'17 TN RB/CB Chase Hayden (Arkansas commit)

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Does a grad transfer count against the yearly 25 limit or only against the 85 total scholarships? If not against the 25 then he’s an absolute take. We need more players immediately
 
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Grad Transfer would count against the 25 limit.

Hayden would be a good take because he's essentially a better JuCo RB option, since he's got 3 years in a SEC S&C program under his belt. He's a career 4.7 YPC guy and looked to be a beast when healthy his freshman year, Chad Morris coming to town derailed his career a bit and a new start in a better program should help.

Was a pretty high rated recruit from TN when he came out, and we recruited him then. Legacy player with a younger brother who we're very much trying to lock down in the 2022 class. He's a good option if we can't land another true freshman in this class to play RB.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Grad Transfer would count against the 25 limit.

Hayden would be a good take because he's essentially a better JuCo RB option, since he's got 3 years in a SEC S&C program under his belt. He's a career 4.7 YPC guy and looked to be a beast when healthy his freshman year, Chad Morris coming to town derailed his career a bit and a new start in a better program should help.

Was a pretty high rated recruit from TN when he came out, and we recruited him then. Legacy player with a younger brother who we're very much trying to lock down in the 2022 class. He's a good option if we can't land another true freshman in this class to play RB.
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Wouldn’t exactly say Chase looked to be a beast at any point during his career. He got off to a nice start as a freshman at Arky, ran for 326 yards. He was pretty good, he was serviceable.....but he was never remotely a “beast” at Arkansas.
 
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KBVol said:
Wouldn’t exactly say Chase looked to be a beast at any point during his career. He got off to a nice start as a freshman at Arky, ran for 326 yards. He was pretty good, he was serviceable.....but he was never remotely a “beast” at Arkansas.
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That 326 was on 61 carries for 5.3 a carry, with 4 TDs...on a 4-8 Arkansas team. We've certainly not had a freshman with that type of production in quite some time.

Not Kelly, Hurd, Ty, Neal, Lane, Poole, Oku, Brown, Hardesty...

The last freshman RB at UT to hit over 5.0 a carry was Lennon Creer, but he only had 32 runs that was in 2007. 2006 Coker hit 6.4 with 108 carries other than that Hayden's Freshman numbers playing for a bad Arkansas team are better than any UT freshman RBs in the last decade.

Alvin Kamara came to UT for just 2 years, he was a good contributor. Chase wasn't as highly rated outta HS though, but similar size and athletic profile. Alvin a bit faster in the 40. I mean there's at least some good tape on him to evaluate his skillset at the SEC level, something you don't get with JuCo or HS guys. So that's valuable, he's also a Memphis kid and David Johnson has a strong presence there.

I mean, I'd rather take a chance on Chase than a JuCo RB...assuming we can't add a HS kid. I'd prefer having a 2nd RB in this incoming group, even though I'm a big Tee Hodge fan.
 
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walkenvol said:
Does a grad transfer count against the yearly 25 limit or only against the 85 total scholarships? If not against the 25 then he’s an absolute take. We need more players immediately
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MoCo_Vol said:
That 326 was on 61 carries for 5.3 a carry, with 4 TDs...on a 4-8 Arkansas team. We've certainly not had a freshman with that type of production in quite some time.

Not Kelly, Hurd, Ty, Neal, Lane, Poole, Oku, Brown, Hardesty...

The last freshman RB at UT to hit over 5.0 a carry was Lennon Creer, but he only had 32 runs that was in 2007. 2006 Coker hit 6.4 with 108 carries other than that Hayden's Freshman numbers playing for a bad Arkansas team are better than any UT freshman RBs in the last decade.

Alvin Kamara came to UT for just 2 years, he was a good contributor. Chase wasn't as highly rated outta HS though, but similar size and athletic profile. Alvin a bit faster in the 40. I mean there's at least some good tape on him to evaluate his skillset at the SEC level, something you don't get with JuCo or HS guys. So that's valuable, he's also a Memphis kid and David Johnson has a strong presence there.

I mean, I'd rather take a chance on Chase than a JuCo RB...assuming we can't add a HS kid. I'd prefer having a 2nd RB in this incoming group, even though I'm a big Tee Hodge fan.
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Whitehead and Hodge, both 230lbs+ RB please.
 
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I'm just going to say this. If the staff offers and he accepts, it is because they know they can use him and feel he is a good fit. The reason I know this is because they have other options and have proven they know how to develop quality players. We are talking a Jim Chaney offense here. He has been known to do good things with RB's.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
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Sorry for the delay. The big picture is that his brother is a stud running back coming up in 2 years who everyone is going to want. We have plenty of roster spots available and Chase is worthy of one (on his own merit, brother excluded). The previous staffs by and large ignored west TN and by doing so spent very little time recruiting Chase and his family until it was too late.
 
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Not saying we have to take this guy but we clearly need some kind of help at RB. I like Grey but we haven’t been able to throw a screen to any RB all year and that’s where I think he would help the most. Chandler has been underwhelming this year for his ability. Jordan has flashed physicality but doesn’t have that second level speed.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
That 326 was on 61 carries for 5.3 a carry, with 4 TDs...on a 4-8 Arkansas team. We've certainly not had a freshman with that type of production in quite some time.

