19 students, 3 adults dead in Texas elementary shooting.

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GOP: lone wolf shoots up school and kill 20 people it's a question ofnindividual responsibility by the shooter.

Also GOP: black gang member shoots rival gange member, this is systemic and has to do with absentee fathers and judges not being hard enough on criminals.
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You missed your calling as a TX cop, you're extremely well qualified.
 
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Wow the media is about to break out in a riot at this TX DPS presser. More really stupid 💩 seems to be brought to light with each additional presser. Like I said earlier I don’t think DPS will pull any punches if the local LEA or school admin messed up.
 
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UPDATE: Synopsis of Press Conference

School Shooting Press Conference: 11:31 patrol car drives by funeral home. 11:33 suspect enters school and begins shooting 100 rounds into room 111 and 112. 11:35 - 3 police officers enter school followed by 3 more and a sheriff (7 officers). Went to door and received wounds from suspect. 11:37 more gunfire; 11:51 - US Border Patrol agents arrive; 12:03 officers continue to arrive in hallway (19 offices in hallway; 12:15 BORTAC officers arrive with shields / 12:21 - suspect fired again from door; 12:21 law enforcement moved down hallway; 12:50 - law enforcement used keys from janitor and killed suspect.

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Additional information - 58 total magazines at the crime scene; 11 inside the school; 3 on the suspects body; 2 in room 112; 6 inside room 111; 5 were on the ground; 1 was in the rifle; 32 magazines outside the school (31 in suspects backpack that he did not take inside classroom/1 just outside school building); 15 magazines at the crash site; 2 magazines at suspect's residence for a total count of 60 magazines. He purchased 1,657 total rounds of ammunition. 315 rounds inside the school; 142 rounds were spent cartridges; 173 were live rounds; 923 were outside the school; 22 spent cartridges outside the school; 900 (outside) were live rounds; 422 rounds at crash site; 22 were spent cartridges; 420 were live rounds; 35 total law enforcement spent cartridges in the school; 8 in hallway; 27 in classroom where suspect was killed;

Suspect posted on Facebook Messenger not on Facebook.

September 2021 - asked sister to help him buy a gun; she refused

February 28, 2022 - Instagram: group chat discussed about him being a school shooter

March 1, 2022 - Instagram chat with 4 people - discussed him buying a gun

March 3, 2022 - Instagram chat with 4 people - "Word on street is you're buying a gun." Ramos: "Just bought something. RN"

March 14, 2022 - Instagram posting "10 more days" User replied "Are you going to shoot up a school or something?" Ramos: "No. Stop asking dumb questions and you'll see."
 
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give_him 6 said:
UPDATE: Synopsis of Press Conference

School Shooting Press Conference: 11:31 patrol car drives by funeral home. 11:33 suspect enters school and begins shooting 100 rounds into room 111 and 112. 11:35 - 3 police officers enter school followed by 3 more and a sheriff (7 officers). Went to door and received wounds from suspect. 11:37 more gunfire; 11:51 - US Border Patrol agents arrive; 12:03 officers continue to arrive in hallway (19 offices in hallway; 12:15 BORTAC officers arrive with shields / 12:21 - suspect fired again from door; 12:21 law enforcement moved down hallway; 12:50 - law enforcement used keys from janitor and killed suspect.

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Additional information - 58 total magazines at the crime scene; 11 inside the school; 3 on the suspects body; 2 in room 112; 6 inside room 111; 5 were on the ground; 1 was in the rifle; 32 magazines outside the school (31 in suspects backpack that he did not take inside classroom/1 just outside school building); 15 magazines at the crash site; 2 magazines at suspect's residence for a total count of 60 magazines. He purchased 1,657 total rounds of ammunition. 315 rounds inside the school; 142 rounds were spent cartridges; 173 were live rounds; 923 were outside the school; 22 spent cartridges outside the school; 900 (outside) were live rounds; 422 rounds at crash site; 22 were spent cartridges; 420 were live rounds; 35 total law enforcement spent cartridges in the school; 8 in hallway; 27 in classroom where suspect was killed;

Suspect posted on Facebook Messenger not on Facebook.

September 2021 - asked sister to help him buy a gun; she refused

February 28, 2022 - Instagram: group chat discussed about him being a school shooter

March 1, 2022 - Instagram chat with 4 people - discussed him buying a gun

March 3, 2022 - Instagram chat with 4 people - "Word on street is you're buying a gun." Ramos: "Just bought something. RN"

March 14, 2022 - Instagram posting "10 more days" User replied "Are you going to shoot up a school or something?" Ramos: "No. Stop asking dumb questions and you'll see."
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The number of red flags in that chain is unbelievable. Holy ****.

