'17 TN ATH Jacoby Stevens (LSU commit)

[sjt18]

Other than harping on it constantly on here with you and your brethren, what exactly comes out of you being "concerned?" I'm trying to understand the benefit. What do you get out of it other than the satisfaction of calling out the staff? Can you personally, after feeling concerned have an impact on the perceived problem? You never offer solutions. Give us some. How doe we fix it? Or is it a problem that doesn't exist except in the mind of those that create it?

It is a chat board. Remember? It is where we come to discuss Vol football.

Harping on it constantly? Hardly. You are exaggerating. I've said very little about it. And when I have it hasn't been in the "sky is falling" way but as a discussion of a concern. Sort of like when I was accused of being "negative" when saying that there were things Jones could do to improve injuries.... then we saw him let a S&C coach go that had been with him a long time.... and folks like you chimed in that it was a great move to improve injuries.

So I was "negative" for recognizing a problem and suggesting it could be solved by changing S&C and practice methods. i wasn't negative any more than when you recognize you need to have your tire checked.

If some of you weren't so sensitive to any mention of anything that isn't going well.... this banter would have never happened. But it is sometimes hard to have a reasonable discussion without "offending" people.

 

[m1al]

sjt is just a blowhard that thinks he is has a lot more football savvy than he actually does. He thinks that responding with his break every post down like he's critiquing each sentence makes him look smarter. It doesn't, but he thinks so. Like everyone on here, sometimes he makes good points, sometimes he doesn't. The difference though is that he comes across like a pompous ass with his "there is no other answer than mine" attitude and his silly way of breaking down people's posts.

JMO of course. :hi:

Truth....

Painful but necessary.

 

[sjt18]

He thinks that responding with his break every post down like he's critiquing each sentence makes him look smarter. It doesn't, but he thinks so.

Actually I respond that way so that everyone understands what I'm talking about and what the other person was talking about. It isn't to prove anything.... just an attempt to avoid the "what are you talking about?" rehashes of every conversation.

 

[Vol464]

I've noticed that man. You seem a whole lot more relaxed on here lately. At least IMO. :hi:

It's that idiotic looking pink unicorn. Makes him feel better.
Edit:. And btw, spot on about sjt.

 

[RockyTop85]

This thread might as well be merged with the Tee Higgins thread.

Would love to see somebody make the case that between 2013 and 2017 classes there were more than 4 in-state players that Butch went hard for and didn't get.

By all means fahr Butch, though.

 

[bignewt]

It is a chat board. Remember? It is where we come to discuss Vol football.

Harping on it constantly? Hardly. You are exaggerating. I've said very little about it. And when I have it hasn't been in the "sky is falling" way but as a discussion of a concern. Sort of like when I was accused of being "negative" when saying that there were things Jones could do to improve injuries.... then we saw him let a S&C coach go that had been with him a long time.... and folks like you chimed in that it was a great move to improve injuries.

So I was "negative" for recognizing a problem and suggesting it could be solved by changing S&C and practice methods. i wasn't negative any more than when you recognize you need to have your tire checked.

If some of you weren't so sensitive to any mention of anything that isn't going well.... this banter would have never happened. But it is sometimes hard to have a reasonable discussion without "offending" people.

OK cool story, still waiting on your suggestions on our failure to attract TN talent...

 

[sanddune50]

Solid but you are counting guys who haven't committed.

But "solid" won't win championships. Saban doesn't get "solid" classes. He gets great classes. McElwain is starting to do well. I am not as high on Smart as some others but he'll get the "new guy" boost for a while.

I guess it again comes down to your hopes and expectations.

Touting McElwain's pedestrian classes and bashing Butch's supposed pedestrian classes is kinda contradictory. Creates the illusion that you are here to argue instead of having some sort of 'valid' concerns about our recruiting. Of course, like most over on the football forum, you guys tend to skate over NSD being 6 months away.

 

[sjt18]

OK cool story, still waiting on your suggestions on our failure to attract TN talent...

So.... if I don't have a solution, there is no problem?

Neither of us is privy to the intimate details of the relationships between UT's staff and these recruits. It is possible that some of your are right and Stevens was gone no matter what UT did. Or they could have had a chance and missed it.

But you don't have to be an expert in fixing a problem to know that getting 2 of the top 10 players in your state on any kind of regular basis is a problem.

Some have pointed to UGA recently.... without mentioning that Richt got fired. Even in a talent rich state, he couldn't survive without getting the best in state players.


FWIW, we KNOW that Jones IS trying to do some things. He recognizes it is a problem.... why do you bristle at the notion that it is a problem? It is pretty obvious he's working hard at building bridges into HS programs in ways that even Fulmer didn't attempt. He's holding camps and trying to develop some fan loyalty with players from across the state. But.... it is STILL problematic if you can't get the best players from your home state and particularly when you are really the only top tier program in the state.

 

[BaldBiker]

Truth....

Painful but necessary.

Tough love man. It hurts the one giving it too.

I had to take a few minutes to myself afterwards. Kind of like when you punish your child. You know you had to do it, but you still feel bad.

