'16 FL WR Binjimen Victor (Ohio State commit)

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bowlinggreenvol said:
Well that was the premise most have said as to why a SoFL kid would choose to live there. You can get the same exposure, same education, same winning opportunities in much better places.
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Believe it or not, not everyone likes extreme heat and humidity 9 months out of the year.

Some also are terrified of hurricanes.

Some dislike the bugs.

I enjoy Florida but also enjoy many other places in the US also.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Well that was the premise most have said as to why a SoFL kid would choose to live there. You can get the same exposure, same education, same winning opportunities in much better places.
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There are 2 schools you can go to in order to have a chance to play for one of the top 2 coaches in the country (they also happen to be where the only 2 cfp trophies live). As other posters have said, there are many reasons to go to a place like osu besides the weather.

Believe it or not, there are schools with worse or equivalent weather to Ohio.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Believe it or not, not everyone likes extreme heat and humidity 9 months out of the year.

Some also are terrified of hurricanes.

Some dislike the bugs.

I enjoy Florida but also enjoy many other places in the US also.
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Believe it or not most native Floridians hate the cold as well. I wish more Yankees hated the heat, skeeters and hurricanes so we could take back our state. My dad's side of the family came to FL in 1846 (1 yr after statehood) from south GA and every time I go back home I get to hear my grandfather ***** about Yankees everywhere. Side note: I mentioned one time that most states up north require a license plate on the front and rear of a car and rhetorically asked why? My grandfather's answer was "theyre Yankees, why do they do anything they do?" I couldn't help but laugh.
 
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Jbawjbaw said:
There are 2 schools you can go to in order to have a chance to play for one of the top 2 coaches in the country (they also happen to be where the only 2 cfp trophies live). As other posters have said, there are many reasons to go to a place like osu besides the weather.

Believe it or not, there are schools with worse or equivalent weather to Ohio.
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And you don't see many southern/Floridian athletes heading to those places, when they have equivalent options. I believe my comment has been taken with a little too much seriousness. As a native Floridian, who gladly welcomes 90+ as often as it wants to stick around, I simply get a kick out of a Haitian from Dade Co. willingly moving up north for 4 years.

Saw a quote once that sums up my sentiments, "say what you want about the South, but no one is retiring to the North".
 
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I hear you BG, it is freakin 18 degrees outside, and expecting a nasty storm tomorrow with snow and freezing rain..I hate the weather. I've spent ten out of the last 15 years in Tampa Bay. Winters there are just about as close to perfect as you can get. And I didn't mind the heat and humidity in summer.
 
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Jbawjbaw said:
There are 2 schools you can go to in order to have a chance to play for one of the top 2 coaches in the country (they also happen to be where the only 2 cfp trophies live). As other posters have said, there are many reasons to go to a place like osu besides the weather.

Believe it or not, there are schools with worse or equivalent weather to Ohio.
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Don't care and there will be a third city with a cfp trophy next year in Knoxville
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I hear you BG, it is freakin 18 degrees outside, and expecting a nasty storm tomorrow with snow and freezing rain..I hate the weather. I've spent ten out of the last 15 years in Tampa Bay. Winters there are just about as close to perfect as you can get. And I didn't mind the heat and humidity in summer.
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I'm "lucky" enough to live south of I-40 so we rarely get snow; just ice that shuts us down for days. Calling for a 1/4 inch of ice for us out of this mess. Talked to a colleague in Paris this evening and he says its already getting bad in west TN.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Believe it or not most native Floridians hate the cold as well. I wish more Yankees hated the heat, skeeters and hurricanes so we could take back our state. My dad's side of the family came to FL in 1846 (1 yr after statehood) from south GA and every time I go back home I get to hear my grandfather ***** about Yankees everywhere. Side note: I mentioned one time that most states up north require a license plate on the front and rear of a car and rhetorically asked why? My grandfather's answer was "theyre Yankees, why do they do anything they do?" I couldn't help but laugh.
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What is a native Floridian?
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
What is a native Floridian?
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An endangered species. Today there's likely more FL panthers than natives.

