19 students, 3 adults dead in Texas elementary shooting.

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evillawyer said:
Lemme guess, the "adults" will agree that the perfect balance of more prayer and arming 65 year old teachers will work this time.
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No. Getting fathers back into homes. Ending the war on poverty, getting kids who are over medicated off their medications that do more harm than good. Actually teaching kids how to deal with issues instead of this cancel culture BS where of someone doesn't like something they throw tempur tantrums like 2 year Olds until it's gone. Fixing this broke ass ideology of the left is how we fix this.
 
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volinbham said:
Every time we have to endure these lectures it's always the same - vague references to "common sense" gun laws which invariably wouldn't have stopped the person from obtaining guns or general statements that "if we didn't have guns then...".

I'm open to ideas but haven't seen any that would make a difference.
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The one I hear most frequently, universal background checks, would not have done a thing to stop this shooting or a whole host of others. In fact I don't recall a single mass shooter who obtained their weapons via a private transaction that wasn't subject to a background check. It gets brought up frequently as a solution to the problem, even though invariably the shooter passed a background check when purchasing the guns or used weapons that belonged to someone else who passed the background check (like the Sandy Hook shooter).

I imagine gun control advocates know this, and prefer to use that as a talking point instead of what they actually think could solve the problem, which is gun confiscation on a massive scale.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
There is no way to reach a middle ground. Why? Simple. There are way too many lawful gun owners who never commit a single act of violence with their weapons. But liberals want to make it harder for even those people to buy a gun. They want to blame the gun as opposed to gun owner/user.
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...and liberals refuse to implement common sense defensive measures that would help prevent these tragedies. They seem far more interested in eliminating the 2nd Amendment than they are in protecting kids in schools. They use these events as opportunities to try to push for infringements of our Constitutional rights.
 
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05_never_again said:
The one I hear most frequently, universal background checks, would not have done a thing to stop this shooting or a whole host of others. In fact I don't recall a single mass shooter who obtained their weapons via a private transaction that wasn't subject to a background check. It gets brought up frequently as a solution to the problem, even though invariably the shooter passed a background check when purchasing the guns or used weapons that belonged to someone else who passed the background check (like the Sandy Hook shooter).

I imagine gun control advocates know this, and prefer to use that as a talking point instead of what they actually think could solve the problem, which is gun confiscation on a massive scale.
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UBCs are just their gateway into a federal registry.
 
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AM64 said:
I'm older than most people here, and I remember a time when people were expected to act within norms - when we were expected to conform. Individualism certainly wasn't prohibited, but reasonable behavior was expected. As several people have mentioned with respect to other countries, many have a more homogeneous population; diversity rather than assimilation seems to be the newer tend here - hard to rule that out as a factor. European countries that have had the more recent influx of migrants living in isolated enclaves are seeing increasing acts of violence.
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I remember seeing shotguns in gun racks in the student parking lot in high school at the start of the school year so we could get some wing shooting in after school. I graduated in 1982 not too long ago.

If an administrator or teacher asked you about your gun it was likely to ask what model/gauge it was and did you like it.

Now guns outside of your vehicles or in the buildings or common areas? Not tolerated. And I can’t ever think of an instance where it mattered.

It’s almost like even at 15-18 years old we knew what was expected of us and how to act with firearms.
 
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05_never_again said:
The one I hear most frequently, universal background checks, would not have done a thing to stop this shooting or a whole host of others. In fact I don't recall a single mass shooter who obtained their weapons via a private transaction that wasn't subject to a background check. It gets brought up frequently as a solution to the problem, even though invariably the shooter passed a background check when purchasing the guns or used weapons that belonged to someone else who passed the background check (like the Sandy Hook shooter).

I imagine gun control advocates know this, and prefer to use that as a talking point instead of what they actually think could solve the problem, which is gun confiscation on a massive scale.
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That would go well.👀
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I remember seeing shotguns in gun racks in the student parking lot in high school at the start of the school year so we could get some wing shooting in after school. I graduated in 1982 not too long ago.

If an administrator or teacher asked you about your gun it was likely to ask what model/gauge it was and did you like it.

Now guns outside of your vehicles or in the buildings or common areas? Not tolerated. And I can’t ever think of an instance where it mattered.

It’s almost like even at 15-18 years old we knew what was expected of us and how to act with firearms.
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And now 15-18 year Olds don't eve know what bathroom to use.
 
