'17 Class discussion (split)

[butchna]

So much density, so little comprehension. LOL

So many important issues...so far you stray from them to harp on meaningless minutiae. HARHARHAR.

 

[Fullfillmer]

Bottom line is this: on the current trajectory, this class is destined to finish around 15th, meaning around 8th in the SEC. There's really no spinning it otherwise.

Or, everyone around here better get warm to the idea of cutting commits, as Butch pulls in bigger fish late and tosses a few back. Embrace the filthiness of the game, these are your two outcomes.

Not liking your two options - because neither is likely imho.

A couple of these guys might change their minds about coming here, one or two if they don't develop as expected as the year progresses might get placed at another school and this will be a good to great class much like the first two large classes that Butch signed, where he started with mostly 3 stars and then filled in with 4 and 5 stars. Tennessee will be a hot product on the field and will draw a lot of attention as the season progresses which will help as well.

Don't slit your wrists just yet.

 

[butchna]

Um...no. Not really. mostly 4's and 5's. very few 3's.

Ummm? Go down the roster...you might be surprised.

LG Robertson
C Thomas
RG Wiesman
RT Hall
QB Dobbs
WR Smith
TE Wolf
DE Vereen
LB Maybin
CB Sutton
S Gaulden

All consensus 3 stars or lower. This is most likely to confirmed starters and pending positional battles that could add more. And I didn't add the two kicking positions...but that's :victory: more. 11 out of 22 > "a few". :hi:

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Vandy has 1 commit..

Mason needs to find some coaches with hotter wives, ASAP.

 

[BaldBiker]

Um...no. Not really. mostly 4's and 5's. very few 3's.

Um....yes.

My post. One of the easiest things to verify......is where you choose to chime in? ...

smdh

 

[LordVOLdemort]

Thanks, OP, for solidifying why I take a break from this site throughout summer.

3 stars can turn into 4 stars, and we are still high with a lot of 4/5 stars... Ask Sutton what he thinks about star ratings.

It's retarded to panic in June about class rankings, but it never fails that some of the loud minority do it every summer. We are on the precipice of one of the best seasons we've had in 10 years... If you build it, they will come

I trust Butch in this matter. He hasn't proved me wrong yet.

 

[BaldBiker]

Ummm? Go down the roster...you might be surprised.

LG Robertson
C Thomas
RG Wiesman
RT Hall
QB Dobbs
WR Smith
TE Wolf
DE Vereen
LB Maybin
CB Sutton
S Gaulden

All consensus 3 stars or lower. This is most likely to confirmed starters and pending positional battles that could add more. And I didn't add the two kicking positions...but that's :victory: more. 11 out of 22 > "a few". :hi:

Hell butchna, you put more effort into it than I did. I found seven just glancing at the roster, you actually spent a minute to look at it....lol.

Baffles me how people will argue with you over facts that are so easy to find. There really is no arguing the number of 3*'s starting on our team right now. It is a fact....they are there....they are starters.

 

[Memphisvol87]

Ummm? Go down the roster...you might be surprised.

LG Robertson
C Thomas
RG Wiesman
RT Hall
QB Dobbs
WR Smith
TE Wolf
DE Vereen
LB Maybin
CB Sutton
S Gaulden

All consensus 3 stars or lower. This is most likely to confirmed starters and pending positional battles that could add more. And I didn't add the two kicking positions...but that's :victory: more. 11 out of 22 > "a few". :hi:

This is spot on. Sure you can argue this both ways, but since butch has been in town it has worked in our favor. He and his team can evaluate talent. We are getting serious production out of some 3 stars, sutton being the superstar example.
We need top tier recruits too, but butch has consistently improved each year, and our roster is heading in the right direction just like our win column. Let's have faith , it's June.

 

[BaldBiker]

lol. I really don't see how Animal House is considered a classic. They really must have been in need of good movies back in your day.

I watched your ill-advised movie. You should watch one I recommend now. Maybe a musical or something good. I'll be nice though - Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog. Seen it?

Ouch. You cut me deep Kristy.

I actually like musicals. Ever seen Avenue Q? I am actually checking out Dr Horrible as I VN. :good!:

 

[BaldBiker]

This is spot on. Sure you can argue this both ways, but since butch has been in town it has worked in our favor. He and his team can evaluate talent. We are getting serious production out of some 3 stars, sutton being the superstar example.
We need top tier recruits too, but butch has consistently improved each year, and our roster is heading in the right direction just like our win column. Let's have faith , it's June.

It's not just the evaluations. It's also the development. Our coaching staff (I suppose it can be argued with the exception of one) is great at developing the players we do have.

 

[FlyFishnVol]

The funniest part is he was actually being serious.

