2006 Football

[hatvol96]

don't worry hat...i'll be ok. thanks for the concern though...you do have a soft side don't you.... :birgits_giggle:

Just looking out for you guys.

 

[jakez4ut]

If Solich was a really good coach as you are suggesting he should be able to turn around wherever he goes (Ohio). That remains to be seen.

Never said he was a good coach, he may not have been, and the talent on hand when he got there may be what got him to those 10+ win seasons.....

My only point was after all those 10+ win seasons, he gets fired, and the replacement goes 5-6, that had to upset some husker loyals, and make them wonder if they really made the right decision. and i can see where some of those fans would say an 8-4 follow up year is not validation of the change. that's all. It may in fact prove to be a good decision in the long run, but that would depend on your defintion of long run.

 

[volfan2024]

I'm pretty confident that Spurrier would have left Duke for UT.

I don't know if we would have hired him or not,We were pretty upset with him beating us when he was at Duke :biggrin2:
He either beat us or tied us, whatever, I was there but I try to forget it!All I know was my buddy was collecting cups to take home but he wound up smashing them with his foot after the game and it was a long ride home back to Nashville. :biggrin2:

 

[OWB]

I think Tennessee's record will be 10-2 or 9-3 this year in the regular season.

 

[hatvol96]

I don't know if we would have hired him or not,We were pretty upset with him beating us when he was at Duke :biggrin2:
He either beat us or tied us, whatever, I was there but I try to forget it!All I know was my buddy was collecting cups to take home but he wound up smashing them with his foot after the game and it was a long ride home back to Nashville. :biggrin2:

They beat us in '88. We got some revenge in '89, then Spurrier headed to Gainesville.

 

[WA_Vol]

My only point was after all those 10+ win seasons, he gets fired, and the replacement goes 5-6, that had to upset some husker loyals, and make them wonder if they really made the right decision. and i can see where some of those fans would say an 8-4 follow up year is not validation of the change. that's all. It may in fact prove to be a good decision in the long run, but that would depend on your defintion of long run.

I agree it didn't seem to be a good hire. The replacement fared worse. But thats one case. But I can name you 5 coaches for every 1 you name where it was a vast improvement: Saban, Richt, Tubberville, etc all came in and outperformed the previous coach. What you are citing doesn't happen often, it most often is the other way.

Coaching is a tough profession. Coaches get burned out. Last night Donavon was talking about a recruiting trip in a week after winning the N.C. I just dont know if Fulmer has the energy, motivation, desire to be as effective as he was in the late 90's. Coaching is an innovative profession. Fulmer wants to win games by playing hard-nose, no frills football. Hard to do, when the competition is as athletic as you.

 

[GAVol]

I agree it didn't seem to be a good hire. The replacement fared worse. But thats one case. But I can name you 5 coaches for every 1 you name where it was a vast improvement: Saban, Richt, Tubberville, etc all came in and outperformed the previous coach. What you are citing doesn't happen often, it most often is the other way.

Saban . . . who followed a litany of bad hires at LSU.
Richt . . . . who followed 2 bad hires at UGA.
Tuberville who followed the Bowden fiasco at Auburn.

I'm not saying those weren't good hires, just that it took multiple tries for each school to land the right guy. Like I said earlier, it's a coin flip most of the time. Heck, if anything, the hiring of Phil Fulmer is a better example of what you are talking about. Whatever you think of him now, there's no disputing that he followed a long tenured legend and inherited a good program and actually improved it.

Back on topic . . . . We're going 9-3 next year.

 

[WA_Vol]

Saban . . . who followed a litany of bad hires at LSU.
Richt . . . . who followed 2 bad hires at UGA.
Tuberville who followed the Bowden fiasco at Auburn.

I'm not saying those weren't good hires, just that it took multiple tries for each school to land the right guy. Like I said earlier, it's a coin flip most of the time. Heck, if anything, the hiring of Phil Fulmer is a better example of what you are talking about. Whatever you think of him now, there's no disputing that he followed a long tenured legend and inherited a good program and actually improved it.

Back on topic . . . . We're going 9-3 next year.

Fulmer has shown himself to be a better coach and recruiter then Majors.

8-5 next year, and Fulmer saves his job for another year.

 

[jakez4ut]

Saban . . . who followed a litany of bad hires at LSU.
Richt . . . . who followed 2 bad hires at UGA.
Tuberville who followed the Bowden fiasco at Auburn.

I'm not saying those weren't good hires, just that it took multiple tries for each school to land the right guy. Like I said earlier, it's a coin flip most of the time. Heck, if anything, the hiring of Phil Fulmer is a better example of what you are talking about. Whatever you think of him now, there's no disputing that he followed a long tenured legend and inherited a good program and actually improved it.

Back on topic . . . . We're going 9-3 next year.

what he said....Okla, i hear you and you are right...all those changes you've mentioned, and i've agreed with, have all been better hires, but as pointed out above, which was my point all along, look what these schools had to endure before they got to the point they are now....that's how it works out more times than not. rarely does the 1st coach hired after a vacancy is opened, pan out to be as good, much less better than the previous coach.

