'17 GA ATH Marquez Bembry (UT signee)

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BruinVol said:
False


Most of these kinds of kids in the last end up being cut loose for better kids later.
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This is very debatable. A lot of the early kids we picked up will have been/will be factors moving forward.

You only thought otherwise because you couldn't keep half of them straight in the first place.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
This is very debatable. A lot of the early kids we picked up will have been/will be factors moving forward.

You only thought otherwise because you couldn't keep half of them straight in the first place.
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Good point

When the list is that long it does cause some challenges keeping up with them all

Biggest thing for me is The only one I know that has really done anything after we send him packing is the kid at OU
 
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BruinVol said:
Good point

When the list is that long it does cause some challenges keeping up with them all

Biggest thing for me is The only one I know that has really done anything after we send him packing is the kid at OU
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And that was only due to grades.
 
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BruinVol said:
Each class has had a "big" vocal instate early commit with the exception of last year and last year was our worst in state year


Jones was the guy in 2015

Vic in 2014


We need one very soon for 2017
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I agree that we need an in state commit to start getting on the other TN guys. I imagine we'll get someone like Fant or Hayden on board by midsummer to fill that role.


One thing you need to keep in mind though, is that this class is very different in a lot of ways from our past 3 classes for 3 very big reasons.

  1. We can't guarantee immediate playing time
  2. TN has a lot more top 100 guys than usual. Those types of guys usually want to have their moment and commit later on in the process
  3. Recruits will largely be sold on what they see Tennessee put on the field because the staff will finally have an experienced roster full of great talent and has no excuses not to perform well.

The combination of these factors likely points TN seeing the bulk of their recruiting success (or failure) happen between September and February. This has been the case for a while.

The time to start losing your mind and posting all your crazy conspiracy theories will be in the fall/winter, Bruin. Maybe stick to your diary until then.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
  1. We can't guarantee immediate playing time
  2. TN has a lot more top 100 guys than usual. Those types of guys usually want to have their moment and commit later on in the process
  3. Recruits will largely be sold on what they see Tennessee put on the field because the staff will finally have an experienced roster full of great talent and has no excuses not to perform well.
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100% agree with the playing time narrative but that doesn't stop the elite programs


I don't agree with the next point.
This program won enough last year and is getting plenty enough pub for next year for kids to not to need to wait and see the product. Not buying that at all
 
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BruinVol said:
Good point

When the list is that long it does cause some challenges keeping up with them all

Biggest thing for me is The only one I know that has really done anything after we send him packing is the kid at OU
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Yeah, but that's also denying the guys we've offered/taken commits from early like who are a part of our team and have done well.
 
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BruinVol said:
100% agree with the playing time narrative but that doesn't stop the elite programs
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Once TN gets to a conference championship, then it will matter less. As of now, TN hasn't shown that they're on the same level as those elite programs. So that's a moot point.

I don't agree with the next point.
This program won enough last year and is getting plenty enough pub for next year for kids to not to need to wait and see the product. Not buying that at all
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8 games is "enough"? Kids like Gibbs, Stevens, Trey Smith, Tee Higgins could play at any school in the country. Top 100 talent almost always goes to a school that gives them a chance to win championships or will put them in the NFL. Tennessee hasn't shown that they can do either of those things recently.

Buy it or not, that's the truth. If Tennessee had played in Atlanta and put more than 1-2 guys into the NFL in the past 3-4 years, our recruiting prospects would be very different. Our recruiting success in this class will have a direct correlation to the on field success we see and/or the NFL talent we produce.

But by all means, stick to your freakouts and conspiracy theories.
 
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BruinVol said:
Each class has had a "big" vocal instate early commit with the exception of last year and last year was our worst in state year


Jones was the guy in 2015

Vic in 2014


We need one very soon for 2017
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Lack of in-state talent and particularly legacy talent is what hurt last year.
 
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BruinVol said:
There's a few but not many. Most of our 3star "good gets" were taken much later in the process
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Not really. A big chunk of them committed before their senior seasons largely because UT was the first big time program school to really pursue them.