I think there is some validity to the concern, I know 4* and 5* like to wait to commit, but we are giving away slots to obliviously good athletes, but when you look who has brought UT to the top again, the 4* and 5* players have the advantage. If CBJ and company are saying these are developmental players....I can see it. However, elite athletes build elite programs.........just saying.

Go Vols! :rock:

 

[Nationdom]

Im so pissed at this class right now and the piss poor job that Butch is doing. I don't know how to word it. Michigan just went into Georgia and grabbed two 4 stars while we are taking poverty 3 *s with offers from the likes of Southern miss, UCF, VAndy, Mississippi state. This was supposed to be the "best class ever" I'm tired of all the coping by people on here arguing that Sutton was a 3* and that Butch will "coach them up" we need ELITE players not projects! So Frustrating when you pour everything you have into this and these are the results we get.

 

[bignewt]

These kids arent even seniors yet dude. Breathe into a paper bag for 30 and think about that for a second.

 

[chavisut]

Ummm? Go down the roster...you might be surprised.

LG Robertson
C Thomas
RG Wiesman
RT Hall
QB Dobbs
WR Smith
TE Wolf
DE Vereen
LB Maybin
CB Sutton
S Gaulden

All consensus 3 stars or lower. This is most likely to confirmed starters and pending positional battles that could add more. And I didn't add the two kicking positions...but that's :victory: more. 11 out of 22 > "a few". :hi:

JRM was a 4 star. Gaulden was on Rivals. Otherwise, the rest were 3. You can survive if a third to half your class is made up of 3s.

 

[TennMan101]

I have to agree that Gray is the only recruit I am impressed with so far. This was a great year in-state and right now we are coming up short. Today set us up for a mediocre class, even if we land some bigger names down the road. I look at the offer lists of some of the guys we are getting and it just makes me shake my head. I love Butch but it seems like he is really reaching on some of these guys.

I hate to say it, but he will cut the lesser quality players loose toward NSD, if we get more big fish committed. Stop worrying and enjoy the process! This is how it has worked ever since CBJ has arrived here and I doubt it will ever change, as long as he's here, which is hopefully for a very long time!

 

[Crazy Ivan]

lol. I really don't see how Animal House is considered a classic. They really must have been in need of good movies back in your day.

I watched your ill-advised movie. You should watch one I recommend now. Maybe a musical or something good. I'll be nice though - Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog. Seen it?

Yeah, but were you stoned out of your mind when you watched Animal House? If not...well....I just lost my train of thought.

 

[butchna]

JRM was a 4 star. Gaulden was on Rivals. Otherwise, the rest were 3. You can survive if a third to half your class is made up of 3s.

Remembered wrongly about JRM...COMPOSITE 4 star. Argued with some on here about North and Carr being the only 4 stars in that class. Gaulden was composite 3 star in the next class. Our proponents of loading up the roster almost exclusively with 4's + 5's need to reconcile themselves that along with the realistic drawbacks, Butch builds his teams along chemistry and cohesion guidelines. Fulmer's teams started slipping when he took the stargazing fan preseason guide pick and choose method and slapped a roster together with expectations of gelling. Alabama's Saban teams are stacked with top prospects, but they don't win that championship with 4 star Bateman...they did it with 3 star Coker. Saban develops players better than any and he can't obliterate roadblocks by throwing a 5 star at them. More to this jazz than that. Butch is going to identify,scout,RECRUIT and then develop his types of players for this team. About the extent of the science of it. I'm sure we'll continue to have guys on a message board throwing out doomsday scenarios about said approach...you've been here every year, and we got more talented in spite of it.

Edit: by "you"...speaking generally, not directed at YOU Chavis. :hi:

 

[Go Fight Win]

Remembered wrongly about JRM...COMPOSITE 4 star. Argued with some on here about North and Carr being the only 4 stars in that class. Gaulden was composite 3 star in the next class. Our proponents of loading up the roster almost exclusively with 4's + 5's need to reconcile themselves that along with the realistic drawbacks, Butch builds his teams along chemistry and cohesion guidelines. Fulmer's teams started slipping when he took the stargazing fan preseason guide pick and choose method and slapped a roster together with expectations of gelling. Alabama's Saban teams are stacked with top prospects, but they don't win that championship with 4 star Bateman...they did it with 3 star Coker. Saban develops players better than any and he can't obliterate roadblocks by throwing a 5 star at them. More to this jazz than that. Butch is going to identify,scout,RECRUIT and then develop his types of players for this team. About the extent of the science of it. I'm sure we'll continue to have guys on a message board throwing out doomsday scenarios about said approach...you've been here every year, and we got more talented in spite of it.

