19 students, 3 adults dead in Texas elementary shooting.

[Wireless1]

Just one step, though.

I'd me more afraid of you beating me with your high tech prosthesis than you kicking me with your foot

 

[hog88]

That's just ridiculous.

100% truth

 

[davethevol]

All these coincidences around these things are so weird. Can't really blame people for believing the "conspiracy theories".

There was a book written in the 80’s by a guy who claimed he was a former military intelligence officer. He made the claim that the CIA wanted disarm Americans, and how they would do that is through mass school shootings. So he made this claim way before anything like Columbine took place. I don’t think it’s a conspiracy theory anymore.

 

[Wireless1]

When did you get a talkshow @NorthDallas40 ?

Taking Switzerland's lead.

 

[05_never_again]

Nothing happens in a vacuum. The problem of spree shootings can't be analyzed by just isolating one factor by itself. This is a toxic brew of many factors working in conjunction with each other over the course of the last 230 years. Prevalence and ease of access are a small part of it, but it would do no good to isolate those variables for restriction, while holding everything else constant.

Outside of fortifying schools as much as possible, I'm not sure what can be done at this point. Gun violence is too ingrained in American culture.

I agree that something has likely changed in the last 50 years, particularly the last 20 or 30. However, it isn't the number of guns relative to population size or ease of access. If anything, guns are more difficult to get today than 50 years ago. There is some other variable that has changed in the relatively recent past that has made mass shootings occur with more regularity.

 

[utvolpj]

Definitely a door problem and too little prayer.

Is that a lot?

 

[hog88]

Should be able to buy whatever you can afford and have your eyes on! Why mini nuke if you’ve got the coin the shell out for a hydrogen bomb!

When chief idiot-a-lot brings up the mini-nuke scenario in every gun related thread he never asks himself why terrorist organizations don't have them. It's not because their banned from possessing them, they're ****ing terrorists they don't care about the law. It's because they can't afford them or the components to make them.

 

[AshG]

I'd me more afraid of you beating me with your high tech prosthesis than you kicking me with your foot

I've smacked myself in the face with it once by accident; that light tap hurt like hell. Compressed carbon fiber and titanium can leave a mark.

 

[Wireless1]

I'm also curious why the publicity around the shooter has not been investigated as a factor in these events. The number of time I've seen a reference back to Columbine as related to the shooter seems significant. If we have our government monitoring for ISIS and child porn sympathizers, should they add a category for these events?

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Switching gears here a little.

In your personal opinion - Should it be easier to vote in America than it is to purchase a firearm in America?

Depends on who you’re voting for.

 

[05_never_again]

I might be the only "pro-gun" person in the thread to admit this: If our culture did not have such an affinity for firearms, the United States would not have as much gun violence. I think we'd have the same level (or maybe even more) crime overall, but less gun violence. That's just common sense.

However, that does not mean that it is the fault of our affinity for firearms for creating the gun violence problem. The United States has had a strong affinity for firearms, far in excess of other Western industrialized nations, since its founding. Regular mass shootings and school shootings, however, have not occurred since the country's founding. Isolate the variable(s) that appear to be new, because "there are 120 guns for every 100 citizens!!!" or "America loves guns!!!" are not new developments. However, regular mass shootings are relatively new developments.

 

[VolStrom]

I agree that something has likely changed in the last 50 years, particularly the last 20 or 30. However, it isn't the number of guns relative to population size or ease of access. If anything, guns are more difficult to get today than 50 years ago. There is some other variable that has changed in the relatively recent past that has made mass shootings occur with more regularity.

This was a slow moving car wreck. No more mental health facility incarceration, life like video games with first person killer scenes, little to no father interaction anymore, people like EL's nasty comment yesterday about the husband of one of the teachers that was killed and died of a heart attack. The country is sick.

 

[05_never_again]

This was a slow moving car wreck. No more mental health facility incarceration, life like video games with first person killer scenes, little to no father interaction anymore, people like EL's nasty comment yesterday about the husband of one of the teachers that was killed and died of a heart attack. The country is sick.

