'16 TN LB Tim Hart (FORMER UT commit 6/26/15)

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VolSteve said:
You are being over the top with sel-righteousness based on a one-sided account. In my previous career I unfortunately had to fire hundreds of people for a variety of reasons. In a high number of cases the fired employee did not accurately communicate the reason for their firing to others. Have you and others bashing CBJ stopped for even a minute to consider the possibility that Hart didn't live up to the conditions set when he was extended an offer? CBJ is not allowed to comment so we don't have his side. Based on many years of experience with the entitled mindset of Hart's generation I think it reasonable to be cautious of believing he is a totally innocent victim here.
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VolSteve, I'm sorry to inform you that we have decided to let you go, because you failed to fire the right person.
 
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ODTVOL said:
Dude, this is an anonymous message board. Even a cursory review of this board will show that a host of opinions are expressed on a host of topics on a daily basis. There is no oppressed, silent minority that need you to remind them that they "are not alone." Therefore, if your purpose in making these posts, which smack of sanctimony and condescension, is to be the white knight for all who are somehow afraid to express their opinion, it seems that you have wasted a lot of time and effort.

As for Tim Hart, he should be fine. This "injustice" word that keeps being bandied about does not seem to apply here. Mr. Hart attends the most exclusive and expensive private school in Memphis. While I am not a huge fan of that school and find its graduates to be a little on the snobby side, there can be little doubt that its graduates (the dozen or so that I have met) have been the recipients of a fine education. Assuming Mr. Hart availed himself of these opportunities during his time at MUS, I have no doubt that he can and will find an opportunity that meets his educational and athletic requirements or desires. Will he have to wait? Possibly. Will a wait be devastating to his future educational or athletic prospects? Most likely not. I wish Mr. Hart good luck in his future endeavors.
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flowd82 said:
I'm not going to even attempt to read through the hundreds of new posts submitted since Hart was cut by UT, but this thread needs to just be left alone.

College football is a pretty serious business. Elite college football programs make hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue for their universities every year. It is what it is. Sometimes people are going to get their feelings hurt. It isn't all flowers & rainbows. If you underperform & don't meet expectations, you will be replaced by someone who can. That goes for players, coaches, walk-ons, trainers, or whatever. I played college football at a school smaller than Tennessee, but the current landscape of college football stays the same. If you aren't meeting expectations you will become expendable very fast.

Tennessee fans need to stay consistent & figure out what they want this football program to be about it. The last decade (especially the last 6-8 years) has been one of the worst stretches for football in Tennessee history. During these down years for UT football, I have constantly noticed UT fans negatively speaking about the football programs & head coaches from the schools that were experiencing great success during UT's rough period.

It seemed the overall consensus of UT fans were that the Nick Saban & Urban Meyer type coaches of college football & the Alabama, Florida, Ohio State type programs were all dirty & cheated. The reason these programs were successful was because of their cheating. Allegedly. They paid players, they paid officials, they got illiterate players into school, they unfairly cut ties or processes kids to make room for more elite prospects, etc.

Many of these allegations may have been true. Meanwhile, Tennessee was becoming the laughing stock of college football. The Vols went through the last few lazy, unmotivated years of the Fulmer era before hiring Lane Kiffin & Derek Dooley as head football coaches. Tennessee trotted out the likes of the Sullin brothers, Nick Reveiz, and several other walk-on type players who had no business starting in the SEC. UT lost to Vandy, Kentucky, & Wyoming during this time period. UT squeaked out OT wins against the likes of UAB & Troy State. UT was embarrassed on national TV consistently by Alabama, Florida, Oregon, etc. I think I've said enough, but obviously everybody knows that was a dark time for UT football. But at least we were a moral, non-cheating program & were nice to everybody, right?

I'm not thrilled by the devaluation of commitment in today's society either. Commitment, honor, loyalty, respect, etc. has crumbled & disappeared over the years not only in the college football landscape, but society in general. I dislike Alabama as much as the next UT fan. I don't gain enjoyment from seeing teenage kids get their feelings hurt or adults breaking promises made to recruits. But that has become the business aspect of the game. It is what it is.

Tennessee's football program will have to do everything in its power to become an elite program again. To get back to the top, the Vols will have to seek out & take the best, most skilled coaches & players they can land. Sometimes in order to do that, lesser players will have to be dropped or asked to leave. Promises and relationships will be broken. It is unfortunate but it's the way it is. I think that mindset has a lot to do with the difference of being a perennial 5-7 afterthought in college football & being an elite program.

It is very unfortunate this situation happened with Hart. But it happened & the fans need to move on, IMO. He was still offered the opportunity to blueshirt & be a part of the team (something I & thousands of others would have killed for) and he rejected it. That was his decision. We as fans need to move on so Hart can move on. I wish Hart the best wherever he ends up.

