'17 MS WR Jordan Murphy (UT signee)

#576
#576
IMO, Byrd is NEEDED more on defense.. Move him to CB but still give him around a half dozen touches on offense a game..
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#577
#577
m1al said:
IMO, Byrd is NEEDED more on defense.. Move him to CB but still give him around a half dozen touches on offense a game..
Click to expand...

And that may happen. But I've seen coaches try to play kids both ways before and it rarely works.

However, I would give Byrd a much better chance of success due to him spending a year playing offense in the SEC.
 
#578
#578
BigZiti09 said:
I like Byrd at WR.

The myth of him at CB is so overblown. Could he do it? Yeah. But I see why we put him on offense. Develop the secondary. There is talent over there. We need Byrd and Jennings to do the heavy lifting at WR next season with a RS frosh qb.
Click to expand...
I don't think it's a myth at all. Did you see him in his AA game?

Edit* obviously I was WAY behind with this comment lol
 
Last edited:
#579
#579
Our secondary needs a shot in the arm. It seems they've most likely upgraded the position coach there, and I'd love to see them move Byrd over there. There's a bunch of folks on here with much higher football IQ's than me, so I may be way off base here, but Byrd looks like the kind of DB's LSU has been putting in the league for the last 10 years or so.

I'd love to see him at starting corner, PR, and maybe 5th WR.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#580
#580
Darth_Shiveman said:
I probably should have said evidence instead of reason. But at this point, it's just an assumption that he'll see a great deal more targets.

The most target's we've seen a WR get in a season for us under Butch was Pig with 54 in 2014. That's 4.15 receptions per game. That was under Bajakian, and he loved her sweeps, so Pig also got another 15 touches on the ground to give him a whopping average of 5.13 touches per game. The next closest to him was Malone last year with 3.86 receptions per game.



And both of those guys were he #1 WRs. Jennings had the best year of a #2 WR under Butch in 2016 averaging 3 receptions per game (and that's with a bowl game where he was targeted 10-12 times for 6 receptions).


With Jennings set to be the number 1 WR and uncertainty as to what we'll have at QB, you can make a pretty good argument that we shouldn't expect Byrd to get the number of touches we'd hope to see from an athlete of his caliber.
Click to expand...

This. He could play 10 snaps a game on offense and get 2-3 touches.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#581
#581
chavisut said:
This. He could play 10 snaps a game on offense and get 2-3 touches.
Click to expand...

Byrd by all accounts is a first class athlete albiet a young one. I would guess that Warren would like to use him. Probably be a battle between him and Azzani. Personally id like to see him on D just because of the greater impact and what our dbs showed last year. Regardless i hope he can make his mark.
 
#582
#582
BigZiti09 said:
If he is as good as the Internet scouts think he is then redshirting him and expecting a 5th year is foolish.

So if he's a shut down corner like you seem to think he's not gonna be here for a 5th year so a redshirt would be beyond foolish. Which it is anyway. Byrd helped us last year.
Click to expand...

I know that there is no reason to RS him. There was not one game where he had the impact between winning and losing. However, if he had played DB last year and with all the issues we had over there, I do believe he would have easily had more of an impact than Buchanan did for example. He would've had a chance and this keyboard expert knows he was a top 100 type prospect and Buchanan was a three star that was not close to top 100. I can feel comfortable in my thinking that he could've played at least as much as Buck and could've helped our D way more than the little production of one or two plays a game on O. The only actual college play we have to base anything on is what we saw this year. If on D, he would have had the same impact that he had on O, then he is not going to be a player who would leave in three years regardless of position. That is not an advocate of a RS but only if you want hard evidence we don't have much to go on. You can say he should play WR and I CB. Either one of us at this point could be right and time will tell how good he is at one or the other because though I am not sure he should not play CB and a little WR, no guarantee the coaches would even do that. This kid is dynamic and if he is what everyone including the coaches think he is, he should've been involved more than what he was. Regardless, he did not do that much last year for a top 100 almost 5 star type player.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#584
#584
JacketVol said:
I know that there is no reason to RS him. There was not one game where he had the impact between winning and losing. However, if he had played DB last year and with all the issues we had over there, I do believe he would have easily had more of an impact than Buchanan did for example. He would've had a chance and this keyboard expert knows he was a top 100 type prospect and Buchanan was a three star that was not close to top 100. I can feel comfortable in my thinking that he could've played at least as much as Buck and could've helped our D way more than the little production of one or two plays a game on O. The only actual college play we have to base anything on is what we saw this year. If on D, he would have had the same impact that he had on O, then he is not going to be a player who would leave in three years regardless of position. That is not an advocate of a RS but only if you want hard evidence we don't have much to go on. You can say he should play WR and I CB. Either one of us at this point could be right and time will tell how good he is at one or the other because though I am not sure he should not play CB and a little WR, no guarantee the coaches would even do that. This kid is dynamic and if he is what everyone including the coaches think he is, he should've been involved more than what he was. Regardless, he did not do that much last year for a top 100 almost 5 star type player.
Click to expand...