Coleman Thomas, Ethan Wolf, Austin Smith, Stephen Griffin, Chance Hall just to name a few.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Once TN gets to a conference championship, then it will matter less. As of now, TN hasn't shown that they're on the same level as those elite programs. So that's a moot point.



8 games is "enough"? Kids like Gibbs, Stevens, Trey Smith, Tee Higgins could play at any school in the country. Top 100 talent almost always goes to a school that gives them a chance to win championships or will put them in the NFL. Tennessee hasn't shown that they can do either of those things recently.

Buy it or not, that's the truth. If Tennessee had played in Atlanta and put more than 1-2 guys into the NFL in the past 3-4 years, our recruiting prospects would be very different. Our recruiting success in this class will have a direct correlation to the on field success we see and/or the NFL talent we produce.

But by all means, stick to your freakouts and conspiracy theories.
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So much ignorance in this post. I don't even know where to start at.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Don't care how bad the competition is in his film. He's a baller. He'll be a highly ranked 4 star with many more bigtime offers to come.
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It'll take him longer to adjust to sec ball because of bad competition, but he's clearly big and fast for a junior. Dews was around 200 at 6'4 at the end of his senior year, so I'm not sure where the comparisons to him came from.
 
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BruinVol said:
False


Most of these kinds of kids in the last end up being cut loose for better kids later.
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Not sure that's accurate, we parted ways with Okonya (4 star in at least one service), Marshall and Hart in the last cycle. Hart was asked to delay enrollment until January '17 - I'm not sure if there were others in 2016. I cannot remember prior classes except Dews, but I'm sure there were more. Ford was another we wanted to delay enrollment

Most of the kids whose evaluations I'm mentioning have not even enrolled (DCG), my point was are more often than not quick to spot talent - so far this cycle we have offered guys like Sears and Holloman that even the instate powers haven't really discovered- until we offer, then they blow up.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Don't care how bad the competition is in his film. He's a baller. He'll be a highly ranked 4 star with many more bigtime offers to come.
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He was a 4 star, and he dropped 4 star to 3 star. I've seen 247 saying he might get a bump, they dropped him as well. Everyone seemed to at the same time. At least now he gets the SEC bump but Butch needs better analytics. You let these kids commit to Bama and get the mega bump, then flip them.
 
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No reason to sweat a commitment at this stage. If the coaches think he can play, let him jump on board. Plenty of time for things to shake out one way or another.

Sure does look like this gentleman knows how to football, though.
 
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I was talking about game more than body type comparison. A guy that is a speed rusher in HS, but won't be a DE in college due to size. We will see what happens... We will see what he does in space as a LB if he gets to UT.
 
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B-sideVol18 said:
Tape is good, but what's the rush on taking this commitment? His offer list is nothing special, just like the first two. We don't have to worry about beating those schools out. Players with these type of offer lists are the ones we end up telling to look elsewhere.
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You do understand that the coaches have met with and fully evaluated this kid, right? They didn't offer based on Hudl video. It amazes me that people who have never seen the kid, let alone watched him go through workouts and drills think they can evaluate better on an internet video than the Bobs and Butches can with all the knowledge and resources they have.
 
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BondJamesBond said:
You do understand that the coaches have met with and fully evaluated this kid, right? They didn't offer based on Hudl video. It amazes me that people who have never seen the kid, let alone watched him go through workouts and drills think they can evaluate better on an internet video than the Bobs and Butches can with all the knowledge and resources they have.
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But but but they watch a lot of film.
 
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BruinVol said:
Fwiw that was my response when we took the first 2 of these "under the radar" kids.

I am changing gears Bigtime now and I am really worried that this is a sign we really do need to take these kinds of kids. We have lost our luster in the state for some reason and there is zero momentum. I have to think the negative PR is apart of this.

Seems like to me we are now in a place we might need to go down this road when I had really hoped and really believed we were past it

So no this has nothing to do with my feeling about cutting kids loose. I think this a sign of very bad vibes
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OMG you get worse every day on here. Time to put you on ignore...
 
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