Not Kelly, Hurd, Ty, Neal, Lane, Poole, Oku, Brown, Hardesty...

The last freshman RB at UT to hit over 5.0 a carry was Lennon Creer, but he only had 32 runs that was in 2007. 2006 Coker hit 6.4 with 108 carries other than that Hayden's Freshman numbers playing for a bad Arkansas team are better than any UT freshman RBs in the last decade.

Alvin Kamara came to UT for just 2 years, he was a good contributor. Chase wasn't as highly rated outta HS though, but similar size and athletic profile. Alvin a bit faster in the 40. I mean there's at least some good tape on him to evaluate his skillset at the SEC level, something you don't get with JuCo or HS guys. So that's valuable, he's also a Memphis kid and David Johnson has a strong presence there.

I mean, I'd rather take a chance on Chase than a JuCo RB...assuming we can't add a HS kid. I'd prefer having a 2nd RB in this incoming group, even though I'm a big Tee Hodge fan.
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Hurd had 900 yards rushing as a freshman behind a bad OL. Acting like he wasn’t as “productive” as Hayden as a freshman is ridiculous. His ypc on just 61 carries is not the relevant stat in that comparison.
 
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GregAmsler said:
Hurd had 900 yards rushing as a freshman behind a bad OL. Acting like he wasn’t as “productive” as Hayden as a freshman is ridiculous. His ypc on just 61 carries is not the relevant stat in that comparison.
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Hurd also played in 6 more games, and had 129 more carries...total production between the two isn't the relevant stat. Chase had 1 less rushing TD despite playing less and having so many less carries.

Per touch Hayden was without a doubt more productive, not even debatable. If you're only looking at the total production for the season then you're missing the point of the discussion completely.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Hurd also played in 6 more games, and had 129 more carries...total production between the two isn't the relevant stat. Chase had 1 less rushing TD despite playing less and having so many less carries.

Per touch Hayden was without a doubt more productive, not even debatable. If you're only looking at the total production for the season then you're missing the point of the discussion completely.
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“The last freshman RB at UT to hit over 5.0 a carry was Lennon Creer, but he only had 32 runs that was in 2007.”

It seems you understood in this line the fact that smaller samples tend to skew numbers. Over the course of his career, the average has gone down. 4.4 in 2018, 3.3 in 2019.

I guess I’m just not seeing the point of comparing a guy who only had 61 carries to guys who actually had to carry the mail. No moreso than comparing Creer’s 32 carries to those 61 of Hayden.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
That 326 was on 61 carries for 5.3 a carry, with 4 TDs...on a 4-8 Arkansas team. We've certainly not had a freshman with that type of production in quite some time.

Not Kelly, Hurd, Ty, Neal, Lane, Poole, Oku, Brown, Hardesty...

The last freshman RB at UT to hit over 5.0 a carry was Lennon Creer, but he only had 32 runs that was in 2007. 2006 Coker hit 6.4 with 108 carries other than that Hayden's Freshman numbers playing for a bad Arkansas team are better than any UT freshman RBs in the last decade.

Alvin Kamara came to UT for just 2 years, he was a good contributor. Chase wasn't as highly rated outta HS though, but similar size and athletic profile. Alvin a bit faster in the 40. I mean there's at least some good tape on him to evaluate his skillset at the SEC level, something you don't get with JuCo or HS guys. So that's valuable, he's also a Memphis kid and David Johnson has a strong presence there.

I mean, I'd rather take a chance on Chase than a JuCo RB...assuming we can't add a HS kid. I'd prefer having a 2nd RB in this incoming group, even though I'm a big Tee Hodge fan.
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We’re talking about two different things. If Pruitt wants to sign Chase to add depth and for special teams help, then fine, certainly no problem with that.

But what I’m taking about is bigger picture stuff. We need a much better breed of running back at Tennessee than what we currently have and what Chase Hayden, a guy who couldn’t crack the starting lineup at Arkansas, would provide. We need “special” athletes at running back, guys like we’ve had in the past, guys like Georgia brings in every single year. Thsts all I’m saying.

So, if Hayden comes here, that's great, but let’s not get it twisted. He’ll add nothing that we don’t already have in the running back room.....average, serviceable guys who can’t be difference-making “bellcow” type running backs. So, imho, hold the scholarship for another position of need considering that we’ll have a full room at running back next year. Coach up Tee Hodges next year and focus a ton of energy and resources on finding and landing true difference making type running backs in the 2021 class.
 
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Memphisvol87 said:
Not saying we have to take this guy but we clearly need some kind of help at RB. I like Grey but we haven’t been able to throw a screen to any RB all year and that’s where I think he would help the most. Chandler has been underwhelming this year for his ability. Jordan has flashed physicality but doesn’t have that second level speed.
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I don’t think Chandler has much ability. Our RB’s are the weak link on the team. You don’t even have to see them play...just look at them physically compared to other SEC RB’s.

Surprised we are having a tough time with RB recruiting. Playing time to be had there.
 
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