$170 Million, Seriously?

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dantheman617 said:
This is the most frustrating day of my life. I am surrounded by people at work talking about how exciting today truely is. I have heard comments like "I am glad to see change. It is good to see someone who has worked up from nothing to president" OH, Well hell I didn't know that qualified anyone to be president. My biggest problem with this election is I feel most people voted stupidly. What I mean by that is they really didn't know what or who they were voting for. The numbers dont lie. What was it? like 90% of the African American voters voted for him. Hmmmm, I wander why? I wish him the best in office, but I wish his policies fail.
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Where are you wandering to? Over 90% AA voted for Clinton, Gore and Kerry. Hmmmm. I wonder why?
Why do people act surprised? AA are gonna vote 90% dem regardless. Dont try to imply rascism was at work they voted for the white dems too.
 
#78
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dantheman617 said:
This is the most frustrating day of my life. I am surrounded by people at work talking about how exciting today truely is. I have heard comments like "I am glad to see change. It is good to see someone who has worked up from nothing to president" OH, Well hell I didn't know that qualified anyone to be president. My biggest problem with this election is I feel most people voted stupidly. What I mean by that is they really didn't know what or who they were voting for. The numbers dont lie. What was it? like 90% of the African American voters voted for him. Hmmmm, I wander why? I wish him the best in office, but I wish his policies fail.
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Well..honestly...what are the normal numbers for African Americans...was this 90% up from the normal 85%? Perhaps the bigger question is how was voter turnout affected? Was evangelical vote down? Were African American and people under 30 votes up? Probably.
 
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TennTradition said:
Well..honestly...what are the normal numbers for African Americans...was this 90% up from the normal 85%? Perhaps the bigger question is how was voter turnout affected? Was evangelical vote down? Were African American and people under 30 votes up? Probably.
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Some 136.6 million Americans voted -- a 64.1 percent turnout and the highest since 1908.

Obama is the first Democrat to win a majority of the popular vote (53 percent) since Jimmy Carter.

By sex, BHO's support was 49 percent male and 56 percent female.

By ethnic group, his support comprised 41 percent of Whites, 61 percent of Asians, 75 percent of Latinos and 95 percent of Blacks.

By age, BHO's largest support demographic was 66 percent of voters under the age of 30.

By income, 52 percent of voters with more than $200,000 in annual income voted for Obama.

By education, his support came from those without a college degree and those with a post-graduate degree.

So, his victory was largely due to support from non-whites, from those under 30, from those with the lowest income and education, and from a small number of voters at the other end of those spectrums, while those of middle age, income and education tended to support John McCain. (not that they had much to support)gs

By religion, Obama received support from 46 percent of Protestant voters, 56 percent of Catholic voters and 62 percent of voters of other religions. BHO received 76 percent of atheist and agnostic voters.

The Barna Research Group looked at some other interesting characteristics of Obama voters: 57 percent of those who consider themselves "lonely or isolated," 59 percent of those affected by the economic decline in "a major way," and 61 percent of those who claim they are "stressed out" supported BHO
 
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Thanks, dan...but I was talking not about percentages - but actual votes. My point was that the percentage of African American support for a democrat is almost always going to be near 90%...what is important is the number of voters that turned out. My guess is that McCain didn't draw in the evangelicals (as did Bush), but Obama did bring out the AA and under 30 crowds, I would think....
 
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dantheman617 said:
copied this from another thread

Some 136.6 million Americans voted -- a 64.1 percent turnout and the highest since 1908.

Obama is the first Democrat to win a majority of the popular vote (53 percent) since Jimmy Carter.

By sex, BHO's support was 49 percent male and 56 percent female.

By ethnic group, his support comprised 41 percent of Whites, 61 percent of Asians, 75 percent of Latinos and 95 percent of Blacks.

By age, BHO's largest support demographic was 66 percent of voters under the age of 30.

By income, 52 percent of voters with more than $200,000 in annual income voted for Obama.

By education, his support came from those without a college degree and those with a post-graduate degree.

So, his victory was largely due to support from non-whites, from those under 30, from those with the lowest income and education, and from a small number of voters at the other end of those spectrums, while those of middle age, income and education tended to support John McCain. (not that they had much to support)gs

By religion, Obama received support from 46 percent of Protestant voters, 56 percent of Catholic voters and 62 percent of voters of other religions. BHO received 76 percent of atheist and agnostic voters.

