'17 TN ATH Jacoby Stevens (LSU commit)

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McGeesPub said:
Honestly we need to find a place for Austin Thomas. He's from Franklin, and comes from a big UT family.
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Not happening, the first thing they did today was put him as General Manager. Yep, you read that right. Oversees recruiting and personnel (don't ask, don't know).

Stevens isn't going anywhere as long as Austin Thomas is still there, they made this move to save their recruiting class.
 
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secking said:
Not happening, the first thing they did today was put him as General Manager. Yep, you read that right. Oversees recruiting and personnel (don't ask, don't know).

Stevens isn't going anywhere as long as Austin Thomas is still there, they made this move to save their recruiting class.
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Yeah, I understand that. But all bets are off when you bring in a new coach.
 
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volatil said:
No way a new coach doesn't bring a new staff. Come on down JaCoby
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If LSU targets and hires an offensive minded coach, why wouldn't he want to keep Aranda? Maybe Herman would want to bring Todd Orlando along, since he has a great track record as well (though Orlando might get a look from Houston if Herman bolts), but I imagine most HC hires would be happy with Aranda.

Similar to how Fuente wanted to keep Bud Foster around at VT.
 
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you said:
do us all a favor and put D1 on your ignore list. Then we all want have to read you insecure responses to his posts that you don't like.

Heck, add me to your ignore list while you're at it....
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Or you could put HER on ignore? Or should she because she's a woman? :dunno:

P.S. You're too much of a ***** to put ME on ignore! :yu:
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
If LSU targets and hires an offensive minded coach, why wouldn't he want to keep Aranda? Maybe Herman would want to bring Todd Orlando along, since he has a great track record as well (though Orlando might get a look from Houston if Herman bolts), but I imagine most HC hires would be happy with Aranda.

Similar to how Fuente wanted to keep Bud Foster around at VT.
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Todd Orlando's star is high and Herman's success so far includes HIS DC. Aranda's reputation is sublime and if Herman had a mediocre to good DC in tow, he'd probably go for the upgrade. But if you have a relationship with your own young star, why learn a new coach?
 
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SportsVol said:
Hey "you" how about putting Kristy on ignore instead. She seems to have a better grasp on things than you and brings a lot to this forum.
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She does, but I get sick of all the insecure little babies on here trying to make them selves feel better by dogging a poster. Good grief, just ignore it. Reminds me of SMGVols and all the people that find joy in criticizing insiders. I guess it makes their crappy lives better. I like to come here and see a variety of inputs and opinions, not to see people try call out others.
 
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butchna said:
Todd Orlando's star is high and Herman's success so far includes HIS DC. Aranda's reputation is sublime and if Herman had a mediocre to good DC in tow, he'd probably go for the upgrade. But if you have a relationship with your own young star, why learn a new coach?
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I agree with this line of thinking, but there are a few things that make me thing Aranda is kept at LSU. This is all speculation and some of the points aren't that strong, but still.

  1. If they don't get Herman, I imagine most other coaches would be happy with Aranda.
  2. Orlando might just get a HC gig at a smaller school (maybe even the gig at Houston if Herman leaves) if Houston finishes top 10
  3. LSU's administration is paying Aranda a whole lot of money (3.75 million over 3 years, to be exact) and I imagine they'll try to get whoever they hire to work with him if possible. They won't want to pay his buyout on top of Miles' if they can get away with it.


That being said, who knows what will happen. For all we know LSU's AD will screw the pooch and bring in a guy with a defensive background and the point will be moot.

Interesting to think about though. A lot of factors in play when considering what will go down with LSU's defensive staff. Maybe Aranda gets a shot as a HC after 2016 or something.
 
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de1conley said:
Look woman read everything I say and not what you choose to believe from posters on here. The kid in question camped with us on more tha. 1 occasion. Facts are facts and I'm not about to spat with you about who came or didn't come to a camp. Hahahaha lack of ethics. I've talked Higgins, Amari, Wade and several others sorry you can't accept that a recruit is over rated. I've spoken in the past on recruits and ppl were mad or butt hurt so your buckering bothers me none.
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What is buckering? Is it something you do with Kiffy when he is in town?
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I agree with this line of thinking, but there are a few things that make me thing Aranda is kept at LSU. This is all speculation and some of the points aren't that strong, but still.

  1. If they don't get Herman, I imagine most other coaches would be happy with Aranda.
  2. Orlando might just get a HC gig at a smaller school (maybe even the gig at Houston if Herman leaves) if Houston finishes top 10
  3. LSU's administration is paying Aranda a whole lot of money (3.75 million over 3 years, to be exact) and I imagine they'll try to get whoever they hire to work with him if possible. They won't want to pay his buyout on top of Miles' if they can get away with it.


That being said, who knows what will happen. For all we know LSU's AD will screw the pooch and bring in a guy with a defensive background and the point will be moot.

Interesting to think about though. A lot of factors in play when considering what will go down with LSU's defensive staff. Maybe Aranda gets a shot as a HC after 2016 or something.
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All good points and very possible. The main variable is Herman actually accepting the position. If he does (and Orlando doesn't land a HC gig), no way does the LSU bigwigs chance imposing any conditions. Aranda doesn't last a second on the open market. I share your admiration for him but he hasn't been a guru very long...about 6 years. Orlando has been a DC for 11.
 
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I hold Kiffin responsible for a large part of the UT setback because his terrible character and shady recruiting tactics. Also because of the stunt he pulled when he left with having the early enrollees not report for classes. If he wanted to sway the other recruits to follow him then that is what happens, but what he did was completely classless. The first part of my argument has to do with the hiring of Dooley. Dooley, in my opinion, was the worst coaching hire in UT history. He wasn't hired because he was a great coach or recruiter. He was the worst recruiting head coach I've ever seen. He was hired because he was the anti-Kiffin. He was a program manager with the legal acumen to help keep us out of hot water with the NCAA due to Kiffins actions. That's why I personally blame Kiffin. If you never have Kiffin, you never end up with Dooley.
 
