved yet.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Here's the thing that Oklahoma system is very WR friendly. Butch has proven at TENNESSEE that he can/will run the ball. We're very attractive to RBs right now. WRs are used but not featured in this offense.
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This was a much more succinct version of the point I was trying to make.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Here's the thing that Oklahoma system is very WR friendly. Butch has proven at TENNESSEE that he can/will run the ball. We're very attractive to RBs right now. WRs are used but not featured in this offense.
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Is that the offensive philosophy, or has the offense been tailored to hide Dobbs weaknesses.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Here's the thing that Oklahoma system is very WR friendly. Butch has proven at TENNESSEE that he can/will run the ball. We're very attractive to RBs right now. WRs are used but not featured in this offense.
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Then why aren't they breaking down our doors. Where are the 5*'s? :hi:
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
You got me on the SEC thing. Brain fart!

But all the other examples you're giving aren't really relevant. The discussion is why would a WR pick UT over OU now, and there's no on the field reason they would. Lincoln Riley's system has pretty consistently cranked out impressive passing games. Even in the the rough years OU's passing game has seen recently, their WRs have greatly out produced ours.

You're right that there's more to a recruitment than stats, but WRs like to get theirs and our offense has not shown that it can feed WRs and get them very involved yet.
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Oklahoma , Mayfield completed 19 of 39 attempted passes for 187 yards against us. Most of that was at the end of the game. Yes against an SEC defense they look below average. I don't know if this is true but I heard someone say that UGA's passing defense was pretty good. We threw for over 300 yards and ran 90 plays against them. BTW UGA ran 62 plays i think. I will take our offense any day over Oklahoma's. If we have to we can pass. I like our balanced philosophy better. It's more consistent and harder to defend. Playing to our QB's strengths is what good coaches do. Just look at Butch's past offences statistics. There are years where there are more rushing yards and then there are years where there are more passing yards.
 
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