'16 GA DE Chidi Okonya (FORMER UT commit 5/15/15)

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The Breakerboy said:
We'll see about that, his 40 time will do wonders. He's bigger than VHIII and NFL scouts love him. Plus he's hit the weights even harder so his body is much better for the pros than VHIII.
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I'm not disagreeing in any sense, but VHIII is methodical to the point where fundamentally I haven't seen a better CB since I've started following drafts/doing mocks/etc in '07-08.

Speed wise, it's hard to say who's better. Technique I'd give to VHIII, size snd power I'd give it to Cam. It's hard for teams to not take the blue chip recruit if it's close.

Idk we'll see. Cam is one of the top 2 CBs off the board :)
 
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OddFuture said:
I'm not disagreeing in any sense, but VHIII is methodical to the point where fundamentally I haven't seen a better CB since I've started following drafts/doing mocks/etc in '07-08.

Speed wise, it's hard to say who's better. Technique I'd give to VHIII, size snd power I'd give it to Cam. It's hard for teams to not take the blue chip recruit if it's close.

Idk we'll see. Cam is one of the top 2 CBs off the board :)
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Patrick Peterson was better coming out than VHIII. Mack Alexander is nasty at Clemson this year and he's technically sound as well. Cam doesn't have to have the technique VHIII has because he's bigger, stronger, hits harder, and can neutralize big WRs. What Cooper did to VHIII on that fade route won't happen to Sutton. In the NFL the jump ball will be thrown all game.
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Patrick Peterson was better coming out than VHIII. Mack Alexander is nasty at Clemson this year and he's technically sound as well. Cam doesn't have to have the technique VHIII has because he's bigger, stronger, hits harder, and can neutralize big WRs. What Cooper did to VHIII on that fade route won't happen to Sutton. In the NFL the jump ball will be thrown all game.
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This just reminded me that UT could have had Alexander and Sutton at corner. That would've been so enjoyable
 
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The Breakerboy said:
Patrick Peterson was better coming out than VHIII. Mack Alexander is nasty at Clemson this year and he's technically sound as well. Cam doesn't have to have the technique VHIII has because he's bigger, stronger, hits harder, and can neutralize big WRs. What Cooper did to VHIII on that fade route won't happen to Sutton. In the NFL the jump ball will be thrown all game.
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Like I said I'm not disagreeing with any of this except Peterson. Dude was an athletic freak, but his technique wasn't exceptional. Good, and throughout his time in the NFL has really improved.

If Cam can prove he's an athletic freak he will go before VHIII (assuming VHIII doesn't as well). I'm talking 4.37ish 40, 40.5+ vert, 17+ reps, etc. top 5 or so in all categories for DBs
 
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OddFuture said:
Like I said I'm not disagreeing with any of this except Peterson. Dude was an athletic freak, but his technique wasn't exceptional. Good, and throughout his time in the NFL has really improved.

If Cam can prove he's an athletic freak he will go before VHIII (assuming VHIII doesn't as well). I'm talking 4.37ish 40, 40.5+ vert, 17+ reps, etc. top 5 or so in all categories for DBs
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Very rare for a DB to clock 4.3 at the combine, and when one does it's usually considered an outlier...they grade much higher on technique and actual performance. 4.5's got Haden and Peterson some good guaranteed money in the NFL.
 
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WebbCobb said:
This just reminded me that UT could have had Alexander and Sutton at corner. That would've been so enjoyable
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We had him and Tabor commited at one time. Imagine Butch Jones gets hired a year earlier.
Here's what you'd have:

Sutton
Alexander
Ramsey
Bell

Lights out secondary!
 
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OddFuture said:
Like I said I'm not disagreeing with any of this except Peterson. Dude was an athletic freak, but his technique wasn't exceptional. Good, and throughout his time in the NFL has really improved.

If Cam can prove he's an athletic freak he will go before VHIII (assuming VHIII doesn't as well). I'm talking 4.37ish 40, 40.5+ vert, 17+ reps, etc. top 5 or so in all categories for DBs
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I think, myself included, that Sutton has been underrated athletically. I knew he would be good before he ever signed. His film. From baseball and watching his hand eye coordination. From seeing how he played defense as a 2 guard in basketball. I knew he would be good.

But the more I see him develop, the more I realize how good he hasn't even become yet.