The Barna Research Group looked at some other interesting characteristics of Obama voters: 57 percent of those who consider themselves "lonely or isolated," 59 percent of those affected by the economic decline in "a major way," and 61 percent of those who claim they are "stressed out" supported BHO
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Please stop with these made up "stats". 57% consider themselves lonely or isolated? 61% of the stressed out? Hah thats funny who made that up. I nor any of the people I know that voted were polled.The repubs are the ones who are depressed. Another fact, Gore got more votes than Bush Kerry really did but vote suppression hurt him. 52% with incomes over 200,000 voted for him and those with post-graduate degrees? How did those with the lowest income and education elect him then. Acknowledge it or not the middle-class overwhelmingly voted for President Obama. That is why he was elected. Your so called "stats" are bogus. And how did McCain win support of the middle-educated? What is that? BO had more support from college grads.
 
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i think a lot of ppl will be disappointed in who they elected. he promised everyone and their brother something. that's a lot to do. considering he's already backing out of some of his campaign promises is a good start(reported on the Today show last wk)
 
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k-town_king said:
Please stop with these made up "stats". 57% consider themselves lonely or isolated? 61% of the stressed out? Hah thats funny who made that up. I nor any of the people I know that voted were polled.The repubs are the ones who are depressed. Another fact, Gore got more votes than Bush Kerry really did but vote suppression hurt him. 52% with incomes over 200,000 voted for him and those with post-graduate degrees? How did those with the lowest income and education elect him then. Acknowledge it or not the middle-class overwhelmingly voted for President Obama. That is why he was elected. Your so called "stats" are bogus. And how did McCain win support of the middle-educated? What is that? BO had more support from college grads.
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I guess a national survey is bogus hmm?

I agree with the middle class overwhelmingly voted for Obama. Who is to say I didn't vote for him? Dont take it so personal dude, its just my opinion.

Demographics for US Presidential Election 2008 Brand Tao
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I guarantee you my facts aren't anywhere close to as wrong as the silliness here would suggest. There is no possible way that the cost are close. So kiss my relativism.
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It's not going to be 4 times. Even so, the difference Obama can control comes to 5-10M.

BigPapaVol said:
That math hasn't been included in the numbers for Obama. That's just costs on the ground. Add in the holiday (which is a garbage accounting cost) and the cleanup and you're going to get something more ridiculous.

Of that stupid number you pasted for us, the brunt was the senseless holiday math which actually had no incremental cost. It was garbage from the NYT to make it sound ridiculous. If you want to be relatavistic about this, you're going to need to put down the weed and add about $125 million to my number. Enjoy.
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Which still isn't 4 times the cost of Bush's. Settle down, put down the crack pipe and decide what you're saying. Besides, I'd like to see how those incremental costs could be avoided. Are you suggesting they turn people away or don't clean up?
 
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k-town_king said:
Where are you wandering to? Over 90% AA voted for Clinton, Gore and Kerry. Hmmmm. I wonder why?
Why do people act surprised? AA are gonna vote 90% dem regardless. Dont try to imply rascism was at work they voted for the white dems too.
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when Colin Powell endorsed Obama, it was racism. When avowed conservative AA commentators voted Obama, it was racism. When Oprah disallowed McCain, it was racism. When the press pushed race at every turn, it was racism.

I'm happy that we've gotten over the hump, but to pretend this election wasn't about race is naive. Clearly it was about the previous administration's issues, but race was a huge part in Obama beating Hillary and eventually winning the general.
 
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It certainly is excessive. If he wished, BO could have toned it down tremendously but he didn't wish to do so. He deserves the same (more?) criticism that Bushie got for his lavish inauguration.
 
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KB5252 said:
With four times as many people expected don't you think this years festivities will cost us even more. Since Bush's ceremony cost us so much more than reported should we not expect Obama's to be understated as well?
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I absolutely expect it to cost more, but the point is that the initial comparision did not include the cost of security, cleanup, etc for Bush's.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
when Colin Powell endorsed Obama, it was racism. When avowed conservative AA commentators voted Obama, it was racism. When Oprah disallowed McCain, it was racism. When the press pushed race at every turn, it was racism.