Ok, not really. I tried to give the man an out, in my very first response to him, by telling him I didn't give a damn what he thought, but he refused to cooperate. It is what it is I guess. I'll still sleep quite nicely tonight.

 

[sjt18]

Touting McElwain's pedestrian classes and bashing Butch's supposed pedestrian classes is kinda contradictory. Creates the illusion that you are here to argue instead of having some sort of 'valid' concerns about our recruiting. Of course, like most over on the football forum, you guys tend to skate over NSD being 6 months away.

I'm not bashing anything and have not suggested that Jones won't improve this class between now and NSD. I've said simply that it isn't good when UT gets so few of the top 10 players from TN.

I also didn't say McElwain had arrived in recruiting only that he seemed to be doing better. Hopefully they'll take some beat downs this year and push FL players who stay in state to either FSU or Miami.

 

[bignewt]

I just don't see it. A few TN kids don't want to come to UT this year, at least right now. Ok, fine. Its August and after the season come find me and we will reevaluate. Its not worth the keystrokes to type "we have a problem." So you can be happy about what is taking the field this year and be excited for it and not worry about recruiting or bog down every thread on here with the same negative crap. Your call. That goes for all of you whiners when you have a top 10 team about to go what what in the butt on some teams.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

What happens if on 12/5/16...

1. UT is undefeated and just beat Bama in Atlanta
2. Miles is canned after not meeting expectations again.
3. Kirby leads the Dawgs to a stellar 7-5 season.

 

[Dust10]

What happens if on 12/5/16...

1. UT is undefeated and just beat Bama in Atlanta
2. Miles is canned after not meeting expectations again.
3. Kirby leads the Dawgs to a stellar 7-5 season.

In this scenario he is Vol, imo considering that he decommited after Miles nearly got fired.

 

[InVOLuntary]

What happens if on 12/5/16...

1. UT is undefeated and just beat Bama in Atlanta
2. Miles is canned after not meeting expectations again.
3. Kirby leads the Dawgs to a stellar 7-5 season.
4. Clemson gets beat by Auburn, GA Tech, and FSU.

Added a little.

 

[sjt18]

What happens if on 12/5/16...

1. UT is undefeated and just beat Bama in Atlanta
2. Miles is canned after not meeting expectations again.
3. Kirby leads the Dawgs to a stellar 7-5 season.

I'm a little more hopeful that Clemson will have a worse than expected season... even if it doesn't sway Higgins it will provide Butch with a "see there" story for future recruits.

If #1 is true.... then it will help this year and should be HUGE for the '18 class.

I think LSU might be MORE attractive to some kids without Miles.

Smart will get a long leash and plenty of room to say he's fixing all the problems Richt left. I personally hope he fails magnificently.

 

[sjt18]

I just don't see it. A few TN kids don't want to come to UT this year, at least right now. Ok, fine. Its August and after the season come find me and we will reevaluate. Its not worth the keystrokes to type "we have a problem." So you can be happy about what is taking the field this year and be excited for it and not worry about recruiting or bog down every thread on here with the same negative crap. Your call. That goes for all of you whiners when you have a top 10 team about to go what what in the butt on some teams.

Wow.... :dunno:

 

[sjt18]

I just don't see it. A few TN kids don't want to come to UT this year, at least right now. Ok, fine. Its August and after the season come find me and we will reevaluate. Its not worth the keystrokes to type "we have a problem." So you can be happy about what is taking the field this year and be excited for it and not worry about recruiting or bog down every thread on here with the same negative crap. Your call. That goes for all of you whiners when you have a top 10 team about to go what what in the butt on some teams.

I've been a Vol fan for decades and a member of this board for over 10 years.... I didn't go anywhere when things were horrible. I'm not going anywhere now. "Live with it"

Football threads are for what's happening now. Recruiting is about the future. I happen to care about both.

Maybe you should read my response to a brave VT soul....

I'm confident that UT breaks the UF and Bama streaks this year. I haven't talked about Bama much.... but believe it will happen. Not emotional. I think there's good reason to believe UT has the guns to do it.

I think UT is the better team but UGA and TAM on the road are probably the most worrisome games.

I don't make the hard line predictions some do.... but believe this team is a 10 to 12 win regular season team.



And.... it still sucks not to get the best in state players

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

I've been a Vol fan for decades and a member of this board for over 10 years.... I didn't go anywhere when things were horrible. I'm not going anywhere now. "Live with it"

Football threads are for what's happening now. Recruiting is about the future. I happen to care about both.

Maybe you should read my response to a brave VT soul....

I'm confident that UT breaks the UF and Bama streaks this year. I haven't talked about Bama much.... but believe it will happen. Not emotional. I think there's good reason to believe UT has the guns to do it.

I think UT is the better team but UGA and TAM on the road are probably the most worrisome games.

I don't make the hard line predictions some do.... but believe this team is a 10 to 12 win regular season team.



And.... it still sucks not to get the best in state players

I'm not worried about this season. I think this team is playing in ATL for a conference title. I'm worried about recruiting, yes even in August as I don't want this confident feeling I have today about the games this season to be a 1 year thing. If you're restocking the 4-5* talent with 3* talent, IMO the confidence on winning games will be short lived.