Minus the video games, I agree with you. I think it is easier than ever before for people to get into dark places where they feel isolated and have nowhere to turn. There have always been people like that on the fringes of society, but I think greater numbers of them cluster now on the end of the bell curve.

 

[Vol423]

UPDATE: Synopsis of Press Conference

School Shooting Press Conference: 11:31 patrol car drives by funeral home. 11:33 suspect enters school and begins shooting 100 rounds into room 111 and 112. 11:35 - 3 police officers enter school followed by 3 more and a sheriff (7 officers). Went to door and received wounds from suspect. 11:37 more gunfire; 11:51 - US Border Patrol agents arrive; 12:03 officers continue to arrive in hallway (19 offices in hallway; 12:15 BORTAC officers arrive with shields / 12:21 - suspect fired again from door; 12:21 law enforcement moved down hallway; 12:50 - law enforcement used keys from janitor and killed suspect.

UPDATE
Additional information - 58 total magazines at the crime scene; 11 inside the school; 3 on the suspects body; 2 in room 112; 6 inside room 111; 5 were on the ground; 1 was in the rifle; 32 magazines outside the school (31 in suspects backpack that he did not take inside classroom/1 just outside school building); 15 magazines at the crash site; 2 magazines at suspect's residence for a total count of 60 magazines. He purchased 1,657 total rounds of ammunition. 315 rounds inside the school; 142 rounds were spent cartridges; 173 were live rounds; 923 were outside the school; 22 spent cartridges outside the school; 900 (outside) were live rounds; 422 rounds at crash site; 22 were spent cartridges; 420 were live rounds; 35 total law enforcement spent cartridges in the school; 8 in hallway; 27 in classroom where suspect was killed;

Suspect posted on Facebook Messenger not on Facebook.

September 2021 - asked sister to help him buy a gun; she refused

February 28, 2022 - Instagram: group chat discussed about him being a school shooter

March 1, 2022 - Instagram chat with 4 people - discussed him buying a gun

March 3, 2022 - Instagram chat with 4 people - "Word on street is you're buying a gun." Ramos: "Just bought something. RN"

March 14, 2022 - Instagram posting "10 more days" User replied "Are you going to shoot up a school or something?" Ramos: "No. Stop asking dumb questions and you'll see."

Facebook and Instagram are doing bang-up jobs.

 

[85SugarVol]

Absolutely

Ok.

Why?

 

[Orangeslice13]

This is some next level incompetence on the part of Uvalde’s police department.

It’s profound how badly the local police Fed this up.
Isn’t that right @lawgator1

 

[Orangeslice13]

Is that a lot?

No

 

[McDad]

With the words "***** ** * School" how was this not flagged by Instagram (I omitted the words so I'm not flagged) and this not investigated?

I wondered the same but wasn't smart enough to self censor...so I am on a watch list, I guess.

 

[VolStrom]

I don't know if it's true or not, but I found it amazing that a woman jumped the fence and went into the school and took her two kids out on her own while the police were sitting on their thumbs.

 

[luthervol]

Ok.

Why?

Because a single misused gun is far more destructive than a single misused vote.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I don't know if it's true or not, but I found it amazing that a woman jumped the fence and went into the school and took her two kids out on her own while the police were sitting on their thumbs.

After being arrested and let go.
Fing amazing

 

[VolStrom]

I wondered the same but wasn't smart enough to self censor...so I am on a watch list, I guess.

Been good knowing you, say hi to the January 6th insurrectionists.

 

[Orangeslice13]

 

[McDad]

I don't know if it's true or not, but I found it amazing that a woman jumped the fence and went into the school and took her two kids out on her own while the police were sitting on their thumbs.

Tx should make her the SRO of the school.

 

[Gandalf]

Tx should make her the SRO of the school.

Hire this one as well
Woman with pistol killed man who shot at crowd of people in Charleston