'17 TN ATH Jacoby Stevens (LSU commit)

[m1al]

I understand his statement is very likely to turn out to be incorrect. But......whew.....if you think that's the dumbest thing you have read on here then that must have been about the 3rd post you have read.

This..... And that's VERY sad..

 

[Greysondawg]

He UGA bound

His dad says the top two are now LSU and Bama; and with all the family he has in LA. LSU is now in the lead...which is where he originally committed. Sounds like UGA is out of it.

 

[SCOTSVOL62]

I understand his statement is very likely to turn out to be incorrect. But......whew.....if you think that's the dumbest thing you have read on here then that must have been about the 3rd post you have read.

Trust me I have read plenty. I have been a member or lurker for 10 years. The kid is the biggest difference maker to come out of Tennessee since Ramsey.

 

[de1conley]

Maybe the dumbest statement I have ever read on Volnation and that is saying something.

I agree D4H is a complete clown Saban salivates and says he has the thump of Landon Collins and better ball skills than Brown but he's not a star player lolllllll 😂😂😂😂😂😂

 

[LouderVol]

Hmm. I think I could probably land a very strong class while extending maybe 140-150 offers. Once I had a few years on the job, probably closer to 100.

Lots of folks spout off about our staff evaluations. How many kids with the window dressing Vols "offer" end up at schools like ECU, Temple, Memphis, or whatever? Lots of them. Where was the eval on those offers?

Yeah, lots of garbage offers IMO is part of the problem.

Bama offered 266 kids in 2016 according to 247 (including 3 kickers). they must be real shams at recruiting to offer so many.

* Alabama 2016 Football Offers

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

Bama offered 266 kids in 2016 according to 247 (including 3 kickers). they must be real shams at recruiting to offer so many.

They did. You might note though Saban didn't start doing that until a year after Butch was hired at UT and started the "early meaningless offer" stuff. Before Butch came to UT, 200 offer years were not normal at all. It started with Butch. Other schools had to decide to also start tossing out a lot of junk offers or risk being behind as far as "offering" goes. IMO it's not been a benefit at all. Probably hurt more than it helps. Even with bama tossing out 266, we're still way over that.

You are correct though. Bama now tosses out a lot of garbage offers as well.

 

[KBVol]

Maybe the dumbest statement I have ever read on Volnation and that is saying something.

You think that was dumb?....head over to the football forum and read his gems over there. For example, he just said we'll have 13 All-Americans off our team after a 15-0 national title season this year. And, that's just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[cncchris33]

Butch finds a way to innovate recruiting so well that even Saban is forced to follow suit and you find a way to complain about it...wow.

 

[Dust10]

They did. You might note though Saban didn't start doing that until a year after Butch was hired at UT and started the "early meaningless offer" stuff. Before Butch came to UT, 200 offer years were not normal at all. It started with Butch. Other schools had to decide to also start tossing out a lot of junk offers or risk being behind as far as "offering" goes. IMO it's not been a benefit at all. Probably hurt more than it helps. Even with bama tossing out 266, we're still way over that.

You are correct though. Bama now tosses out a lot of garbage offers as well.

Zero truth to the allegation that Butch invented early, meaningless offers.

 

[butchna]

Zero truth to the allegation that Butch invented early, meaningless offers.

He doesn't even TRY to be accurate anymore. Surprised Negavols haven't pounced at the notion that Butch invented a method that successful coaches are COPYING. :w00t:

 

[LouderVol]

They did. You might note though Saban didn't start doing that until a year after Butch was hired at UT and started the "early meaningless offer" stuff. Before Butch came to UT, 200 offer years were not normal at all. It started with Butch. Other schools had to decide to also start tossing out a lot of junk offers or risk being behind as far as "offering" goes. IMO it's not been a benefit at all. Probably hurt more than it helps. Even with bama tossing out 266, we're still way over that.

You are correct though. Bama now tosses out a lot of garbage offers as well.

So Butch "started" a trend that the best schools are following. yup Butch knows recruiting and that's why I am not worried.

Even at a place like Bama you think they are actually looking at 100 (or whatever the magical cut off is)players heavily come their senior year?

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

So Butch "started" a trend that the best schools are following. yup Butch knows recruiting and that's why I am not worried.

Even at a place like Bama you think they are actually looking at 100 (or whatever the magical cut off is)players heavily come their senior year?