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05_never_again said:
The one I hear most frequently, universal background checks, would not have done a thing to stop this shooting or a whole host of others. In fact I don't recall a single mass shooter who obtained their weapons via a private transaction that wasn't subject to a background check. It gets brought up frequently as a solution to the problem, even though invariably the shooter passed a background check when purchasing the guns or used weapons that belonged to someone else who passed the background check (like the Sandy Hook shooter).

I imagine gun control advocates know this, and prefer to use that as a talking point instead of what they actually think could solve the problem, which is gun confiscation on a massive scale.
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Can you imagine the response when a gun dealer refuses to sell a firearm to what “appears” to be an unstable Hispanic or black person?
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
No. Getting fathers back into homes. Ending the war on poverty, getting kids who are over medicated off their medications that do more harm than good. Actually teaching kids how to deal with issues instead of this cancel culture BS where of someone doesn't like something they throw tempur tantrums like 2 year Olds until it's gone. Fixing this broke ass ideology of the left is how we fix this.
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I might add limiting screen time and social media, encouraging and expanding the availability of team/group activities like sports, outdoor recreation, music, arts, etc, NOT forcibly isolating children for extended periods (e.g. for a respiratory virus), NOT cramming exaggerated fear messaging down their throats, NOT celebrating perversions or gender dysphoria, and maybe spending some time in Church or small group Bible studies.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I remember seeing shotguns in gun racks in the student parking lot in high school at the start of the school year so we could get some wing shooting in after school. I graduated in 1982 not too long ago.

If an administrator or teacher asked you about your gun it was likely to ask what model/gauge it was and did you like it.

Now guns outside of your vehicles or in the buildings or common areas? Not tolerated. And I can’t ever think of an instance where it mattered.

It’s almost like even at 15-18 years old we knew what was expected of us and how to act with firearms.
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I brought one of my granddad's rifles to school to refinish the stock in shop class and the teacher was re-blueing the metal. It was raining when I got it out of the truck so I walked through the school instead of around and was stopped by the principle. He asked what I was doing and if I had a hall pass.
 
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hog88 said:
I brought one of my granddad's rifles to school to refinish the stock in shop class and the teacher was re-blueing the metal. It was raining when I got it out of the truck so I walked through the school instead of around and was stopped by the principle. He asked what I was doing and if I had a hall pass.
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That’s probably flying a bit closer to the sun than we could have gotten away with but I’d guess once you explained what happened and the shop teacher got involved all we would have gotten was a “don’t do it again” ass chewing and moving on. And if the principle liked the gun he might ask to shoot it.
 
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volinbham said:
Every time we have to endure these lectures it's always the same - vague references to "common sense" gun laws which invariably wouldn't have stopped the person from obtaining guns or general statements that "if we didn't have guns then...".

I'm open to ideas but haven't seen any that would make a difference.
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I suggest red flag laws in combination with additional resources for mental health observations and counseling. Engaging parents and teachers to stress that mental health is a thing, even for your angels, and destigmatizing it for both parents and students. Start being tougher on ourselves in how much are we talking at home, is all this screen time really helping anybody? Including myself who spends way too much time on my phone in front of my young kids.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
That’s probably flying a bit closer to the sun than we could have gotten away with but I’d guess once you explained what happened and the shop teacher got involved all we would have gotten was a “don’t do it again” ass chewing and moving on. And if the principle liked the gun he might ask to shoot it.
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Small school, small community. My grandmother was our principles teacher through most of his elementary school.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I remember seeing shotguns in gun racks in the student parking lot in high school at the start of the school year so we could get some wing shooting in after school. I graduated in 1982 not too long ago.

If an administrator or teacher asked you about your gun it was likely to ask what model/gauge it was and did you like it.

Now guns outside of your vehicles or in the buildings or common areas? Not tolerated. And I can’t ever think of an instance where it mattered.

It’s almost like even at 15-18 years old we knew what was expected of us and how to act with firearms.
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I definitely remember those days. Seems amazing how we had freedoms like that - because we didn't abuse them. Of course, in those days you got punished at school, too ... and if you got punished at school, it happened again when you got home. It also seems like the school curriculum made a lot more sense than it does now, too; that thing of sticking more to the traditional subjects might just have had something to do with that.
 
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