'19 CA QB Jayden Daniels

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reVOLution33 said:
JG was the number 1 dual threat in his class. 🤔🤯
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This is true but Rivals had Josh Dobbs ranked 20th in position and 43rd in the state of Georgia. I think some are more gifted and or catch on quicker . To be fair , JD also had a pretty good team around him when everybody had bought in and before the bricks started crumbling .
 
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Recruiting service labels don't necessarily mean much when it comes to QBs.

247 listed Sam Darnold as a DT QB. Rivals listed Dobbs as a Pro-style QB.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Yeah, but his long term upside was never going to be as a guy who's integral to a team's running game.
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His junior year he had only played 3 games but had about the same amount of rushing yards and tds as passing. His senior year he had almost 3,000 yards passing and almost 800 rushing. 39 passing TDs to 13 rushing TDs. Seems like dual threat to me. Helton turned him into a drop back passer with running ability. Go watch his highlights. He was a good runner and featured that ability is the videos he made. I look forward to what Helton can do here with JG.
 
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Sleegro said:
His junior year he had only played 3 games but had about the same amount of rushing yards and tds as passing. His senior year he had almost 3,000 yards passing and almost 800 rushing. 39 passing TDs to 13 rushing TDs. Seems like dual threat to me. Helton turned him into a drop back passer with running ability. Go watch his highlights. He was a good runner and featured that ability is the videos he made. I look forward to what Helton can do here with JG.
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I think we're both having two different discussions here. I remember Darnold as a recruit, and he was a very good runner at the HS level. I remember thinking he'd be a great fit for what we wanted to do under Bajakian at the time.


The point I'm making is him running well for his HS team and being listed as a DT QB doesn't mean that he projected to be a DT QB in college or that he couldn't become a Pro Style passer.


The inverse goes for Dobbs and how he was listed in HS as a Pro Style QB by some, when his upside was obviously as a DT QB whose legs were more dangerous than his arm for most of his career.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Recruiting service labels don't necessarily mean much when it comes to QBs.

247 listed Sam Darnold as a DT QB. Rivals listed Dobbs as a Pro-style QB.
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That would be because dobbs 40 time was like a 4.92 out of high school. He was very slow when he got here, just elusive. By the time he left, he would have been considered a dual threat qb.
 
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reVOLution33 said:
That would be because dobbs 40 time was like a 4.92 out of high school. He was very slow when he got here, just elusive. By the time he left, he would have been considered a dual threat qb.
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Arguable, but if true it just proves my point.

Recruiting services labels on QBs don’t always mean much because they can’t predict how a kid will develop.
 
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vol2002 said:
Well, Dobbs did make the pros, so....
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He also became the most prolific rushing QB in our school history (and the SEC to boot).

DT QBs make it to the NFL every year. Very few go on to run pro offenses that feature them in the run game as much as their college scheme did. That doesn't mean they weren't DT QBs in college.

The size, speed, and talent of NFL defenses means that few QBs are able to bring as much to the run game as they were in CFB.
 
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bignewt said:
Pretty much true for every position on the field.
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Yep! Plenty of recruits listed at one position end up playing somewhere completely different in CFB/NFL.

Part of the reason we shouldn’t worry too much about our coaches offering a “dual threat” QB.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Yeah, but his long term upside was never going to be as a guy who's integral to a team's running game.
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He played more linebacker than qb. He ran the ball a lot. His running as much as his arm put him on the map. Read something about his recruitment. It's been brought up during the draft process as an asset.

He was a dt qb. No question. Still is. Just runs when he needs to. The USC offense just didn't have a ton of designed runs.
 
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k-town_king said:
He played more linebacker than qb. He ran the ball a lot. His running as much as his arm put him on the map. Read something about his recruitment. It's been brought up during the draft process as an asset.

He was a dt qb. No question. Still is. Just runs when he needs to. The USC offense just didn't have a ton of designed runs.
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None of this is wrong at all.



And it all goes along with the point I’ve been trying to make and so many here seem adverse to acknowledging: just because a recruiting service labels a QB as a DT or a Pocket Passer doesn’t mean they can’t fit in a different type of scheme.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
None of this is wrong at all.



And it all goes along with the point I’ve been trying to make and so many here seem adverse to acknowledging: just because a recruiting service labels a QB as a DT or a Pocket Passer doesn’t mean they can’t fit in a different type of scheme.
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I agree.

If he can throw it he fits. If he can run too it's a plus.
 
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