'17 AL QB Bubba Thompson

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vols 30 said:
UT and a down trending Ole Miss, and who else? Or would listing those schools kill your agenda?
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From what I can tell Ole Miss seems to know a good QB when they see one.

As for your comment regarding Bama and Auburn no offer. You might want to look into why before that being your proof that he isn't good. Bama has two elite 11 QBs already committed before This kid played a game this year. Auburn also already has their 2017 and 2018 QBs committed before season started
 
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BJHSVol said:
In a normal year I agree, but what other '17 QBs are realistic at this point? I think he's a clear upgrade over Lewis, and I think you have to take a QB in this class just to guard against any possible transfers. Maybe Ulrich if we could get him to flip from SC would be a better get, but other than him I can't think of anyone else that shows anything close to his talent
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On this post we agree. I think they need a QB every year. I never liked Lewis as a QB - maybe as an athlete. Maybe Butch can sell him on going only football. If not there has to be a decent prospect out there they can pull, especially if they are making coaching moves in the off season.

IMO we have other serious needs that scholarship can be used for rather than a part time guy. I truly like what I see in the highlights. There's some real upside there. I just don't see it getting developed well if he plays baseball. We all thought S-Jones was a quality 4* QB and he is nothing but a 4th string cheerleader this season.

:hi:
 
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Vols4us said:
Randy Wallace was pretty good at QB during a period in the mid-70's when the game was more oriented to running the ball. 51% completions, 2536 yards passing and 572 yards rushing over 3 seasons. He did get drafted high in baseball. IIRC he did not go on with it. But again, that was 40 years ago during the veer days.

Cockrell was thought to have a great baseball future and is probably the best of the examples so far. But it didn't work out either after 9 seasons in the minors. He's had a pretty good baseball coaching career. But again, that was 35 years ago when he played at UT.
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I would agree it is much much harder to do now. It would have to be a special athlete.
 
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Wickman said:
Trust me on this. AV knows FAR more about baseball devolpment than you do
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Lol.

If he is really a good baseball guy he will know that many of the elite arms shut it down in the fall or summer so playing football isn't as big of a deal for a pitcher as it is for a very raw hitter that never performs for scouts when the lights comes on. Raw skills yes but the kid needs countless ABs.
 
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Vols4us said:
I understand your point, but don't understand why you would waste a scholarship on somebody that would never see the field barring 3 QB's in front of him being injured. Recruit a guy that is dedicated to football. Josh Dobbs faced the same decision. Turned out to be the right one.
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Please explain how you know, before ever taking a college snap, that he couldn't beat out any QB on our roster.
 
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CNeagleVolFan said:
No not at all. Just glad you know exactly what this kid is going to turn into. Why don't you just watch the film on the kid, look at his numbers against 7A Alabama football teams, and say there is a chance this kid could be a very good steal late in the recruiting cycle.

Team is in 7A state championship game
69% completion percentage
37 TD's/5 INT's
3,000 yds
500 rush yds
8 rush TD's

You look at this kids film, and look at those stats and tell me he doesn't have a chance and I'll call you crazy. Playing some of the best competition in high school football, and putting up numbers like that is nothing to sneeze at. Sorry I said what I did, but I hate it when people just throw out these predictions good or bad. Let the kid show what he can do before you just say he's a waste of scholarship. Kid is super talented and can be a great QB.
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Fair response. We are not disagreeing about his talent and I was not trying to predict. I fully agree he is talented and would like to see him signed up if he is full time. Talent alone will get him nothing at this level playing for Butch. He has to work hard in the off season as well to keep a football scholarship. I know UT's system for development under Butch. This is why you do not see football players on the basketball team either. It is year round endeavor.

Winston was an unusually special talent that was way further advanced in both sports than this guy is at the same stage. At least in sports anyway, not necessarily at life.

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Vols4us said:
Fair response. We are not disagreeing about his talent and I was not trying to predict. I fully agree he is talented and would like to see him signed up if he is full time. Talent alone will get him nothing at this level playing for Butch. He has to work hard in the off season as well to keep a football scholarship. I know UT's system for development under Butch. This is why you do not see football players on the basketball team either. It is year round endeavor.

Winston was an unusually special talent that was way further advanced in both sports than this guy is at the same stage. At least in sports anyway, not necessarily at life.

:hi:
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Fair enough. I think Guarantano is a Winston type talent though... Kid is going to be special!
 
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FWIW it finally occurred to me that Bubba's QB's skills reminded my of Francois' in HS. Similar physiques and styles, not quite as advanced. Also FWIW, he was the #1 DT QB coming out of HS and still RS'd.
 