I'll answer in all seriousness, whether your question was a serious one or not. Obviously anyone born there would technically be a "native". However, I would consider it to be someone who has familial roots in the state pre-dating WWII.

Henry Flagler started the northern migration and the Land Boom of the 1920's took it to another level, until the depression halted things. Then after the War it picked up again and hasn't been the same. I was the 6th generation to be born there, very few can say that today.
 
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BaldBiker said:
This is not a bash at all, just a curious question. Why do you feel this way about DeBord?

I'll start. I actually like the guy. Does he have some room for improvement? Of course, but that also happens to be one of the things I like about him. He seems to understand that, and makes changes accordingly.

There have been articles written and video breakdowns on his calling of the Northwestern game and how he completely dismantled what was suppose to be one of the better defenses in the country.

This seems like it would be a good topic of conversation......if we could get people to do it without going into name calling. Up to this point I don't think that has happened though....lol.
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Seems like a harmless enough response. No animosity here. I agree with you that the NW game left a good impression heading into next year for our offensive capability. I believe that NW defense was good, although probably not as good as their ranking might've indicated -- definitely good though. I also think the vandy D we dismantled was really good (similar defenses actually). Prior to the UT game, vandy's D was the one thing they could hang their hat on following another terrible season. We took their one crown jewel, which was very satisfying to witness (John Adams had a great article after the game making this point).

While Debord had great games, there's much to improve on. The offense is not balanced (that's obvious) and inconsistent. My biggest criticism is two fold: his offense is too predictable when the pressure is on late in the game to sustain drives and milk the clock, and his offense does not properly feature or utilize its skill positions. The latter improved later in the season but that could be due to lower quality opponents. I like that Kamara began getting designed plays. The former compliant I have yet to see accomplished under Debord. I'd also note that I don't think he's creative enough as a playcaller (that also ties in to not featuring skill positions).

Of my complaints, the biggest one is far-and-away his playcallling when we are needing to drive the ball to sustain leads. I'd be curious how many first downs we had in the fourth quarter of the UF and Oklahoma game. I bet you could count them on one hand in both instances. Most fans tend to place the blame of losing both leads at Jancek's feet (especially now that he's been replaced), and he shouldn't escape partial blame, but Debord's offense trotted onto the field for a three-and-out-punts in the second half an unbelievable number of times in both losses. I think that led to a passive mindset that caused both losses more than any player or play, and certainly more than a lack of execution as Jones deflected to. The "just-keep-the-lead" mindset affected the psyche of the players and they played timid as a result, which never turns out well. Whether that is more Butch or Debord's fault is a matter of opinion (Butch for me), but I took issue with the playcalling and that goes back to Debord.

I also think he was a weak link at Michigan. Michigan's roster was stacked in 1999 (much like our 2001 but with one of the best QBs of all-time) during Tom Brady's senior year (only two years removed from a national championship) yet, under Debord, the team had nine of their twelve games decided by a touchdown or less (two of those nine being losses). Brady had to bring his team back so many times in the fourth quarter during the season that he was nicknamed "Comeback Kid". While Michigan finished 5th in the polls and had a great season overall, they never dominated like they should have, given their talent (Purdue, who ended the season ranked, being the exception). In fairness, the B10 was stacked that year, with 7 of the 10 teams ending the season ranked (my, how times have changed).

I guess I just don't like the fact that he doesn't appear to have a killer instinct, nor is he creative, nor is he a coordinator who gets the most out of his players at the skill position. Like I said, though, I don't think he's intended to be a long-term solution anyway. I think he'll remain on the staff if he is willing to coach a position (OL/TE perhaps) but will eventually hand off the OC role to new blood. This doesn't mean that I expect him to fail before handing over the reigns. I think he'll continue to be moderately successful, helping lead UT back to relevance, albeit with inconsistent, frustrating offensive output during his tenure as OC -- output that never seems to match its potential.