Later Rednecks!
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junder13 said:
I thought from the day he committed that this was a scenario that would likely play out once higher-rated recruits joined later in the process. Several other posters speculated as much. If so many were thinking that, then why offer the scholarship 8 months before signing day in the first place? Butch Jones has done this numerous times over the last 3 years and EVERY time the same excuses are thrown out by the same people. I see this as a microcosm of society in general. People will excuse bad behavior (often irrespective of the perceived degree of injustice) if it results in something they want or if addressing said bad behavior would be out of favor with the masses. In this case, the majority of UT fans are quick to dismiss the head coach backing out on his scholarship offer to a kid because they believe a higher rated kid will likely replace him, which they believe will likely result in more wins in the future. It's a small but effective example of how people will bend or even break principles to get what they want, especially behind the mask of an unanimous computer. While Hart may not have developed like expected (hoped), that doesn't change the fact that he shouldn't have been offered a scholarship in the first place. The only kid that Jones has done this to that would have surprised most fans was probably the DE from Florida (the worst offense because it was only a week or so before NSD). Every other occurrence there was plenty of speculation that it would happen from the moment of the commitment going public. If it is that obvious to fans, then why does our coach keeping doing this? That question doesn't really matter anyway though, because it should never happen -- marginal talent, elite talent, or otherwise. The only justified reason for backing out of a commitment to a scholarship offer is grades and for moral reasons. I doubt either apply here, nor did it apply the numerous other instances.

A person of principal should find this pattern to be disturbing, no matter how many other schools do it or not. And winning does not cure all -- only glosses over the unscrupulous for the indecent. And I was just beginning to become more favorable of Jones, too...

Carry on.
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This statement sums up exactly why America is headed in the wrong direction. Don't take this personal but, LIFE ISN'T FAIR!! It is a cutthroat business just like college football.

The sooner you learn that, the faster you can pick yourself up work harder to achieve what you want to achieve. The reality in college football is that, yes, winning does cure all. We aren't watching games so we can see sportsmanship and hugs. We root for the Vols to see them WIN. No one cares whether or not you like Butch. Go back to your "safe space" and feel :cray: however you like. A man of your principles and emotions seems more suited to rooting for Missouri. I hear they have plenty of rainbows, unicorns, and safe spaces to go around.

Go Vols!
 
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flowd82 said:
I'm not going to even attempt to read through the hundreds of new posts submitted since Hart was cut by UT, but this thread needs to just be left alone.

College football is a pretty serious business. Elite college football programs make hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue for their universities every year. It is what it is. Sometimes people are going to get their feelings hurt. It isn't all flowers & rainbows. If you underperform & don't meet expectations, you will be replaced by someone who can. That goes for players, coaches, walk-ons, trainers, or whatever. I played college football at a school smaller than Tennessee, but the current landscape of college football stays the same. If you aren't meeting expectations you will become expendable very fast.

Tennessee fans need to stay consistent & figure out what they want this football program to be about it. The last decade (especially the last 6-8 years) has been one of the worst stretches for football in Tennessee history. During these down years for UT football, I have constantly noticed UT fans negatively speaking about the football programs & head coaches from the schools that were experiencing great success during UT's rough period.

It seemed the overall consensus of UT fans were that the Nick Saban & Urban Meyer type coaches of college football & the Alabama, Florida, Ohio State type programs were all dirty & cheated. The reason these programs were successful was because of their cheating. Allegedly. They paid players, they paid officials, they got illiterate players into school, they unfairly cut ties or processes kids to make room for more elite prospects, etc.

Many of these allegations may have been true. Meanwhile, Tennessee was becoming the laughing stock of college football. The Vols went through the last few lazy, unmotivated years of the Fulmer era before hiring Lane Kiffin & Derek Dooley as head football coaches. Tennessee trotted out the likes of the Sullin brothers, Nick Reveiz, and several other walk-on type players who had no business starting in the SEC. UT lost to Vandy, Kentucky, & Wyoming during this time period. UT squeaked out OT wins against the likes of UAB & Troy State. UT was embarrassed on national TV consistently by Alabama, Florida, Oregon, etc. I think I've said enough, but obviously everybody knows that was a dark time for UT football. But at least we were a moral, non-cheating program & were nice to everybody, right?

I'm not thrilled by the devaluation of commitment in today's society either. Commitment, honor, loyalty, respect, etc. has crumbled & disappeared over the years not only in the college football landscape, but society in general. I dislike Alabama as much as the next UT fan. I don't gain enjoyment from seeing teenage kids get their feelings hurt or adults breaking promises made to recruits. But that has become the business aspect of the game. It is what it is.

Tennessee's football program will have to do everything in its power to become an elite program again. To get back to the top, the Vols will have to seek out & take the best, most skilled coaches & players they can land. Sometimes in order to do that, lesser players will have to be dropped or asked to leave. Promises and relationships will be broken. It is unfortunate but it's the way it is. I think that mindset has a lot to do with the difference of being a perennial 5-7 afterthought in college football & being an elite program.