 

[jakez4ut]

Fulmer has shown himself to be a better coach and recruiter then Majors.

8-5 next year, and Fulmer saves his job for another year.

i agree. is the 8th win a bowl win, or is the 5th loss a bowl loss?

the only way Fulmer gets ousted is .500 or below in regular season....

 

[smokedog#3]

a 8-5 season should not save fulmer. if he can't do better than that we need a change. :devilsmoke:

 

[jakez4ut]

a 8-5 season should not save fulmer. if he can't do better than that we need a change. :devilsmoke:

dont' think it's a matter of "saving" him, rather, a matter of can they afford to get rid of him at this point in time, especially if he does have a better record than last year....

he won't need saving unless next season is a debacle. if that turns out to be the case, then 07 may just be the year he needs "saving".

 

[GAVol]

I agree . . . . I don't think it will come to that, but IMO it would be at least '07 before anything happened.

 

[smokedog#3]

i agree, pay raises and extensions have left hamilton in a bind. a bad year next year and he is going to really start feeling the pressure. :devilsmoke:

 

[jakez4ut]

i agree, pay raises and extensions have left hamilton in a bind. a bad year next year and he is going to really start feeling the pressure. :devilsmoke:

yeah, but on the same token, just talking nickels and dimes here, all the money that's being dumped in to facilitiy upgrades, stadium renovations etc.....if the product going in to those things isn't worth a damn, and we start losing TV revenue, bowl revenue etc....this decision will be an accounting one, not an x's and o's one.

 

[GAVol]

i agree, pay raises and extensions have left hamilton in a bind. a bad year next year and he is going to really start feeling the pressure. :devilsmoke:

I could have done without the :devilsmoke:

 

[jakez4ut]

I could have done without the :devilsmoke:

how bout this...in regards to pressure? :crap:

 

[smokedog#3]

that is true, that is the reason i think the Cal game is so important. if we lose that game i think alot of the people giving fulmer a chance will turn on him. i have a bad feeling next season is going to get ugly.

 

[GAVol]

how bout this...in regards to pressure? :crap:

Much better

My pet peeve in the Fulmer argument are the people that even slightly hint that they WANT Fulmer to fail. To me that is worthless.

 

[jakez4ut]

that is true, that is the reason i think the Cal game is so important. if we lose that game i think alot of the people giving fulmer a chance will turn on him. i have a bad feeling next season is going to get ugly.

yep. that game is the tone setter. but i'll say this about that game. We can show mounds of improvement on offesne and still lose that game.

It's kind of like how people sometimes talk about the Miami game in 04. Ugly win. did nothing to over impress anyone, but pulled it out. ugly yes, W none the less.

We could do the exact opposite in that Cal game. Lose, but still look good in doing so.....? i'm not one for moral victories, but we all know what a good football team looks like on the feild. And we'll know it if we see it in that game, win or lose.

Like i've said before, there's a difference in losing a game, and just flat out getting beat by a better team. Usually i can handle getting beat. it's when we "LOSE" the game ourselves that infuriate me. And that's what i really want to see. If we can stop being nice to all of our opponents, we'll win more than we lose.

Last year, it was like Christmas playing us for our opponents. We turned the ball over, we didn't play special teams, we had too many penalties etc.....

 

[GAVol]

I hear you Jake. The big thing is going to be just to show signs of life on offense in the first half against Cal. After the way we went out with a whimper last year, more than anything else we need a shot of confidence.

 

[smokedog#3]

i would love to see fulmer prove me wrong. a 10-2 season winning the sec and i would be the first to say i didn't have a clue what i was talking about. now saying that i bet on alot of football games and tennessee was money not to cover last year. that is the reason i will take Cal if they are given points at the beginning of the year. i would love to see fulmer bring back the old ways and start winning, but the smart odds are against it. i predicted tennessee would be 7-4 last year and everybody called me crazy. i'm saying that i think they will go 7-5 this year and most people say it could happen. hopefully fulmer will prove me wrong, but last year the only positive i got out of the team was the money i won on betting against them.

 

[GAVol]

It's your money, but there's just no way I could do that.

 

[smokedog#3]

it hurts to bet against tennessee, but last year i made a ton off the memphis and vandy games. when fulmer is the favorite he hardly ever covers. when he is the underdog i never bet against tennessee they usually will rise to the challenge. all depends how many points they give.

 

[Slade]

you cant really go by the amount as wins/losses as much as who we beat. Last year's team *should* be able to go at least 7-5 against the schedule we have this year. Air Force is a gimme; Memphis lost Deangelo and enough talent that they will be horrible this year; Alabama playing us at home and losing a few of their key players weakens them enough this year to make them beatable; Arkansas and Kentucky suck and i dont see that changing this year; Without Cutler, Vandy has no bite. I dont know too much about Marshall to say too much about them, but I still think we should be able to take them, even if it is one of those close ones like we did against UAB last year. The key is to beat the teams we "shouldn't" beat such as Florida, Georgia, LSU, etc.