The entire secondary played awful last year. No reason to think Byrd wouldn't have as well.

I'm not even saying he can't play corner and be good.

I'm saying I see why the coaches put him there. If he had been a corner and stayed behind Sutton and Martin as the staff was probably thinking he would have wasted away on the bench. Redshirting him is the worst of the three options. By far.

I also see the need for him at WR next year. And if he stays there and breaks out as a WR the keyboard scout experts will claim that he is a great WR but could've been Deion at corner.

Also if we had pulled out the Texas AM game he would have been a guy who made a huge game saving play that lead to it. Too bad our O had 7 turnovers.
 
#585
#585
BigZiti09 said:
If Martin lived up to his billing and Sutton stayed healthy then Byrd would have wasted away on the bench.

He wasn't wasted at all. Gained SEC experience. It doesn't happen overnight for these guys. Meachem and Malone are perfect examples. It takes a while for most to reach their potential no matter how talented they are. Then you get one awesome season from them and they go from 5* bust to early entry into the NFL draft overnight.
Click to expand...

You make some valid points.
But Byrd has expressed that his heart lies on the defensive side of the ball.

He's twice the player there, and he was damn effective on offense.

He's an athletic safety that's playing offense.
 
#586
#586
BigZiti09 said:
And that may happen. But I've seen coaches try to play kids both ways before and it rarely works.

However, I would give Byrd a much better chance of success due to him spending a year playing offense in the SEC.
Click to expand...

I say give him a shot to play both Throughout spring ball. You are right in that it's hard for kids to play both ways even if it's only part time on one side of the ball. Some can do it and some can't. Give him a shot in the spring. See if he can handle playing D full time and offense about 10-15 plays a game. See if he can manage being in multiple position meeting rooms throughout the day. Adoree said that was his biggest struggle, balancing multiple meetings. No matter what butch should at least give him a shot and if he struggles, keep him at whatever position he looked best at or is needed more.
 
#587
#587
LittleVol said:
You make some valid points.
But Byrd has expressed that his heart lies on the defensive side of the ball.

He's twice the player there, and he was damn effective on offense.

He's an athletic safety that's playing offense.
Click to expand...

Yes he said out of his own mouth he likes defense more. We need young playmakers like Byrd, Warrio and Osborne playing together in the back end. Don't recruit top 100 prospects on the back end then go to switching guys around. Let them go shut WRs down. Keep the 3 stars on offense. Your best athletes should always be on defense. That's always been the policy.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#588
#588
The Breakerboy said:
Yes he said out of his own mouth he likes defense more. We need young playmakers like Byrd, Warrio and Osborne playing together in the back end. Don't recruit top 100 prospects on the back end then go to switching guys around. Let them go shut WRs down. Keep the 3 stars on offense. Your best athletes should always be on defense. That's always been the policy.
Click to expand...
This. All day, every day. Defense wins championships.
 
#589
#589
The Breakerboy said:
Yes he said out of his own mouth he likes defense more. We need young playmakers like Byrd, Warrio and Osborne playing together in the back end. Don't recruit top 100 prospects on the back end then go to switching guys around. Let them go shut WRs down. Keep the 3 stars on offense. Your best athletes should always be on defense. That's always been the policy.
Click to expand...

Totally agree with that BB. :good!:
 
#590
#590
LittleVol said:
You make some valid points.
But Byrd has expressed that his heart lies on the defensive side of the ball.

He's twice the player there, and he was damn effective on offense.

He's an athletic safety that's playing offense.
Click to expand...

If he never plays D, then we will never know. If he stays at WR and plays and becomes a number one pick then that is great because we probably have done pretty well. But, it is not keyboard coaching to think with this kid's background that he would be very good on D and at corner.
 
#591
#591
The Breakerboy said:
Yes he said out of his own mouth he likes defense more. We need young playmakers like Byrd, Warrio and Osborne playing together in the back end. Don't recruit top 100 prospects on the back end then go to switching guys around. Let them go shut WRs down. Keep the 3 stars on offense. Your best athletes should always be on defense. That's always been the policy.
Click to expand...

Love this. I love the old days when Chavis was a master of taking RB's and turning them into LB's. Eric Westmoreland was a great example. I fully agree let Byrd go to defense. We need speed, athleticism, and guys with great body control on defense.
 
#592
#592
Calloway and Brandon Johnson have me excited about those two. I want to see what Williams looks like second year. Kid is FAST. 😎😎😎😎😎
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#593
#593
JacketVol said:
If he never plays D, then we will never know. If he stays at WR and plays and becomes a number one pick then that is great because we probably have done pretty well. But, it is not keyboard coaching to think with this kid's background that he would be very good on D and at corner.
Click to expand...

Byrd can be an NFL wide receiver.
His hands, speed, physicality and competitiveness would give him that chance.

Yeah he can be a good CB too, but his overall skill-set would make him a Great safety imo.

He loves contact.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top