'16 D.C. DE/TE Devante Brooks (UT commit 1/15/15)

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wmcovol said:
Very good chance he gray shirts. It would be best for him but I understand him wanting to sign now and get started.

God doesn't bless us all with sturdy knees, great eyes, fast feet or long arms. It is what it is. Hopefully he will take his time and get healthy and strong. Jmo
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He would be crazy to take a GS. If he doesn't progress then he might not get in at all. Kid isn't taking a GS. Silly to even suggest it.
 
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When healthy, this kid is a freak and a matchup problem. Hopefully we get to see him at full speed.
 
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LouderVol said:
link?

4-Star Tennessee Recruit Devante Brooks Tears ACL | College Spun
the link I am using has a tweet from him saying he did tear it again. and iirc he had another surgery and no surgeon would touch a previously operated on knee that hadn't healed correctly, way too much liability on whose work is was. jmo on the last part, and I hope we redshirt him and let that thing heal up. if it was his first, ok, second makes me nervous. jmo, imo, 2cents, bbq
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I had to do some digging - I knew I read it somewhere.

Guarantano to lead Tennessee's 2016 recruits - The Daily Beacon: Sports

"In a recent discussion with the Washington D.C. native, Brooks told The Daily Beacon he will also miss his senior season after finding out the injury hasn’t quite healed the way he hoped.
“Based on what most of the doctors have said, my ACL isn’t present in the knee,” Brooks said. “The first time you saw the two end-pieces on the MRI which clearly show the ACL has torn, but this time the ACL isn’t present at all.”
 
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Reminds me of the TE out of NC we signed few yrs ago that came in with bad knees and gave it up after a yr or 2. I dont remember him ever playing either
 
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Kristy* said:
I had to do some digging - I knew I read it somewhere.

Guarantano to lead Tennessee's 2016 recruits - The Daily Beacon: Sports

"In a recent discussion with the Washington D.C. native, Brooks told The Daily Beacon he will also miss his senior season after finding out the injury hasn’t quite healed the way he hoped.
“Based on what most of the doctors have said, my ACL isn’t present in the knee,” Brooks said. “The first time you saw the two end-pieces on the MRI which clearly show the ACL has torn, but this time the ACL isn’t present at all.”
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Ok, I know injury is never good, but compared to what is being discussed, is this a good thing or bad?
 
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volnpowell said:
Ok, I know injury is never good, but compared to what is being discussed, is this a good thing or bad?
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Don't know. Doesn't sound good to me. But if it were career ending, I'd think we would have dropped him. And it does sound positive that he was expected to be fully ready to play this summer. And that it wasn't re-injured, per se.

Brooks is supposed to be a freak athlete. I really hope he can get past this injury and have a long career.
 
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This kid is a freak athlete and a size ready college tight end. Scary potential and a risk worth taking.
 
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You give him the extra year so he is 2 years removed from football to insure the graft is fully healed along with the strength of the knee being strong in general. They usually take a piece of the patella tendon to make the ACL. He should be good to go if there are no complications.

Mathien at KOC did mine 18+ years ago. It is a strong and stable as the non-repaired knee.
 
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Dust10 said:
Gotta disagree about Gronk's blocking ability. He is a beast and can truck fools. They just don't ask him to do it often because their run game is inept and he is such a weapon catching the ball.
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I agree if you're talking about downfield blocking, but he gets blown by on the line a lot.
 
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Kristy* said:
I had to do some digging - I knew I read it somewhere.

Guarantano to lead Tennessee's 2016 recruits - The Daily Beacon: Sports

"In a recent discussion with the Washington D.C. native, Brooks told The Daily Beacon he will also miss his senior season after finding out the injury hasn’t quite healed the way he hoped.
“Based on what most of the doctors have said, my ACL isn’t present in the knee,” Brooks said. “The first time you saw the two end-pieces on the MRI which clearly show the ACL has torn, but this time the ACL isn’t present at all.”
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sounds like he re-tore it. I got before and after shots of mine, I would assume he would have too. it was fixed, then it was re-tore though the being gone thing sounds really bad. which is why you shouldn't mess around on it in the first place. I got clear instructions on mine, tear it again and it will be worse than the first time.


