'18 GA QB Justin Fields

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SaguaroVols said:
Wasted year. Redshirt the guy if he isn't gonna start at QB and save a year. I'd be pissed too.
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Well, did the kid actually believe that he would start? After a national title appearance?

As a coach, you have to have some foresight with these issues. If you believe the kid will be good enough to leave after his junior year, then you may as well play him. You waste a year when your redshirt sophomore leaves. I understand QB's can be different, but the concept is still the same. Also, the kid should want to go along with the redshirt plan as well.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Well, did the kid actually believe that he would start? After a national title appearance?

As a coach, you have to have some foresight with these issues. If you believe the kid will be good enough to leave after his junior year, then you may as well play him. You waste a year when your redshirt sophomore leaves. I understand QB's can be different, but the concept is still the same. Also, the kid should want to go along with the redshirt plan as well.
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Yes, every high school kid at that level is told by every college coach practically they can come in and beat out a returning starter. Try recruiting a 4 or 5* kid today and talk about redshirting. You might get 1 out of 50.
 
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wmcovol said:
Yes, every high school kid at that level is told by every college coach practically they can come in and beat out a returning starter. Try recruiting a 4 or 5* kid today and talk about redshirting. You might get 1 out of 50.
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Yea, that's kind of my point. It's kind of on him if he believed he was beating out Fromm. If Kirby told him that he would get some snaps, then he did.

But, you aren't going to recruit very many high level players if you talk to them about redshirting. Plus, as I previously stated, most (not all) 5 stars are looking at 3 years and then moving on.

All that said, I am not sad that UGA is having trouble with communication.
 
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It will be interesting to see where he ends up. Ga Tech would be a good landing spot with the complete overhaul of their offense. He would be the sure starter and about 20 miles from home.
 
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i'm sure he was promised the opportunity compete, and that he would play. i doubt seriously they promised him anything in regards to starting or snap counts etc.

it was weird that he chose GA though with Eason and From both already there.

and i do agree, there was no way he was told he was GOING to red shirt. was he told that he wouldn't be? dunno.

but i think this trend of these programs like Bama, Clemson, UGA, aTm, etc... getting 5* qb after 5* qb is going to run it's course. too many transfers have happened and at some point these prospects are going to recognize the trend and realize they have options.

and none of htese programs can keep all these qb's happy. it's virtually impossible.
 
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SaguaroVols said:
Wasted year. Redshirt the guy if he isn't gonna start at QB and save a year. I'd be pissed too.
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He’d lose a year regardless. Redshirt year would be used for the sit-out and he’s a redshirt sophomore either way at his next stop.
 
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Atlanta VOL said:
He is leaving UGA....he will not play in the SEC. Also this is a pretty big black eye for Kirby moving forward as it will certainly come out about him promising the kid to play etc...because everyone knows he sold the kid a bag of goods.
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It's hard for me to believe no one in his family could see the handwriting on the wall. Fromm was obviously a serious talent, his family must be dumber than a sack of hammers. It's also hard for me to believe Smart told him that he was going to bench Fromm so Fields could play, not with the way the Saban coaching tree (including Pruitt) preach competition, assuming he is leaving Georgia this sounds like butthurt that he couldn't beat Fromm out, but it still goes back to the family's stupid decision as being the root cause of his predicament. The kid could have started day 1 at probably 75 schools, they literally picked the worst depth chart besides possibly Alabama. Actually it's worse than Alabama because Tua can and probably will go pro next year. Fromm is far from as likely to leave early as Tua.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
It's hard for me to believe no one in his family could see the handwriting on the wall. Fromm was obviously a serious talent, his family must be dumber than a sack of hammers. It's also hard for me to believe Smart told him that he was going to bench Fromm so Fields could play, not with the way the Saban coaching tree (including Pruitt) preach competition, assuming he is leaving Georgia this sounds like butthurt that he couldn't beat Fromm out, but it still goes back to the family's stupid decision as being the root cause of his predicament. The kid could have started day 1 at probably 75 schools, they literally picked the worst depth chart besides possibly Alabama. Actually it's worse than Alabama because Tua can and probably will go pro next year. Fromm is far from as likely to leave early as Tua.
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It’s that “afraid of competition” scaredy-cat mantra loaded teams throw out there to add to their harem. See Alvin Kamara at Bama. And what Coach Wife Beater attempted to shade JG with.
 
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butchna said:
He’d lose a year regardless. Redshirt year would be used for the sit-out and he’s a redshirt sophomore either way at his next stop.
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then he'd have 3 years of eligibility left, starting in 2020, as you said, as a RS SO....if he transfers and sits for 2019.

question, if he did transfer, and 2019 is a RS year as far as eligibility goes, does he then operate part of the RS rule, meaning he could play in up to 4 games and still maintain the RS? or as a transfer, it's just "sit out, and can't play at all"? i was under the impression that that year you sat was a lost year of eligibilty, not a RS sitaution for eligibility.

if he stays at UGA, he's waiting to see if Fromm goes to the NFL after the 2019 season. which would make him "the guy" at UGA in 2020, but with only 2 years of eligibilty left.

sounds to me, all things being equal, he might be better off transferring? i don't see his path to the NFL getting sped up either way, as it appears 2020 is the first year he'll be able to have an impact anywhere.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Well, did the kid actually believe that he would start? After a national title appearance?