Lastly, I would take modern offensive statistics with a grain of salt relative to historic norms. Yes, he led one of the best offensive outputs UT has had in quite a while, but offenses tend to have greater output today relative to in the past. And the oft referenced scoring stat is partially a result of one of the most effective special teams efforts UT has collectively had in its modern history. Field position and special teams scoring help boost overall scoring considerably (#1 punt returner and kicker return in the nation will do that for you).

Just my thoughts and opinion. Doesn't mean any of it is right, of course, and I don't expect agreement from others.
 
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BleedingButch said:
For a guy who was 2 months removed from washing Olympians speedos I thought Debord did great
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Haha, true. Our OC was the Sports Administrator for Michigan's Olympic sports teams for the past three years. That's crazy! Something you might expect from the script of The Replacements, not SEC football. Perhaps I should just be thankful we fielded an offense instead of a swim or field hockey team.
 
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junder13 said:
Seems like a harmless enough response. No animosity here. I agree with you that the NW game left a good impression heading into next year for our offensive capability. I believe that NW defense was good, although probably not as good as their ranking might've indicated -- definitely good though. I also think the vandy D we dismantled was really good (similar defenses actually). Prior to the UT game, vandy's D was the one thing they could hang their hat on following another terrible season. We took their one crown jewel, which was very satisfying to witness (John Adams had a great article after the game making this point).

While Debord had great games, there's much to improve on. The offense is not balanced (that's obvious) and inconsistent. My biggest criticism is two fold: his offense is too predictable when the pressure is on late in the game to sustain drives and milk the clock, and his offense does not properly feature or utilize its skill positions. The latter improved later in the season but that could be due to lower quality opponents. I like that Kamara began getting designed plays. The former compliant I have yet to see accomplished under Debord. I'd also note that I don't think he's creative enough as a playcaller (that also ties in to not featuring skill positions).

Of my complaints, the biggest one is far-and-away his playcallling when we are needing to drive the ball to sustain leads. I'd be curious how many first downs we had in the fourth quarter of the UF and Oklahoma game. I bet you could count them on one hand in both instances. Most fans tend to place the blame of losing both leads at Jancek's feet (especially now that he's been replaced), and he shouldn't escape partial blame, but Debord's offense trotted onto the field for a three-and-out-punts in the second half an unbelievable number of times in both losses. I think that led to a passive mindset that caused both losses more than any player or play, and certainly more than a lack of execution as Jones deflected to. The "just-keep-the-lead" mindset affected the psyche of the players and they played timid as a result, which never turns out well. Whether that is more Butch or Debord's fault is a matter of opinion (Butch for me), but I took issue with the playcalling and that goes back to Debord.

I also think he was a weak link at Michigan. Michigan's roster was stacked in 1999 (much like our 2001 but with one of the best QBs of all-time) during Tom Brady's senior year (only two years removed from a national championship) yet, under Debord, the team had nine of their twelve games decided by a touchdown or less (two of those nine being losses). Brady had to bring his team back so many times in the fourth quarter during the season that he was nicknamed "Comeback Kid". While Michigan finished 5th in the polls and had a great season overall, they never dominated like they should have, given their talent (Purdue, who ended the season ranked, being the exception). In fairness, the B10 was stacked that year, with 7 of the 10 teams ending the season ranked (my, how times have changed).

I guess I just don't like the fact that he doesn't appear to have a killer instinct, nor is he creative, nor is he a coordinator who gets the most out of his players at the skill position. Like I said, though, I don't think he's intended to be a long-term solution anyway. I think he'll remain on the staff if he is willing to coach a position (OL/TE perhaps) but will eventually hand off the OC role to new blood. This doesn't mean that I expect him to fail before handing over the reigns. I think he'll continue to be moderately successful, helping lead UT back to relevance, albeit with inconsistent, frustrating offensive output during his tenure as OC -- output that never seems to match its potential.