Edit: by "you"...speaking generally, not directed at YOU Chavis. :hi:

Well said

 

[BaldBiker]

Remembered wrongly about JRM...COMPOSITE 4 star. Argued with some on here about North and Carr being the only 4 stars in that class. Gaulden was composite 3 star in the next class. Our proponents of loading up the roster almost exclusively with 4's + 5's need to reconcile themselves that along with the realistic drawbacks, Butch builds his teams along chemistry and cohesion guidelines. Fulmer's teams started slipping when he took the stargazing fan preseason guide pick and choose method and slapped a roster together with expectations of gelling. Alabama's Saban teams are stacked with top prospects, but they don't win that championship with 4 star Bateman...they did it with 3 star Coker. Saban develops players better than any and he can't obliterate roadblocks by throwing a 5 star at them. More to this jazz than that. Butch is going to identify,scout,RECRUIT and then develop his types of players for this team. About the extent of the science of it. I'm sure we'll continue to have guys on a message board throwing out doomsday scenarios about said approach...you've been here every year, and we got more talented in spite of it.

Edit: by "you"...speaking generally, not directed at YOU Chavis. :hi:

My man. :good!:

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Ummm? Go down the roster...you might be surprised.

LG Robertson
C Thomas
RG Wiesman
RT Hall
QB Dobbs
WR Smith
TE Wolf
DE Vereen
LB Maybin
CB Sutton
S Gaulden

All consensus 3 stars or lower. This is most likely to confirmed starters and pending positional battles that could add more. And I didn't add the two kicking positions...but that's :victory: more. 11 out of 22 > "a few". :hi:

Dobbs was a 4 star on 247 and ESPN. He was a 3 star on rivals.

I believe JRM and Gaulden were also rated as 4 stars by one or two services.

So you're wrong about all those guys being consensus 3 stars. Most were. But not Dobbs, JRM, or Gaulden.

 

[chavisut]

Remembered wrongly about JRM...COMPOSITE 4 star. Argued with some on here about North and Carr being the only 4 stars in that class. Gaulden was composite 3 star in the next class. Our proponents of loading up the roster almost exclusively with 4's + 5's need to reconcile themselves that along with the realistic drawbacks, Butch builds his teams along chemistry and cohesion guidelines. Fulmer's teams started slipping when he took the stargazing fan preseason guide pick and choose method and slapped a roster together with expectations of gelling. Alabama's Saban teams are stacked with top prospects, but they don't win that championship with 4 star Bateman...they did it with 3 star Coker. Saban develops players better than any and he can't obliterate roadblocks by throwing a 5 star at them. More to this jazz than that. Butch is going to identify,scout,RECRUIT and then develop his types of players for this team. About the extent of the science of it. I'm sure we'll continue to have guys on a message board throwing out doomsday scenarios about said approach...you've been here every year, and we got more talented in spite of it.

Edit: by "you"...speaking generally, not directed at YOU Chavis. :hi:

Haha I appreciate the edit. I've been pretty happy with recruiting to this point.

Yesterday was a good day. As long as we deliver on the field this year, I'm not worried about recruiting.

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

Dobbs was a 4 star on 247 and ESPN. He was a 3 star on rivals.

I believe JRM and Gaulden were also rated as 4 stars by one or two services.

So you're wrong about all those guys being consensus 3 stars. Most were. But not Dobbs, JRM, or Gaulden.

I laugh when I see you post this stuff. If 1 service says a Vols commit is a 4*, well he's obviously a 4*. Don't matter if it's Billy Bob's Bucksnort Recruiting Blog. He's a 4* dang it.

Now if other schools recruits are rated a 4* by 1 service, well those bums are obviously a 3*, if that.

Keep it up man. You do you, so I can keep laughing. Good times.

 

[butchna]

I laugh when I see you post this stuff. If 1 service says a Vols commit is a 4*, well he's obviously a 4*. Don't matter if it's Billy Bob's Bucksnort Recruiting Blog. He's a 4* dang it.

Now if other schools recruits are rated a 4* by 1 service, well those bums are obviously a 3*, if that.

Keep it up man. You do you, so I can keep laughing. Good times.

Almost didn't know that he "destroyed" my hand-crafted points...gems I miss for clarity. :lol:

And he "wrongly" stated that I said consensus...WRONG...COMPOSITE. Easy to look up between film review...big guy.

 

[VolinMichigan]

A terrible day for UT football. We just loaded up the class with a bunch of 3 star players. I am really disappointed with Butch and the staff. Don't know what they are thinking.

Good Grief. I'm just....wow.

 

[SSVol]

Hmmm...how did I miss this gem of a thread? Somebody leave the FF door open?

It is really amazing to me how much VN thinks it knows about how well we are or are not doing. Butch has repeatedly stated that he does not use recruiting services, preferring to build his own recruiting staff headed by a guy who has proven he can do the job. Let the friggin' process happen.

It won't, but even if the entire class ended up 3 stars, I would take a class of BobW vetted 3 stars over Dooley's best class. Every. Last. Time.