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bigl3327 said:
I hold Kiffin responsible for a large part of the UT setback because his terrible character and shady recruiting tactics. Also because of the stunt he pulled when he left with having the early enrollees not report for classes. If he wanted to sway the other recruits to follow him then that is what happens, but what he did was completely classless. The first part of my argument has to do with the hiring of Dooley. Dooley, in my opinion, was the worst coaching hire in UT history. He wasn't hired because he was a great coach or recruiter. He was the worst recruiting head coach I've ever seen. He was hired because he was the anti-Kiffin. He was a program manager with the legal acumen to help keep us out of hot water with the NCAA due to Kiffins actions. That's why I personally blame Kiffin. If you never have Kiffin, you never end up with Dooley.
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On the EE issue? He ramped up the classless factor by answering a reporter's question: "Recruits come to a school to play for the coaching staff...not to wear that YELLOW jersey".
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
If LSU targets and hires an offensive minded coach, why wouldn't he want to keep Aranda? Maybe Herman would want to bring Todd Orlando along, since he has a great track record as well (though Orlando might get a look from Houston if Herman bolts), but I imagine most HC hires would be happy with Aranda.

Similar to how Fuente wanted to keep Bud Foster around at VT.
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I think Foster is a bad example to use. Dude has been a DC for 20 years at VT. Herman may want to bring his DC along, especially if he wants to adopt a certain style of play.
 
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butchna said:
On the EE issue? He ramped up the classless factor by answering a reporter's question: "Recruits come to a school to play for the coaching staff...not to wear that YELLOW jersey".
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Agree and the we are going to beat UF garbage. Should have just kept his mouth shut. Truth be told he never should have been hired as a HC to begin with. You go from one of the best coaches in SEC history to an unproven collegiate HC? That was a stupid decision. Kiffin is a good OC but a cancerous HC.
 
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de1conley said:
Ok lets discuss this w/o UT bias. When he came to UT he had to purge the dead weight. A kot of guys went to S. Ala, N. Ala, HBCUs, D2, etc and still were not players or contributors. CPF had taken in a lot of over hyped kids that didn't pan out and were just wasting scholarships. He brought in a class tha was at the time highly ranked. In that 1 yr he dd not destroy UT. I mean hell look what he did with the roster he was dealt. Some of you obviously never had a dream job you always wanted. USC was and is a gold mine top 3 job in NCAA. When he takes it they lose scholarships and only get 15. My friend 15 scholarships per year and he still was recruiting top talent. Those years if Haden was smart should have been waived. No coach can win only bringing in 15 cholarships per year. This isnthe very reason many coaches in the SEC find way to maneuver around the 25 limit. The whole preseason rankings thing is kind of like the #9 ranking this yr. People guess then even if you win they drop you. When i saw it i laughed because they didn't even have 85 scholarship players and remeber due to sanctions guys left to transfer to other schools. So when he leaves Sark comes in and does what with full scholarships and talent already there. Take the over night flight out of it and think logically please ppl.
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So leaving us in an insanely challenging situation with hiring a new coach and recruiting did what? Made the program better? I mean the fact that you are on here criticizing the consensus of people who have been following the program religiously for decades and telling them to think logically is absurd. He screwed the program because he found something he wanted more. Is he a great offensive coach? Yes. Did he leave the program better than he found it? Hell no. He failed to consider character when evaluating many of his recruits, so though he is a very good recruiter, I would not consider him elite in that aspect of running the program.
 
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The Crimson Cried said:
So leaving us in an insanely challenging situation with hiring a new coach and recruiting did what? Made the program better? I mean the fact that you are on here criticizing the consensus of people who have been following the program religiously for decades and telling them to think logically is absurd. He screwed the program because he found something he wanted more. Is he a great offensive coach? Yes. Did he leave the program better than he found it? Hell no. He failed to consider character when evaluating many of his recruits, so though he is a very good recruiter, I would not consider him elite in that aspect of running the program.
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Excellent post. There is no logical way of painting Kiffin in a positive light when it comes to what he did to Tennessee or him being a HC. Kiffin is a career OC. He should just accept it.
 
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bigl3327 said:
I hold Kiffin responsible for a large part of the UT setback because his terrible character and shady recruiting tactics. Also because of the stunt he pulled when he left with having the early enrollees not report for classes. If he wanted to sway the other recruits to follow him then that is what happens, but what he did was completely classless. The first part of my argument has to do with the hiring of Dooley. Dooley, in my opinion, was the worst coaching hire in UT history. He wasn't hired because he was a great coach or recruiter. He was the worst recruiting head coach I've ever seen. He was hired because he was the anti-Kiffin. He was a program manager with the legal acumen to help keep us out of hot water with the NCAA due to Kiffins actions. That's why I personally blame Kiffin. If you never have Kiffin, you never end up with Dooley.
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If I remember correctly, Ed Oger was the one left behind to persuade....Doesn't he have some small connection at LSU now?
 
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MetalVolunteer said:
If I'm LSU, PR disaster or not, I'm driving a brinks truck to Bobby Ps house.
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I'm driving one to Tom Herman's house and there wouldn't even be a close second option. I know he has been trying to hold out a big time job in Texas and Texas could also be in play by years end. Think Herman could be a thorn in the side of Saban.And the type of recruits he could get at LSU he would be winning very consistently.
 
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