As a coach, you have to have some foresight with these issues. If you believe the kid will be good enough to leave after his junior year, then you may as well play him. You waste a year when your redshirt sophomore leaves. I understand QB's can be different, but the concept is still the same. Also, the kid should want to go along with the redshirt plan as well.
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Tua at Bama was behind Hurts. Lawerence at Clemson was behind Bryant. Fields at Georgia behind Fromm kinda fits the pattern except for winning the job part.
 
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butchna said:
It’s that “afraid of competition” scaredy-cat mantra loaded teams throw out there to add to their harem. See Alvin Kamara at Bama. And what Coach Wife Beater attempted to shade JG with.
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Here's hoping we are using that mantra in a few years!
 
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jakez4ut said:
then he'd have 3 years of eligibility left, starting in 2020, as you said, as a RS SO....if he transfers and sits for 2019.

question, if he did transfer, and 2019 is a RS year as far as eligibility goes, does he then operate part of the RS rule, meaning he could play in up to 4 games and still maintain the RS? or as a transfer, it's just "sit out, and can't play at all"? i was under the impression that that year you sat was a lost year of eligibilty, not a RS sitaution for eligibility.

if he stays at UGA, he's waiting to see if Fromm goes to the NFL after the 2019 season. which would make him "the guy" at UGA in 2020, but with only 2 years of eligibilty left.

sounds to me, all things being equal, he might be better off transferring? i don't see his path to the NFL getting sped up either way, as it appears 2020 is the first year he'll be able to have an impact anywhere.
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Nah, if you have 5 years to play 4, and you don't play the year after you transfer, then that doesn't count as one year played.

People tend to make too much out of redshirts. I don't think you like go down to the NCAA office and fill out paperwork to "redshirt." It's just a term that was invented after the fact. I think the NCAA rules just basically say you have 5 years to play 4. It's not like they're out there approving or denying redshirt requests (unless we're talking about a 6th year of eligibility, i.e. "medical redshirt").
 
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LouderVol said:
Tua at Bama was behind Hurts. Lawerence at Clemson was behind Bryant. Fields at Georgia behind Fromm kinda fits the pattern except for winning the job part.
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I will give you that, but I will also give you that there are differences in those situations. Bryant was a senior this year until he decided to take advantage of the transfer rule. Do we know Lawrence would transfer if he hadn't started? I think many saw Hurts as a good but not great QB, and Tua actually didn't start until literally the last game half of the season. If Bama and UGA are tied at halftime, Tua may not even play.
 
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dimondvol said:
Nah, if you have 5 years to play 4, and you don't play the year after you transfer, then that doesn't count as one year played.

People tend to make too much out of redshirts. I don't think you like go down to the NCAA office and fill out paperwork to "redshirt." It's just a term that was invented after the fact. I think the NCAA rules just basically say you have 5 years to play 4. It's not like they're out there approving or denying redshirt requests (unless we're talking about a 6th year of eligibility, i.e. "medical redshirt").
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no, i get that.

i was just talking in terms of eligibility, that's all. if the year he sits doesn't count against his eligibility, then it probably makes more sense to transfer. cause Fromm is the guy next year most likely, so it's going to be 2020 before fields is "the guy" anyway.....and that's assuming Fromm leaves after his jr. year for the NFL.
 
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LouderVol said:
Tua at Bama was behind Hurts. Lawerence at Clemson was behind Bryant. Fields at Georgia behind Fromm kinda fits the pattern except for winning the job part.
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I think its pretty reasonable to watch Hurts and Bryant throw and come to the conclusion that Tua and Lawrence were going to beat them out in the long run. God only gives a few people arms like those.

Its like when Tennessee signed TRob, Charles Davis and about 6 other QBs in 1982. When the kids got to campus that fall, Davis said "we all came in thinking QB but once we saw TRob throw, it was time to start looking for another position."
 
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VolGee4 said:
I will give you that, but I will also give you that there are differences in those situations. Bryant was a senior this year until he decided to take advantage of the transfer rule. Do we know Lawrence would transfer if he hadn't started? I think many saw Hurts as a good but not great QB, and Tua actually didn't start until literally the last game half of the season. If Bama and UGA are tied at halftime, Tua may not even play.
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the what if game (transfers, who didn't play) is just that. QBs are/were willing to sign up with someone in front of them. Heck even Fromm was backup his Freshmen year.

The big schools can sell it. Not sure we are at a place to do that.
 
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