I think it's reasonable to offer and sign a class of 25 while offering less than 150 kids total. Tennessee had done it for years. LSU currently does it offering around 170. Clemson does while offering less than 150. I believe I saw Stanford did it recently while offering 65. Obviously some schools do serious evals before offering. Offers mean much more at some schools. Different schools do it differently. I'd like to see a Tennessee offer get back to where it actually means something.

 

[SSVol]

I'd like to see Tennessee continue to do what has produced the exceptional improvements we have seen. The fact that it annoys Leb is just a bonus.

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

I'd like to see Tennessee continue to do what has produced the exceptional improvements we have seen. The fact that it annoys Leb is just a bonus.

I think to continue those improvements the staff needs to consider some changes to the way they recruit. I believe it's clear that some of the early tactics have caught up to them. Recuiting should not be a struggle when you're winning more. 2016 class was a hint of the problems surfacing. The slide has continued to 2017.

 

[LouderVol]

I think it's reasonable to offer and sign a class of 25 while offering less than 150 kids total. Tennessee had done it for years. LSU currently does it offering around 170. Clemson does while offering less than 150. I believe I saw Stanford did it recently while offering 65. Obviously some schools do serious evals before offering. Offers mean much more at some schools. Different schools do it differently. I'd like to see a Tennessee offer get back to where it actually means something.

Stanford has to offer fewer people for academic purposes, I think remember Shaw saying he didn't recruit the SE because wes all stupidheads.

and without being exhaustive I still think all the ones you mentioned are probably the outliers, or at least have sustained success. we aren't to that point yet. and with the Bobs (are we down to one?) we probably do look at more recruits than most other schools.

as was stated above, whatever it takes.

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

Stanford has to offer fewer people for academic purposes, I think remember Shaw saying he didn't recruit the SE because wes all stupidheads.

and without being exhaustive I still think all the ones you mentioned are probably the outliers, or at least have sustained success. we aren't to that point yet. and with the Bobs (are we down to one?) we probably do look at more recruits than most other schools.

as was stated above, whatever it takes.

A few others I found for some perspective.

Texas 123, Baylor 110, Oklahoma 200, Oregon 138, Washington 129, Florida 229, Cincy 340, USCe 234, Ohio St 184, Arkansas 171, Auburn 202, Michigan 231, FSU 175.

IMO the best staff in America who is considered great at evaluations should not need to offer 350+ kids to secure their class of 25.

 

[JCLawyerVol]

Gbo

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

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[CrunchingTheVolz]

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[Cdrnek]

A few others I found for some perspective.

Texas 123, Baylor 110, Oklahoma 200, Oregon 138, Washington 129, Florida 229, Cincy 340, USCe 234, Ohio St 184, Arkansas 171, Auburn 202, Michigan 231, FSU 175.

IMO the best staff in America who is considered great at evaluations should not need to offer 350+ kids to secure their class of 25.

With you being such a star gazer, I'm honestly surprised that your not on board with only offering all 320 4 And 5 star kids to make sure our class is loaded.

 

[Dust10]

With you being such a star gazer, I'm honestly surprised that your not on board with only offering all 320 4 And 5 star kids to make sure our class is loaded.

He counters that by overvaluing Tennessee high school talent. Pretty strange mixture.

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

With you being such a star gazer, I'm honestly surprised that your not on board with only offering all 320 4 And 5 star kids to make sure our class is loaded.

I'm not a star gazer. Just someone who realizes that class ranking matters in the grand scheme of competing for championships. There are lots of 3* talent I'd take as those recruits are a large part of any class. The ratio of 3* to 4/5* matters though.

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

He counters that by overvaluing Tennessee high school talent. Pretty strange mixture.

Our class would sure look better with Rogers, Higgins, Richardson, Hayden, Stevens, and Phillips in it.

TIFWIW

 

[Cdrnek]

I'm not a star gazer. Just someone who realizes that class ranking matters in the grand scheme of competing for championships. There are lots of 3* talent I'd take as those recruits are a large part of any class. The ratio of 3* to 4/5* matters though.

You have to look at coaching too. Heard a good comparison yesterday on espn that Georgia and Ohio state had the most espn300 recruits over so many years (can't remember the number) and look where that has gotten Georgia

 

[BaldBiker]