 

[Vol464]

What happens if on 12/5/16...

1. UT is undefeated and just beat Bama in Atlanta
2. Miles is canned after not meeting expectations again.
3. Kirby leads the Dawgs to a stellar 7-5 season.

Party.

 

[vols 30]

I'm not worried about this season. I think this team is playing in ATL for a conference title. I'm worried about recruiting, yes even in August as I don't want this confident feeling I have today about the games this season to be a 1 year thing. If you're restocking the 4-5* talent with 3* talent, IMO the confidence on winning games will be short lived.

And they will struggle to win 7 or 8 games in a few years if there's not an upgrade in the next few months.

 

[vols 30]

I've been a Vol fan for decades and a member of this board for over 10 years.... I didn't go anywhere when things were horrible. I'm not going anywhere now. "Live with it"

Football threads are for what's happening now. Recruiting is about the future. I happen to care about both.

Maybe you should read my response to a brave VT soul....

I'm confident that UT breaks the UF and Bama streaks this year. I haven't talked about Bama much.... but believe it will happen. Not emotional. I think there's good reason to believe UT has the guns to do it.

I think UT is the better team but UGA and TAM on the road are probably the most worrisome games.

I don't make the hard line predictions some do.... but believe this team is a 10 to 12 win regular season team.



And.... it still sucks not to get the best in state players

Spot on. Nice post

 

[BaldBiker]

I've been a Vol fan for decades and a member of this board for over 10 years.... I didn't go anywhere when things were horrible. I'm not going anywhere now. "Live with it"

Football threads are for what's happening now. Recruiting is about the future. I happen to care about both.

Maybe you should read my response to a brave VT soul....

I'm confident that UT breaks the UF and Bama streaks this year. I haven't talked about Bama much.... but believe it will happen. Not emotional. I think there's good reason to believe UT has the guns to do it.

I think UT is the better team but UGA and TAM on the road are probably the most worrisome games.

I don't make the hard line predictions some do.... but believe this team is a 10 to 12 win regular season team.



And.... it still sucks not to get the best in state players

This is why I don't have you on ignore. Fine post right there. First paragraph has a little bit of azzhole in it (like mine do). The whole middle section is filled with informative opinion. Then you finished it off with humor that still gets your point across.

See. I'm not a total jerk. I even gave you a like for it.

 

[bignewt]

I've been a Vol fan for decades and a member of this board for over 10 years.... I didn't go anywhere when things were horrible. I'm not going anywhere now. "Live with it"

Football threads are for what's happening now. Recruiting is about the future. I happen to care about both.

Maybe you should read my response to a brave VT soul....

I'm confident that UT breaks the UF and Bama streaks this year. I haven't talked about Bama much.... but believe it will happen. Not emotional. I think there's good reason to believe UT has the guns to do it.

I think UT is the better team but UGA and TAM on the road are probably the most worrisome games.

I don't make the hard line predictions some do.... but believe this team is a 10 to 12 win regular season team.



And.... it still sucks not to get the best in state players

Lets go into battle together and we can see how dire our recruiting sitch is come January, i for one expect to be pleased.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I hadn't checked this thread in a couple days, and come back to find that someone took a huge sjt right in the middle of it. Gonna need a plunger, a bottle of febreeze, and 3-4 flushes to take care of all the sjt that's clogged up Jacoby's thread. May I suggest Freak move all this sjt to the Off Topic Forum's toilet thread? Much more appropriate place for sjt like this.

 

[JacketVol]

I think the concern is more overall than just this guy.

There will ALWAYS be reasons you lose an instate player that have nothing to do with the program itself. But UT only got two of the top 10 last year. Those who now claim folks like me are "whining" (which the only real whining is their responses to someone talking honestly about a problem) were saying "just wait til next year". Now.... "just wait til next year".

It also doesn't help that one of the top 2 or 3 players in the state is actively recruiting in state players against UT.

If we only sign 2 of 10 in state kids this year on NSD, then I will say we have a problem. Not before. It won't be a problem if we only sign 2-10 instate if we have a top 10 class despite it. Concerned now of course. But recruiting at the end of the day last year was very good considering the close losses and everything else. I think one problem is how UT is perceived with discipline. Alabama guys are playing after getting pulled over out of state with guns and whatever in a car. Our guys get suspended forever even when they end up not being in trouble.

I agree with how we are handling it opposite of the bama, georgia, and florida's of the world. However, some could be scared off that even if ACCUSED with no wrong doing that you will be off the team for a long time. If you are not doing anything wrong or even if you do it seems that you still get to play. I hope that stuff will catch up with other programs but I do thing some parents are concerned about what happens to their kid with the way things are having to be handled at UT with kids gloves anytime an accusation comes out. This is the problem along with other things. I have nothing to back it up but as a parent, I can understand this type of concern if I had a NFL prospect kid being recruited for D1 schools.

However, it will be a problem once NSD is in the books and our class is out of the top 15. More concerned presently with what we do starting Sept 1.