Speaking from the experience of working at a school with one death during the day (cardiac arrest in gym), the vultures started circling the principal like a hawk and conversations came down to decisions made in seconds. The scrutiny the police are about to be under from the surviving family members is going to make what my principal went through look like a motivational speaker pep talk in comparison.
 
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If they could have done a better job, okay, that may be the case.


It's an irrelevant distractionary technique by you to the gun issue.
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There isn't a gun issue. You keep ignoring the fact that not to long ago guns were easier to obtain and we didn't have these problems. That simple fact by-itself debunks you're whole "it's a gun problem" argument.
 
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lawgator1 said:
GOP: lone wolf shoots up school and kill 20 people it's a question ofnindividual responsibility by the shooter.

Also GOP: black gang member shoots rival gange member, this is systemic and has to do with absentee fathers and judges not being hard enough on criminals.
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Very different motivations/situations by a shooter but

Also GOP in both cases: shooter bears individual responsibility, not a gun.
 
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Incidentally, re the debate over the former assault weapons ban, even if those of you decrying it were correct, all it means is that the version we need to adopt now needs to be much stricter than the old one.
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How about you enforce the laws we already have you before we give you some new ones? Amazing how almost every one of these shooters already has been flagged as a threat or even previously arrested but somehow we really supposed to trust the government who did NOTHING about it to get it right with NEW laws?
 
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What, did you all get an email from central command, "hey let's blame the cops! Distract from the guns!!"
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If the cops are culpable, why not blame them? Darn it but facts are so inconvenient when you are a liberal. That’s why you all try so hard to flood the news and social media with emotional tantrums in the first 24 hours after a shooting. You know it’s only a matter of time before everyone finds out how much the government screwed up with the laws already on the books
 
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There isn't a gun issue. You keep ignoring the fact that not to long ago guns were easier to obtain and we didn't have these problems. That simple fact by-itself debunks you're whole "it's a gun problem" argument.
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The number of AR-15 style rifles manufactured exploded after the ban. I suspect they got popular among the gun lovers crowd. The demand likely made them more accessible to the crazies.

When I think common sense gun laws, I think keeping high powered, high capacity, high fire rate, accurate rifles out of the hands of people capable of killing kids is sensible. You can tell from those Instagram messages, the majority of people who knew that kid had suspicions that he was capable of a mass killing. Common sense says to do everything possible to keep a gun out of his hand.

The gun is inanimate. It can't be the cause. But damn, it can't hurt to use a little common sense and say no, we can't sell you that gun. Or if he takes it from mom, maybe mom, you can't have that gun.
 
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If the cops are culpable, why not blame them? Darn it but facts are so inconvenient when you are a liberal. That’s why you all try so hard to flood the news and social media with emotional tantrums in the first 24 hours after a shooting. You know it’s only a matter of time before everyone finds out how much the government screwed up with the laws already on the books
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By blaming cops they may help people realize that ultimately your safety is your own responsibility. Of course, call the police. But what happens in those minutes it takes them to arrive?

When every second is important, the police are still several minutes away.
 
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The number of AR-15 style rifles manufactured exploded after the ban. I suspect they got popular among the gun lovers crowd. The demand likely made them more accessible to the crazies.

When I think common sense gun laws, I think keeping high powered, high capacity, high fire rate, accurate rifles out of the hands of people capable of killing kids is sensible. You can tell from those Instagram messages, the majority of people who knew that kid had suspicions that he was capable of a mass killing. Common sense says to do everything possible to keep a gun out of his hand.

The gun is inanimate. It can't be the cause. But damn, it can't hurt to use a little common sense and say no, we can't sell you that gun. Or if he takes it from mom, maybe mom, you can't have that gun.
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They are seldom used in murders mass or otherwise.
 
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Presser: Shooter went into unlocked door left propped open by teacher. Spokesman admitted it was the wrong decision not to breach the classroom door. Kids were calling 911 and the local police chief was outside the building and made the decision to not to breach the classroom door.

Police Chief made the decision it wasn’t an active shooter situation despite kids calling 911 and they could hear that 9 were still alive. It appears that the information was not relayed to police on the scene.
 
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lawgator1 said:
GOP: lone wolf shoots up school and kill 20 people it's a question ofnindividual responsibility by the shooter.

Also GOP: black gang member shoots rival gange member, this is systemic and has to do with absentee fathers and judges not being hard enough on criminals.
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Priveledged, white, do gooders who live in safe neighborhoods: we have a gun problem. We need to restrict guns and make them harder to get.

Poor, black people living close to gang activity: Yall trying to get us killed???? How are we supposed to protect our families?
 
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