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Vols4us said:
FWIW it finally occurred to me that Bubba's QB's skills reminded my of Francois' in HS. Similar physiques and styles, not quite as advanced. Also FWIW, he was the #1 DT QB coming out of HS and still RS'd.
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Did Winston play as a true freshman? I thought he redshirted as well.
 
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CNeagleVolFan said:
Fair enough. I think Guarantano is a Winston type talent though... Kid is going to be special!
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Another thing we agree on. Saw him in fall practice a couple times. Good times ahead. The players are 100% sold on him. The O-line will kill themselves protecting him. Forget the Dobbs passing accuracy issues. Different style runner, but quick as a cat. Has to learn to put air under it like most young guys and get his adrenaline under control.
 
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Vols4us said:
Another thing we agree on. Saw him in fall practice a couple times. Good times ahead. The players are 100% sold on him. The O-line will kill themselves protecting him. Forget the Dobbs passing accuracy issues. Different style runner, but quick as a cat. Has to learn to put air under it like most young guys and get his adrenaline under control.
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You think it will be hard for him to beat Dormady out? I think he will do it fairly easily, because he just fits this offense perfectly and has a cannon too!
 
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Vols4us said:
Another thing we agree on. Saw him in fall practice a couple times. Good times ahead. The players are 100% sold on him. The O-line will kill themselves protecting him. Forget the Dobbs passing accuracy issues. Different style runner, but quick as a cat. Has to learn to put air under it like most young guys and get his adrenaline under control.
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I've seen some reference a lack of rushing production in high school as a concern. You're not concerned I take it?
 
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Also in my opinion Guarantano is a Mariota clone with size, speed, arm strength, ad accuracy. If we have a Mariota in Guarantano we will have a special special year next year!
 
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CNeagleVolFan said:
Did Winston play as a true freshman? I thought he redshirted as well.
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He did. He was behind a guy he was better than in EJ Manuel. Did not want to make it sound like he started as a freshman. He was ready to start as a true freshman. Francois needed the RS to get physically ready and learn the system. He was like JG and Bubba coming out of HS.
 
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LoudOrange said:
I've seen some reference a lack of rushing production in high school as a concern. You're not concerned I take it?
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I actually heard his O-line was horrible in high school, so he did a lot on his own. Also part of the reason he got beat up pretty bad in high school.
 
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CNeagleVolFan said:
Also in my opinion Guarantano is a Mariota clone with size, speed, arm strength, ad accuracy. If we have a Mariota in Guarantano we will have a special special year next year!
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He is quicker/faster than MM, throws harder, is equally accurate, and is physically shorter than MM by a couple of inches and weighs a good amount less. He will make plays that probably would not ordinarily be made. He just needs maturity and experience. Hope he can add some more good weight to help him take the hits. MM got to play in the less physical PAC 12. SEC D's are brutal.
 
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LoudOrange said:
I've seen some reference a lack of rushing production in high school as a concern. You're not concerned I take it?
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CNeagleVolFan said:
I actually heard his O-line was horrible in high school, so he did a lot on his own. Also part of the reason he got beat up pretty bad in high school.
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CNeagle has it right. He was the production on offense of the team. He was hurt and out much of his senior year. Came back for the state playoffs IIRC and got shellacked. The team was a typical average HS bunch that had a superstar to lift them to a place they would not even be able to see without him.

He will run well in this offense. Different style as I said. Where tacklers sort of fall off Dobbs, with JG they will whiff due to his quickness. Will probably go down quicker on the same hits than Dobbs.
 
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Vols4us said:
He is quicker/faster than MM, throws harder, is equally accurate, and is physically shorter than MM by a couple of inches and weighs a good amount less. He will make plays that probably would not ordinarily be made. He just needs maturity and experience. Hope he can add some more good weight to help him take the hits. MM got to play in the less physical PAC 12. SEC D's are brutal.
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Well I honestly believe he can help lead us to a 9-3 or 10-2 record again next season as a freshman. Also I could see him winning a heisman here before its all said and done. Kids measurables are just off the charts
 
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BruinVol said:
He's making a huge finacial mistake not focusing on baseball only. He is raw athlete that if he could polish his skills he easily could get 7 figures for his signature 3 years from now.

He isn't anywhere close to that in football and besides there is much much money in professional baseball than football anyway.
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he can concentrate on baseball and still back up jg
 
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BruinVol said:
He is going to be a high draft this year because he has raw tools but supposedly doesn't perform as a hitter and needs hundreds/thousands of at bats to become a legit 7 figure draft by the MLB. He won't get those without playing baseball in the fall and summer. Actually being a pitcher would be easier than being a raw hitter needed ABs to develop
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He's a big speed, raw, no pop bat. He isn't going in the top ten rounds. He would only miss fall ball, I've done this myself.
 
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