*btw not trying to be argumentative, just passing on some personal experience with the same injury.

** also I remember some actual doctors commenting on injuries before, maybe we can get their opinion as they would know better.
 
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I would hope Butch has asked for X rays and asked team Dr about it before sticking with him. Nothing against Brooks, just no reason to make knee worse by trying to play at this level, just too physical imo.
 
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Are universities allowed / permitted to put recruits through medical examinations (e.g., X-Ray, MRI, etc.) when they are on campus visiting (assuming the prospective student athlete agreed to it)?
 
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From everything I have read/heard, when an ACL is torn a successful repair should leave the knee as strong or stronger than it was before.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Are universities allowed / permitted to put recruits through medical examinations (e.g., X-Ray, MRI, etc.) when they are on campus visiting (assuming the prospective student athlete agreed to it)?
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I did think of that, but I thought since teams have dropped players before after injuries, I assumed that was why they did. Not sure though.
 
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Vols4us said:
You give him the extra year so he is 2 years removed from football to insure the graft is fully healed along with the strength of the knee being strong in general. They usually take a piece of the patella tendon to make the ACL. He should be good to go if there are no complications.

Mathien at KOC did mine 18+ years ago. It is a strong and stable as the non-repaired knee.
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I thought in athletes they used a cadaver tendon to reduce extra trama to the knee.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I thought in athletes they used a cadaver tendon to reduce extra trama to the knee.
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My daughter (HS varsity soccer player, so say what you want about how athletic that is) has ACL surgery scheduled for February 18th. Orthopedist is using 1/3 of her patella tendon for the new ACL in her right knee. He claims it will be a stronger ligament than the compromised one.
 
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logginlarry said:
My daughter (HS varsity soccer player, so say what you want about how athletic that is) has ACL surgery scheduled for February 18th. Orthopedist is using 1/3 of her patella tendon for the new ACL in her right knee. He claims it will be a stronger ligament than the compromised one.
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Someone told me several years ago that using cadaver tendons cut the rehab time down significantly. I don't know if that still holds true. I've never had an ACL issue fortunately. My issue has been my Achilles tendon. 😤

And while I'm not a soccer fan myself, they are tremendous athletes.
 
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norrislakevol said:
From everything I have read/heard, when an ACL is torn a successful repair should leave the knee as strong or stronger than it was before.
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1. if the surgery takes, which it doesn't always
2. and usually it takes a year plus for it to actually be considered stronger. please no debate about some super athlete healing in 6 months. It didn't happen here.
3. Could be bad ligaments (or something else) all around so "stronger" still may not be strong enough.

again imo, jmo etc etc
 
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Yes, this is a long process. My father had every ligament in his knee torn, but the longest one to heal was the ACL. It took a lot of time, effort, and money to fix his shredded knee. It will take less time for Brooks, but I've seen first hand how frustrating it is. My father got the cadaver ligaments in his knee, and that was pretty much his only option.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Someone told me several years ago that using cadaver tendons cut the rehab time down significantly. I don't know if that still holds true. I've never had an ACL issue fortunately. My issue has been my Achilles tendon. 😤

And while I'm not a soccer fan myself, they are tremendous athletes.
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Allografts (cadaver tendons) seem to
Cut down rehab time becuase patients tend to feel better quicker (since the graft isn't harvested from their own body). But there are studies that show the allograft actually has a delayed incorporation in the knee, which means even though the patient feel ready to go back to sport more quickly, there is potential that the graft has not taken like an autograft (patellar, hamstring self donation) does.

Many MDs chooses autograft for initial surgeries and allografts if there is failure of that.
 
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Accelerated ACL rehab programs are all the rage for athletes right. Unfortunately, it is beginning to look like this is not a good idea

studies are showing that soft tissue to bone healing takes longer than initially thought (longer than bone to bone healing). There is a phenomena called "tunnel widening" that is being taken more seriously than before. Basically, the tunnel made in the bone where the ACL is grafted widens own its own during the months after surgery. This obviously is not a good sign. There is some conjecture that accelerated rehab programs may facilitate this widening.
 
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