'16 TN WR Nate Johnson

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StoVol said:
clausen not in the same league with dobbs as a runner

dobbs not in the same league with clausen as a passer
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I say again

Clausen: 4 year starter 61% comp.
Dobbs: 1 1/2 year starter 61% comp.

Not a large enough sample size, and a 15/5 TD pass to INT ratio is good. Respect your opinion though, but he's not a bad passer. He's an average to good passer with a well above average running ability. He's a good quarterback period.
 
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CNeagleVolFan said:
I say again

Clausen: 4 year starter 61% comp.
Dobbs: 1 1/2 year starter 61% comp.

Not a large enough sample size, and a 15/5 TD pass to INT ratio is good. Respect your opinion though, but he's not a bad passer. He's an average to good passer with a well above average running ability. He's a good quarterback period.
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dont mean shat, if you cant see he has accuracy issues right now then go on believing whatever you want, makes no difference to me, but would love all you guys permission to discuss it with like minded persons concerned with the overall improvement of our football team
 
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Completion percentage is a bad stat to compare quarterbacks if they played in completely different systems. It's easy to artificially inflate with screens, dump offs, and other easy throws.

IMO the best way to gauge a quarterbacks throwing ability is to look at completion % with yards per attempt. Having a high number in both shows they have the ability to stretch the field vertically
 
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CNeagleVolFan said:
I say again

Clausen: 4 year starter 61% comp.
Dobbs: 1 1/2 year starter 61% comp.

Not a large enough sample size, and a 15/5 TD pass to INT ratio is good. Respect your opinion though, but he's not a bad passer. He's an average to good passer with a well above average running ability. He's a good quarterback period.
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You would need to add yardage in those passing percentages for them to mean anything. 61% of sideways passes are not the same as 61% downfield passes (if thats the case).

I like Dobbs but he has trouble completing the long pass it seems.
 
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BigVol80 said:
You would need to add yardage in those passing percentages for them to mean anything. 61% of sideways passes are not the same as 61% downfield passes (if thats the case).

I like Dobbs but he has trouble completing the long pass it seems.
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Clausen had better pass play designs to me. Also his WRs were better(2001 he had Stallworth, Washington, and Witten). His offensive line was better as well. And the OC was light years ahead. Come on now these are all factors. Clausen was in a better situation top to bottom. I'd still take Dobbs over him as my QB too.
 
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If Corey Henderson is good enough to play here then I know the home grown nate Johnson is good enough
 
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KBVol said:
We weren't discussing the running game. Running game....good. Passing game....bad. 2 games with less than 90 yards passing, fully half the games with less than 150 yards passing. That's pretty much all there was to it.
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Didn't we win one of those 90 yard passing games decisively? And didn't we have a 27-14 lead in the 4th quarter before the defense collapsed in the other one?

There is a reason they say running the ball AND defense wins championships and not throwing the ball.

We're not a bad throwing team. We just don't throw the ball a lot. And you wanna know why? Cause we're really good RUNNING the ball. Its the reason we've had a lead in EVERY game this season. And we've had a 13+ point lead in 10 of our 12 games.

There was only 1 game this season where we fell behind by more than 7 points. And in that game Dobbs threw for 300 yards. We had no choice but to pass that game. And we did to great effect. And that game came against what ended up being the #1 pass defense in the country. Now I'm sure some of that has to do with Georgia playing 3 option teams. But still it's pretty impressive that we're such a bad throwing team yet we played our best game through the air against the "best pass defense" in the country.
 
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CNeagleVolFan said:
Obviously nobody remembers the last few years with Fulmer, and how terrible qbs can be... Crompton, Stephens, Matt Simms. Dobbs is a good quarterback! Everyone saying "oh he's bad" oh he can't win us the east... similar numbers from Casey clausen back in the day won us an SEC championship!! And I know Casey clausen didn't get near as many rushing yards! Here are some numbers for this "bad" QB we have.

25 total TDs/5 INTs
2200 pass yds, 630 rush yds, 80 rec yds.
60% completion percentage

Dont like the kid if you want, but next season I gaurantee he will get us to the SEC championship game!! Then see if you like him at the end of next year. After next season Dobbs will have had a special career helping revive UT football. If not for him last season we do not make a bowl!! Dobbs is a good QB, and without him we probably finish this season 6-6 or worse. Then the criticism on Azzani, which I understand more than Dobbs for sure. But what happened to a year ago after Bajakian left when everyone was clamoring for Azzani to be the new OC? We have went from that to fire him, which is completely asinine. You can't be that drastic in thinking. I would understand that drastic thinking if we went 6-6 or less, but honestly at 8-4 there should not be anyone in danger of losing their jobs. Did he struggle this season coaching? At times yes he did, but he should not be in danger of losing his job at least until next season if it is bad again. Honestly though I think we go 10-2 and are in the championship game! Next season will be special.
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Co-sign 100%.