I'm happy that we've gotten over the hump, but to pretend this election wasn't about race is naive. Clearly it was about the previous administration's issues, but race was a huge part in Obama beating Hillary and eventually winning the general.
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My point exactly. Good post
 
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The Dude said:
It's not going to be 4 times. Even so, the difference Obama can control comes to 5-10M.



Which still isn't 4 times the cost of Bush's. Settle down, put down the crack pipe and decide what you're saying. Besides, I'd like to see how those incremental costs could be avoided. Are you suggesting they turn people away or don't clean up?
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You're not understanding. The incremental cost is actual cash being expended, which is what the $170 million represents for Obama's day. If we included simple accounting gibberish, like a day off for gov't employees in DC, then that number gets astronomical, but it wouldn't be cash outlay. The cleanup is.

If we're comparing apples to apples, the two aren't even close.

Pretending that Obama couldn't avoid the ludicrous waste is just a lie. He could easily slam the door on all of this in the name of our awful economy and our inability to afford it.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Oh well that changes things. That makes it far more essential.
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Actually it does, BPV. The cost IS directly related to the number of people attending.

And please show me where I have said anything about Bush
 
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truefan said:
Actually it does, BPV. The cost IS directly related to the number of people attending.

And please show me where I have said anything about Bush
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The cost is the cost and I don't care the drivers. If we know the drivers, we can fix them. We didn't. The driver should be the bottom line. Beyond that, people can pay their way.
 
#94
#94
Having Hannah Montana and Jonas brothers play at Michelle Obama's child concert last night was nice as well. Win over childrens hearts by having a concert of the hottest child bands out at this time. Smart move I suppose
 
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dantheman617 said:
Having Hannah Montana and Jonas brothers play at Michelle Obama's child concert last night was nice as well. Win over childrens hearts by having a concert of the hottest child bands out at this time. Smart move I suppose
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anyone arguing that Obama isn't a shrewd politician is dead wrong.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
when Colin Powell endorsed Obama, it was racism. When avowed conservative AA commentators voted Obama, it was racism. When Oprah disallowed McCain, it was racism. When the press pushed race at every turn, it was racism.

I'm happy that we've gotten over the hump, but to pretend this election wasn't about race is naive. Clearly it was about the previous administration's issues, but race was a huge part in Obama beating Hillary and eventually winning the general.
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dont forget to throw in JC Watts name in there. extremely disappointed in JC. I liked him, but he voted obama because "it is such a historical moment".
 
#98
#98
Let's just take $100 million off the top for example. This money could be used to help bring struggling homeowners current on their defaulting properties. 20,000 households could receive $5000 which should cover 2 to 6 months of mortgage payments.

Each of the $50K donors (Ron Howard, Jamie Foxx, Sharon Stone, etc.) could have helped a dozen home owners save their homes.

Or, we can have a kick-butt party!
 
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#99
You can read about it on the WashingtonPost

There is a blog...

Get There

People are already headed home due to crowds and someone fell on the tracks on the Metro (wasnt hit) and the red line (most traffic subway line in DC) is shut down

Some are tearing down barriers

Abadoned cars on route 50 etc etc
 
#100
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BigPapaVol said:
when Colin Powell endorsed Obama, it was racism. When avowed conservative AA commentators voted Obama, it was racism. When Oprah disallowed McCain, it was racism. When the press pushed race at every turn, it was racism.

I'm happy that we've gotten over the hump, but to pretend this election wasn't about race is naive. Clearly it was about the previous administration's issues, but race was a huge part in Obama beating Hillary and eventually winning the general.
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Maybe they realized, just like alot of white conservative commentators who backed Obama that McCain and Palin were not the right choice. One was a old career politician with a temper and napolean complex who was unfit to be president and one was a complete idiot without a clue when it concerns national or foreign policy or issuses. Its rascist to suggest intelligent, knowlegeable AA voted for Obama just because hes black. I guess the white Obama-cons were rascist too. I guess AA cant look at the issues and make an informed decison. Alot of conservatives went Obama esp. after the Palin pick.
 
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