It is very unfortunate this situation happened with Hart. But it happened & the fans need to move on, IMO. He was still offered the opportunity to blueshirt & be a part of the team (something I & thousands of others would have killed for) and he rejected it. That was his decision. We as fans need to move on so Hart can move on. I wish Hart the best wherever he ends up.

Later Rednecks!
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Says he won't sift through numerous comments, then goes and writes a book long comment expecting everyone to read it...
 
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TNV said:
This statement sums up exactly why America is headed in the wrong direction. Don't take this personal but, LIFE ISN'T FAIR!! It is a cutthroat business just like college football.

The sooner you learn that, the faster you can pick yourself up work harder to achieve what you want to achieve. The reality in college football is that, yes, winning does cure all. We aren't watching games so we can see sportsmanship and hugs. We root for the Vols to see them WIN. No one cares whether or not you like Butch. Go back to your "safe space" and feel :cray: however you like. A man of your principles and emotions seems more suited to rooting for Missouri. I hear they have plenty of rainbows, unicorns, and safe spaces to go around.

Go Vols!
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You don't know me. You know nothing about me. Don't prove yourself a fool by presuming to know me. Your assertions are preposterous. Why don't you pick yourself up by your own bootstraps, john doe. I don't need such advice myself.

I don't answer to any man, nor am I dependent on any man or government. The only individuals I answer to and are accountable to are my immediate family and my Lord and Savior. Everyone else I try to treat with decency and respect, to the extent my mortal flesh will allow me to afford it (you're testing my ability to do so).

Life isn't fair, huh. Well you must be Aristotle incarnate. I'll tell you what, wise one.... how about you explain to me how the hell human progress would ever have occurred if everyone went through life with your philosophy ("life isn't fair"....you just have to "pick yourself up and work harder")?

You think with that philosophy we'd have moved away from an agrarian economy? Would we have reformed education? Would we have a high literacy rate? Would we have developed modern forms of medicine? Cured plagues, illnesses, and diseases that past generations endured throughout the ages? Discovered electricity? The printing press? Increased civil liberties? Developed labor laws and modern working standards? Re-invented how we travel? From horse-to car-to rail-to plane-to space? Developed sanitation standards? Mental health facilities? Assisted living facilities? Clean energy?

You see, people who expect others to accept life as unfair, and to accept the status quo are one of two types of people: either servant fools or their master overlords. Such a philosophy is appropriate for a feudal system. Censitaires in the seigneurial system of the middle ages would probably live a content life of dependency on others. The "noblemen" of that age most certainly would be content for others to just accept that life isn't fair. They were born into privilege and awarded lands to lord over simply as a result of their inherited "nobility". You see, unless you are a peasant fool or a winner of the genetics and/or familial lottery, you cannot afford to live by a "life isn't fair" mindset. You have to make it as you wish it to be.

So spare me your thrift store mindset. Life may not be fair for others, but it will be for me and my family or I will die trying to make it as much so as I humanly can.

"To be, or not to be, that is the question: Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing end them"

I choose the latter. You sound willing to accept the former. I don't care which represents you, frankly. But don't presume to know me, because you haven't a clue.
 
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junder13 said:
You don't know me. You know nothing about me. Don't prove yourself a fool by presuming to know me. Your assertions are preposterous. Why don't you pick yourself up by your own bootstraps, john doe. I don't need such advice myself.

I don't answer to any man, nor am I dependent on any man or government. The only individuals I answer to and are accountable to are my immediate family and my Lord and Savior. Everyone else I try to treat with decency and respect, to the extent my mortal flesh will allow me to afford it (you're testing my ability to do so).

Life isn't fair, huh. Well you must be Aristotle incarnate. I'll tell you what, wise one.... how about you explain to me how the hell human progress would ever have occurred if everyone went through life with your philosophy ("life isn't fair"....you just have to "pick yourself up and work harder")?

You think with that philosophy we'd have moved away from an agrarian economy? Would we have reformed education? Would we have a high literacy rate? Would we have developed modern forms of medicine? Cured plagues, illnesses, and diseases that past generations endured throughout the ages? Discovered electricity? The printing press? Increased civil liberties? Developed labor laws and modern working standards? Re-invented how we travel? From horse-to car-to rail-to plane-to space? Developed sanitation standards? Mental health facilities? Assisted living facilities? Clean energy?

You see, people who expect others to accept life as unfair, and to accept the status quo are one of two types of people: either servant fools or their master overlords. Such a philosophy is appropriate for a feudal system. Censitaires in the seigneurial system of the middle ages would probably live a content life of dependency on others. The "noblemen" of that age most certainly would be content for others to just accept that life isn't fair. They were born into privilege and awarded lands to lord over simply as a result of their inherited "nobility". You see, unless you are a peasant fool or a winner of the genetics and/or familial lottery, you cannot afford to live by a "life isn't fair" mindset. You have to make it as you wish it to be.