The hate toward Dobbs from his own fanbase is one of the most bizzare things I've ever encountered. I feel like he gets more credit outside the Tennessee fan base than inside it. For example, after Andre Ware compared Dobbs to Cam Newton during the Vandy game, there was a cascade of negative tweets allegedly from UT fans berating Andre Ware for that comparison and calling Dobbs a terrible QB.

Most fan bases are happy when their QB gets outside credit. Around here it seems like people get mad if something nice is said about Dobbs ability as a QB.
 
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CNeagleVolFan said:
Well I just wish people would just remember what we have went through. Dobbs is a special talent, and it seems like nobody else realizes it. I mean do you think he's trash too?
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No. Lots of people realise it. It just so happens most of those folks aren't UT fans. Like I said, Dobbs gets more credit outside the UT fanbase than inside it.

Almost every national commentator this year has glowed about his running AND PASSING ability. The idea that Dobbs is a lousy passer is strictly concentrated on Tennessee fan sites like this.

When Jessie Palmer did the Kentucky game he was effusive in praise about Josh as a passer and runner. When Andre Ware did our games he was also effusive in his praise of Josh as a passer. Everytime I watch Inside College Football on CBS sports, they are praising Josh.


Its sad that non-UT fans appreciate the special talent we have in Dobbs more than UT fans themselves.
 
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walkenvol said:
I like Dobbs, but which all-SEC team was he put on by "those folks aren't UT fans"?
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Who said anything about all-SEC?

When I said Dobbs gets more credit from non-UT fans, I was talking about TV personalities and game commentators. I remember during the Kentucky game, Brent Musburger was effusive in his praise for Josh and some on here were complaining. Saying the commentators were giving Josh too much credit. Cause as you know Josh can't throw the ball and if any one says on air he's throwing the ball well then they must be wrong.

I personally have never seen a fanbase get mad when their QB gets praise. For some reason many UT fans don't like it when the media praises Dobbs. I wonder why?
 
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When we figure out how great Dobbs is, can we start recruiting Nate Johnson? :)
 
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CNeagleVolFan said:
Casey Clausen was a 4 year starter
Joshua Dobbs has started for 1 1/2 years.

Career completion percentage for Clausen: 61%
Dobbs: 60.8% so 61%

People just forget that Dobbs has been the guy for just a year and a half. Honestly I think he's done a good job, and he'll have a special senior season.
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I'm pro-Dobbs, so don't get me wrong, but consider (my estimate) that 30% of Dobbs throws are 10 yards or less, with many out into the flats. Clausen put it around the yard.
 
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Clausen was a lot like Dobbs in one regard, he had some brilliant games that we all remember. He also had a lot of stinkers. He was a inconsistent passer also. I will say this again, when Dobbs is throwing accurately and on time, this offense, even with a mediocre OL, is unstoppable
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Clausen was a lot like Dobbs in one regard, he had some brilliant games that we all remember. He also had a lot of stinkers. He was a inconsistent passer also. I will say this again, when Dobbs is throwing accurately and on time, this offense, even with a mediocre OL, is unstoppable
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When his WRs are running the right routes as well.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
When I said Dobbs gets more credit from non-UT fans, I was talking about TV personalities and game commentators.
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These type's opinions are almost on par with those on VN :loco:

I don't see any VN hate on Dobbs other than the typical fringe group of lunatics. Everyone appreciates his outstanding running abilities and only the blind don't recognize that he has room for improvement in his passing accuracy.

Again I like Dobbs a lot, but the folks in the know (other SEC coaches and the like) didn't place him among the top 2 QB's in the SEC based on his performance this season. Prescott and Allen are seniors so I would think Dobbs would be pre-season all-SEC in 2016. If he makes the expected improvements then I wouldn't be surprised to see him there at the end of 2016 also.
 
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We need guys that can get open quick like Nate and Velus. That is one of the big problems we had this year without Pig in lineup. A clean Pig and this offense is probably a lot better stat wise throwing the football. He was our best WR in this offense.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
We need guys that can get open quick like Nate and Velus. That is one of the big problems we had this year without Pig in lineup. A clean Pig and this offense is probably a lot better stat wise throwing the football. He was our best WR in this offense.
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Yes, the slot is so important in our offense. Feel like if we have some consistent slot receiver play our passing game will continue to get better. Without pig the only true slot guy we had was Johnson and he was hurt a lot. I feel like Abernathy IV would've been a great slot option too if he wouldn't have been hurt.
 
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