Lastly, I would take modern offensive statistics with a grain of salt relative to historic norms. Yes, he led one of the best offensive outputs UT has had in quite a while, but offenses tend to have greater output today relative to in the past. And the oft referenced scoring stat is partially a result of one of the most effective special teams efforts UT has collectively had in its modern history. Field position and special teams scoring help boost overall scoring considerably (#1 punt returner and kicker return in the nation will do that for you).

Just my thoughts and opinion. Doesn't mean any of it is right, of course, and I don't expect agreement from others.
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Florida game the offense went and won the game. Our defense was horrible late. They with that abysmal offense went 100% on 4th down conversions.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
An endangered species. Today there's likely more FL panthers than natives.

I'll answer in all seriousness, whether your question was a serious one or not. Obviously anyone born there would technically be a "native". However, I would consider it to be someone who has familial roots in the state pre-dating WWII.

Henry Flagler started the northern migration and the Land Boom of the 1920's took it to another level, until the depression halted things. Then after the War it picked up again and hasn't been the same. I was the 6th generation to be born there, very few can say that today.
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It was a joke.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
An endangered species. Today there's likely more FL panthers than natives.

I'll answer in all seriousness, whether your question was a serious one or not. Obviously anyone born there would technically be a "native". However, I would consider it to be someone who has familial roots in the state pre-dating WWII.

Henry Flagler started the northern migration and the Land Boom of the 1920's took it to another level, until the depression halted things. Then after the War it picked up again and hasn't been the same. I was the 6th generation to be born there, very few can say that today.
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You really know a lot about the Florida retirement boom
 
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junder13 said:
Seems like a harmless enough response. No animosity here. I agree with you that the NW game left a good impression heading into next year for our offensive capability. I believe that NW defense was good, although probably not as good as their ranking might've indicated -- definitely good though. I also think the vandy D we dismantled was really good (similar defenses actually). Prior to the UT game, vandy's D was the one thing they could hang their hat on following another terrible season. We took their one crown jewel, which was very satisfying to witness (John Adams had a great article after the game making this point).

While Debord had great games, there's much to improve on. The offense is not balanced (that's obvious) and inconsistent. My biggest criticism is two fold: his offense is too predictable when the pressure is on late in the game to sustain drives and milk the clock, and his offense does not properly feature or utilize its skill positions. The latter improved later in the season but that could be due to lower quality opponents. I like that Kamara began getting designed plays. The former compliant I have yet to see accomplished under Debord. I'd also note that I don't think he's creative enough as a playcaller (that also ties in to not featuring skill positions).

Of my complaints, the biggest one is far-and-away his playcallling when we are needing to drive the ball to sustain leads. I'd be curious how many first downs we had in the fourth quarter of the UF and Oklahoma game. I bet you could count them on one hand in both instances. Most fans tend to place the blame of losing both leads at Jancek's feet (especially now that he's been replaced), and he shouldn't escape partial blame, but Debord's offense trotted onto the field for a three-and-out-punts in the second half an unbelievable number of times in both losses. I think that led to a passive mindset that caused both losses more than any player or play, and certainly more than a lack of execution as Jones deflected to. The "just-keep-the-lead" mindset affected the psyche of the players and they played timid as a result, which never turns out well. Whether that is more Butch or Debord's fault is a matter of opinion (Butch for me), but I took issue with the playcalling and that goes back to Debord.

I also think he was a weak link at Michigan. Michigan's roster was stacked in 1999 (much like our 2001 but with one of the best QBs of all-time) during Tom Brady's senior year (only two years removed from a national championship) yet, under Debord, the team had nine of their twelve games decided by a touchdown or less (two of those nine being losses). Brady had to bring his team back so many times in the fourth quarter during the season that he was nicknamed "Comeback Kid". While Michigan finished 5th in the polls and had a great season overall, they never dominated like they should have, given their talent (Purdue, who ended the season ranked, being the exception). In fairness, the B10 was stacked that year, with 7 of the 10 teams ending the season ranked (my, how times have changed).