He is sooo good.

I think he comes to the combibe and leves as follows:
6'0"
203 lbs

4.47 40
4.0 shuttle
21 reps of 225

35 inch vertical

Wingspan of a 6'6 guy.

I think if Jancek play him at nickel, he could be defensive player of the year in the SEC. And he would go first round.

Hargreaves will not even get 17 reps, but he will run a 4.43 or so and look good in drills.

Then theres Jalen Ramsey. Who knows abouy him.
But Sutton and Hargreaves are both Franchise CBs and 1st rounders
 
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butchna said:
Very rare for a DB to clock 4.3 at the combine, and when one does it's usually considered an outlier...they grade much higher on technique and actual performance. 4.5's got Haden and Peterson some good guaranteed money in the NFL.
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I said ish. A 4.4 would suffice

Pat ran a 4.34
 
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LittleVol said:
I think, myself included, that Sutton has been underrated athletically. I knew he would be good before he ever signed. His film. From baseball and watching his hand eye coordination. From seeing how he played defense as a 2 guard in basketball. I knew he would be good.

But the more I see him develop, the more I realize how good he hasn't even become yet.

He is sooo good.

I think he comes to the combibe and leves as follows:
6'0"
203 lbs

4.47 40
4.0 shuttle
21 reps of 225

35 inch vertical

Wingspan of a 6'6 guy.

I think if Jancek play him at nickel, he could be defensive player of the year in the SEC. And he would go first round.

Hargreaves will not even get 17 reps, but he will run a 4.43 or so and look good in drills.

Then theres Jalen Ramsey. Who knows abouy him.
But Sutton and Hargreaves are both Franchise CBs and 1st rounders
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This is all true. If Ramsey really does play at CB this year he's the wildcard. Kid is an elite safety with good traits to be an elite CB too.

Cam is a franchise CB no doubt. First round lock barring (god forbid) just a terrible year and/or a serious injury. Kid does everything really well. Even with a bad year he will still get drafted high. Look who my Falcons took in the second round, Jalen Collins. A guy who has all the skills, athleticism, etc and showed it at times on the field, but also struggled on the field and struggled getting on the field at times. Talent, potential, measurements (combine), etc all outweigh actual production. That being said Cam (and VHIII) have both performed excellently thus far in their respective careers.

Like I've been saying, as of right now, I'd bet VHIII gets drafted higher. That doesn't mean I think he's better. That doesn't mean I would draft VHIII higher. It just means that's how I see it playing out.
 
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OddFuture said:
I said ish. A 4.4 would suffice

Pat ran a 4.34
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I think Peterson's 4-3 was at his pro day but no mind...4.4's suffice so do 4-5's and guys like Antonio Langham can run a 4-6 and get drafted high. 40 times are tie breakers between two comparative performing draftees. There's a reason we don't know what times Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White clocked in their final season. :wink2:

Edit: Pat's time WAS at the combine...and he's considered inferior to Richard Sherman and his pitiful 4.56 time as we speak...but I digress. We are talking about draft position. :hi:
 
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butchna said:
I think Peterson's 4-3 was at his pro day but no mind...4.4's suffice so do 4-5's and guys like Antonio Langham can run a 4-6 and get drafted high. 40 times are tie breakers between two comparative performing draftees. There's a reason we don't know what times Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White clocked in their final season. :wink2:

Edit: Pat's time WAS at the combine...and he's considered inferior to Richard Sherman and his pitiful 4.56 time as we speak...but I digress. We are talking about draft position. :hi:
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Yes it was at the combine and that inferior player was drafted over a hundred spots earlier. We talking bout the draft. Not a game, not a game. The draft. /Iverson

:)
 
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butchna said:
I think Peterson's 4-3 was at his pro day but no mind...4.4's suffice so do 4-5's and guys like Antonio Langham can run a 4-6 and get drafted high. 40 times are tie breakers between two comparative performing draftees. There's a reason we don't know what times Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White clocked in their final season. :wink2:

Edit: Pat's time WAS at the combine...and he's considered inferior to Richard Sherman and his pitiful 4.56 time as we speak...but I digress. We are talking about draft position. :hi:
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Plenty of people consider Peterson a better CB than Sherman. Cromartie was shooting his mouth off about it this week.
 
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