19 students, 3 adults dead in Texas elementary shooting.

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allvol123 said:
He entered one classroom, barricaded it and never left.

Short of having an armed teacher, just almost impossible to stop.
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Didn't he engage with officers right before entering the school? What is a teacher armed with a pistol going to do to an armored gunman that the cops could not?
 
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AshG said:
On the subject of school security and preventive measures:

I visit multiple schools, public and private, in the course of being a dad and supervising student teachers. Every school system we've been at, from Jefferson County (where I taught for 14 years) to the most rural systems in Western Maryland have had security systems in place that require you to identify by voice and image to be buzzed in, an entrance that goes into the office after classes start and you have to be buzzed to the other side, or both. Most had SROs (Petal, MS has its own hired officers with cars and uniforms). One township in Ottawa Co, MI requires people to fingerprint check in at a kiosk in the office.

Video released that was supposedly taken next door allegedly shows the shooter just opening the door and walking right into the front of the building.

I hope states can find the money to provide schools without these security systems an opportunity to install modern security measures. Done right, it's not that intrusive unless you're being anxious and trying to bypass it.
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Where I went to school, the front entrance had two sets of doors that we had to walk through, both sets were open from 630-720 in the morning then when school started they were both locked. The second set was added the summer after my freshman year. When those doors locked they wouldn't be re opened until we got out at 220. If you were late you had to go through this side entrance at the office, there was a speaker and you had to tell them who you were and why you were there, then they would buzz you in and you went into this little room with a door they would have to buzz you through(there was a camera so they could see who was actually coming) then you would finally get in. They also replaced all the exterior doors with these big heavy doors with no windows that stayed locked at all times. We also had a full time SRO on site. It's sad to say school has to be protected like a prison, but it does.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Didn't he engage with officers right before entering the school? What is a teacher armed with a pistol going to do to an armored gunman that the cops could not?
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Idk. How close were they to him? 10 yards or 50 yards? I’m not even advocating for an armed teacher.
 
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utvolpj said:
They should be closed down to a single point of entry. There's no reason for an elem school to be wide open to the public. What purpose does that serve?
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It isn’t wide open but there are doors for fire exit that are necessary. School covers too much area for 1 entry/exit. Not logical.
 
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Gandalf said:
Yeah, kinda interesting. So loser EMO hasn't been seen around for a couple of months, likely causing him to not graduate as well - and yet comes back with enough money to buy not just one but TWO rolls royce of assault rifles. He also has a truck and body armor and an iphone.

Also, he crashed his truck in front of the school supposedly after being chased. Why arent the cops on top of him before he runs in the school or just after?

Some things are not adding up here.
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The Sandy Hook shooter never added up either. His destruction of his Xbox is crucial. He was covering up his online interactions/contacts. Who was he talking to online and what were they talking about? It’s known that both intelligence agencies and terrorist groups use online gaming to communicate. He was protecting someone.
 
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AshG said:
On the subject of school security and preventive measures:

I visit multiple schools, public and private, in the course of being a dad and supervising student teachers. Every school system we've been at, from Jefferson County (where I taught for 14 years) to the most rural systems in Western Maryland have had security systems in place that require you to identify by voice and image to be buzzed in, an entrance that goes into the office after classes start and you have to be buzzed to the other side, or both. Most had SROs (Petal, MS has its own hired officers with cars and uniforms). One township in Ottawa Co, MI requires people to fingerprint check in at a kiosk in the office.

Video released that was supposedly taken next door allegedly shows the shooter just opening the door and walking right into the front of the building.

I hope states can find the money to provide schools without these security systems an opportunity to install modern security measures. Done right, it's not that intrusive unless you're being anxious and trying to bypass it.
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My kids daycare locks a glass door and that's about it. The kids play in a fenced in area outside. Not like a big security door would do much. No SRO. I've thought a lot about it since yesterday. I would give them a lot of money to bolster security. But there's not that much to be done practically. Just have to come to grips that the odds of this happening are extremely low, and I don't want my kids to feel like they are in a prison. And they can barely afford teachers, much less security.

I think the solution is to address the mental health issue head-on with lots of resources and limit access to weapons for those that need it. These are mostly young males, who have red flags.
 
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utvolpj said:
Exactly. There's a camera where you present your id before you even step inside. The thought of a wide open building full of small children is kinda scary
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I’ve walked thru this system many times at the local high school. One person gets buzzed in and I tag along inside. Or the UPS man exits and I grab the door before it closes. You expecting more out of something than you’re ever going to get.
 
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allvol123 said:
I’ve walked thru this system many times at the local high school. One person gets buzzed in and I tag along inside. Or the UPS man exits and I grab the door before it closes. You expecting more out of something than you’re ever going to get.
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Better than doing nothing. The UPS man going to let in a guy carrying 2 Ar's?
 
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allvol123 said:
I’ve walked thru this system many times at the local high school. One person gets buzzed in and I tag along inside. Or the UPS man exits and I grab the door before it closes. You expecting more out of something than you’re ever going to get.
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Yep. I’ve had people walk in right behind me as I’ve been buzzed in. Should I say “wait there” and close the door on them?
 
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allvol123 said:
That school is too big, they aren’t just exit doors for fire. My elementary school covers too much space for 1 entry door.
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One entry door for visitors. The rest can be swiped thru. This is how a large business or warehouse operates so we should at least try when it comes to little kids rather than making so many excuses
 
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Gunmen know schools are vulnerable or they wouldn't target them but I firmly believe if you have multiple, anonymous armed individuals in a building it would deter some of them after a handful of them get shot before they can carry out their plans. It wouldn't stop all of them but it would make several of them second guess their decisions.
 
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utvolpj said:
One entry door for visitors. The rest can be swiped thru. This is how a large business or warehouse operates so we should at least try when it comes to little kids rather than making so many excuses
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I can't speak for other schools but the school I work at has one entry door for visitors. We have multiple other doors but they are locked as well as our classroom doors
 
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allvol123 said:
It isn’t wide open but there are doors for fire exit that are necessary. School covers too much area for 1 entry/exit. Not logical.
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I think many schools have doors that can be opened from the inside and not from the outside with a main entrance for visitors. To get past the the main office you have to be buzzed to get through.
 
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