I guess I just don't like the fact that he doesn't appear to have a killer instinct, nor is he creative, nor is he a coordinator who gets the most out of his players at the skill position. Like I said, though, I don't think he's intended to be a long-term solution anyway. I think he'll remain on the staff if he is willing to coach a position (OL/TE perhaps) but will eventually hand off the OC role to new blood. This doesn't mean that I expect him to fail before handing over the reigns. I think he'll continue to be moderately successful, helping lead UT back to relevance, albeit with inconsistent, frustrating offensive output during his tenure as OC -- output that never seems to match its potential.

Lastly, I would take modern offensive statistics with a grain of salt relative to historic norms. Yes, he led one of the best offensive outputs UT has had in quite a while, but offenses tend to have greater output today relative to in the past. And the oft referenced scoring stat is partially a result of one of the most effective special teams efforts UT has collectively had in its modern history. Field position and special teams scoring help boost overall scoring considerably (#1 punt returner and kicker return in the nation will do that for you).

Just my thoughts and opinion. Doesn't mean any of it is right, of course, and I don't expect agreement from others.
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I think some will agree with you and others won't. I agree to an extent, but think the early season problems did get solved as the season went on. I actually like the play calling....for the most part....for how the players were playing. If the receivers actually get separation and catch the ball, or, if the QB is a little more accurate with the ball, the play calling would have accounted for that IMO. As it was, the QB wasn't always accurate and when he was the WR's were iffy on whether or not they would catch it. He adjusted accordingly IMO.

What I do think needs to happen is better coaching with those skill players during the week and that isn't all on DeBord. The position coaches have to do a better job (and DeBord/Jones needs to ensure they do a better job).

IMO, this year the RB's will be nasty. The Defense will be nasty. The OL should be pretty good to good (finally/hopefully). Really it should come down to improved QB and WR play. Those to me have to be the focus for the most improvement during the Spring, because come Summer, we need everyone on the same page in practice so they can prepare for this play-off run.

Edit: Also need to figure out a way to get the TE's more involved.



Good post on your part though. I appreciate your point of view on it and could very well could be you're right because according to my wife I'm a moron.
 
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Good points, junder. I'll give you that the killer mentality has been one thing not lacking from DeBord, but from Butch. With the early season failures, I saw the whole coaching staff evolve to develop that killer mindset as the season went on. I also saw more creativity in play calling and setting up plays toward the end of the season from DeBord. Overall, I like what we have and if the offense keeps up (and creates more positive passing plays), then I think DeBord deserves a sizable raise.
 
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Brillovol said:
Good points, junder. I'll give you that the killer mentality has been one thing not lacking from DeBord, but from Butch. With the early season failures, I saw the whole coaching staff evolve to develop that killer mindset as the season went on. I also saw more creativity in play calling and setting up plays toward the end of the season from DeBord. Overall, I like what we have and if the offense keeps up (and creates more positive passing plays), then I think DeBord deserves a sizable raise.
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We see pretty eye to eye on this.
 
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Brillovol said:
Good points, junder. I'll give you that the killer mentality has been one thing not lacking from DeBord, but from Butch. With the early season failures, I saw the whole coaching staff evolve to develop that killer mindset as the season went on. I also saw more creativity in play calling and setting up plays toward the end of the season from DeBord. Overall, I like what we have and if the offense keeps up (and creates more positive passing plays), then I think DeBord deserves a sizable raise.
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I like to think about the losses as at least they happened last season, and not this upcoming season when everything is supposed to happen for us. Doesn't take away the pain, but it reframes it and makes it a little easier to deal with. If the coaching staff can keep the killer mentality all game and all season long, it'll be a fun ride next year
 
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