So spare me your thrift store mindset. Life may not be fair for others, but it will be for me and my family or I will die trying to make it as much so as I humanly can.

"To be, or not to be, that is the question: Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing end them"

I choose the latter. You sound willing to accept the former. I don't care which represents you, frankly. But don't presume to know me, because you haven't a clue.
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Oh I know you. I know people just like you. You try to settle arguments and make decisions based on feelings. You set up straw men arguments trying to impress others with your knowledge, slapping them down one by one in an attempt to somehow demonstrate that your morality is somehow better than others. Did you really cite "clean energy" in an attempt to demean something that I said? bahahahahaha!!:eek:lol:
The fact is that Feelings don't win championships and long dissertations from a keyboard commander about "fairness" do nothing but make you feel better about yourself. People like you got Obama elected twice. People like you make me sick. People like you haven't a clue about how a the world really works you just care about how it makes you feel. Say what you like but I had you pegged and that is why I chose to make the comments that I did.

I also know another thing about you...you have just made my ignore list. So type what ever response you like and defend yourself but just know that ...oh yeah I know you.
 
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LittleVol said:
Says he won't sift through numerous comments, then goes and writes a book long comment expecting everyone to read it...
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junder13 said:
You don't know me. You know nothing about me. Don't prove yourself a fool by presuming to know me. Your assertions are preposterous. Why don't you pick yourself up by your own bootstraps, john doe. I don't need such advice myself.

I don't answer to any man, nor am I dependent on any man or government. The only individuals I answer to and are accountable to are my immediate family and my Lord and Savior. Everyone else I try to treat with decency and respect, to the extent my mortal flesh will allow me to afford it (you're testing my ability to do so).

Life isn't fair, huh. Well you must be Aristotle incarnate. I'll tell you what, wise one.... how about you explain to me how the hell human progress would ever have occurred if everyone went through life with your philosophy ("life isn't fair"....you just have to "pick yourself up and work harder")?

You think with that philosophy we'd have moved away from an agrarian economy? Would we have reformed education? Would we have a high literacy rate? Would we have developed modern forms of medicine? Cured plagues, illnesses, and diseases that past generations endured throughout the ages? Discovered electricity? The printing press? Increased civil liberties? Developed labor laws and modern working standards? Re-invented how we travel? From horse-to car-to rail-to plane-to space? Developed sanitation standards? Mental health facilities? Assisted living facilities? Clean energy?

You see, people who expect others to accept life as unfair, and to accept the status quo are one of two types of people: either servant fools or their master overlords. Such a philosophy is appropriate for a feudal system. Censitaires in the seigneurial system of the middle ages would probably live a content life of dependency on others. The "noblemen" of that age most certainly would be content for others to just accept that life isn't fair. They were born into privilege and awarded lands to lord over simply as a result of their inherited "nobility". You see, unless you are a peasant fool or a winner of the genetics and/or familial lottery, you cannot afford to live by a "life isn't fair" mindset. You have to make it as you wish it to be.

So spare me your thrift store mindset. Life may not be fair for others, but it will be for me and my family or I will die trying to make it as much so as I humanly can.

"To be, or not to be, that is the question: Whether 'tis Nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing end them"

I choose the latter. You sound willing to accept the former. I don't care which represents you, frankly. But don't presume to know me, because you haven't a clue.
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Cormac McCarthy...that you??
 
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SGMVols said:
Better enjoy Richmond because Butch is never getting another player from MUS. He already had to rebuild that bridge from his Cincinnati days and he just probably burned it again.
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You would have been the first person in the forum calling out UT's staff for taking this kid in the class instead of pursuing better options. Recruiting is a balance of relationships and business. We'll see down the road if any ties to MUS are truly broken.
 
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TNV said:
Oh I know you. I know people just like you. You try to settle arguments and make decisions based on feelings. You set up straw men arguments trying to impress others with your knowledge, slapping them down one by one in an attempt to somehow demonstrate that your morality is somehow better than others. Did you really cite "clean energy" in an attempt to demean something that I said? bahahahahaha!!:eek:lol:
The fact is that Feelings don't win championships and long dissertations from a keyboard commander about "fairness" do nothing but make you feel better about yourself. People like you got Obama elected twice. People like you make me sick. People like you haven't a clue about how a the world really works you just care about how it makes you feel. Say what you like but I had you pegged and that is why I chose to make the comments that I did.

I also know another thing about you...you have just made my ignore list. So type what ever response you like and defend yourself but just know that ...oh yeah I know you.
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After reading some of his post I already had him figured. I decided to read something briefer and more concise like War and Peace.
 
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