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I read on another Forum that Tenn. had no shot at Matt Barkaley, QB out of Cal. because he is a "Lock" for USC next year. Not so sure about that.
I've enclosed a couple of reports from the LA Times concerning Reggie Bush and USC. The times could be a changin' in Trojan Country.
Read on:
Lake says he believes USC knew of Bush gifts
Would-be sports marketer, who is suing former tailback, says in an interview that he bases his belief on encounters with assistant coach McNair and an overheard phone call. Did he or didn't he?
By David Wharton, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
A would-be San Diego sports marketer said Monday he laments dragging USC into alleged business dealings between him and former Trojans tailback Reggie Bush, a failed venture that has prompted a civil lawsuit and an NCAA investigation.
In a lengthy telephone interview, Lloyd Lake offered no evidence that USC officials were aware of the cash and gifts he allegedly showered on Bush. But when asked if he believed they knew, Lake replied: "I would have to say yeah."
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Lake said he came to this belief after several social encounters with USC assistant Todd McNair and after listening in on a telephone conversation between Coach Pete Carroll and Bush's stepfather.
Lake is suing Bush and was paid to cooperate with the authors of a book, "Tarnished Heisman," due in stores today. He was recently interviewed by NCAA investigators.
The incidents he discussed Monday date to the spring of 2005.
By that time, according to Lake and others involved in the case, Bush's family -- stepfather LaMar Griffin, mother Denise and younger brother Jovan -- was living in a house owned by Lake's business partner, Michael Michaels, but had failed to pay an agreed-upon rent.
Lake said he received panicked phone calls from Bush and Griffin. "They were basically telling me we've got to get some stuff together," he recalled. "Basically telling me we've got to cover it up."
According to Lake, Bush said Carroll and at least one other USC official had pulled the player into an office, saying they had received an anonymous e-mail about agents, free housing and other gifts.
Lake said he was at Griffin's house when Griffin left a telephone message for Carroll. He said the coach called back within 10 minutes and Griffin discreetly put the call on speakerphone.
Carroll "sounded calm like it wasn't a big deal," Lake said. "He asked [Griffin] to put everything in order, to have a lease agreement. He said just have all your ducks in a row and it would be all right."
At no point during the brief conversation did Griffin mention agents or cash, Lake said, and Carroll never said anything to suggest he knew about improper benefits.
Reached after a team meeting on Monday, Carroll declined to comment other than to say "we have cooperated with the NCAA and continue to cooperate."
As for McNair -- who could not be reached -- Lake said he met the Trojans' running backs coach on four or five occasions, including at parties in San Diego and Los Angeles.
McNair has previously said he did not know about any alleged improper benefits.
Asked why he believed McNair did know, Lake abruptly backed off, saying: "I didn't want to do this, trying to take 'SC down. Make sure you let people know that it was Reggie throwing his team under the bus."
Bush has repeatedly said that neither he nor his family did anything wrong. His attorney, David Cornwell, declined to comment.
Lake and Michaels had courted Bush in hopes of signing him as the premier client for their fledgling marketing company, New Era Sports & Entertainment. They have previously stated, through their attorneys, that Griffin was involved in starting the company.
The deal fell apart when Bush chose an established marketing agent, Mike Ornstein.
Times staff writers Gary Klein and Sam Farmer contributed to this report.
david.wharton@latimes.com
One more story for good measure - I'm so happy today
Bush accuser believes USC coaches knew about violations. The man, who is suing the Heisman Trophy winner, said the coaches received an anonymous warning in 2005.
By MARK SAXON
The Orange County Register
The former San Diego sports marketer suing Reggie Bush for nearly $300,000 said Monday he thinks USC coaches knew Bush was taking money in violation of NCAA rules.
The man's testimony, which the NCAA already listened to as part of its investigation, could help determine whether - or how harshly - USC will be penalized for Bush's conduct, which allegedly took place during the 2004 and 2005 seasons.
"They knew Reggie was getting money from somewhere. They had to know," said Lloyd Lake. "Your family doesn't go from one extreme to the other, from barely making $1,400 a month in rent to paying a $4,200 (a month) mortgage, without that money coming from someone or somewhere."
Lake also said USC coaches received an anonymous e-mail in 2005 warning them that Bush was taking money and that Bush's parents then called Lake, "panicking."
USC coach Pete Carroll could not be reached for comment. A school spokesman said he could not comment, because the NCAA investigation is on-going.
Lake said he could not prove that USC coaches knew about the alleged payments.
Lake agreed to the interview Monday in advance of today's release of the book, "Tarnished Heisman," in which the alleged payments over a two-year period are detailed. The authors of the book, Don Yaeger and Jim Henry, acknowledge that Lake was compensated for his cooperation. Lake said he "sold the rights" to his story to the book's publisher, though he declined to say how much he received.
The book contains transcripts of secretly recorded conversations that Lake had separately with Bush and his stepfather, LaMar Griffin. Lake said he began taping the conversations when Griffin said he couldn't prove any of the cash payments.
"I knew a crime was being committed against me," Lake said. "If I didn't have those tapes, I would have been dead in the water. Who would they believe right now?"
Bush has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing. Lake's attorney, Brian Watkins, said Bush will give his deposition, under oath, in February via video conference. The case is being heard in San Diego.
Lake said he has no doubt he will win his case and that he suspects USC will be sanctioned.
"If we didn't do it, who did? If we didn't buy this stuff, who did? They didn't win the lottery," Lake said. "They didn't go from never going to an away game to going to every away game, including Hawaii. From Reggie getting a new car to them living in a new house - it's too much of a change in your lifestyle. They didn't get a raise."
If USC is found to have violated rules, it could be forced to forfeit victories from 2004 and 2005, including a national championship, and face other penalties.
If Bush is found retroactively ineligible, the Heisman committee could take away his 2005 trophy.
Interestingly, Lake, who has known Bush since his sophomore year of high school, said he doesn't want to see that happen.
"I don't want to see him lose it," Lake said. "The only thing I want is for him to admit he was wrong and pay back the money."
Lake said Bush originally offered a $500,000 settlement to him and his former business partner at New Era Sports, Michael Michaels, but that the men turned the offer down. Bush later settled with Michaels out of court and Lake said he tried to settle with him as well.
"We had talks, but it was still way under what I felt was fair," Lake said.
I've enclosed a couple of reports from the LA Times concerning Reggie Bush and USC. The times could be a changin' in Trojan Country.
Read on:
Lake says he believes USC knew of Bush gifts
Would-be sports marketer, who is suing former tailback, says in an interview that he bases his belief on encounters with assistant coach McNair and an overheard phone call. Did he or didn't he?
By David Wharton, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
A would-be San Diego sports marketer said Monday he laments dragging USC into alleged business dealings between him and former Trojans tailback Reggie Bush, a failed venture that has prompted a civil lawsuit and an NCAA investigation.
In a lengthy telephone interview, Lloyd Lake offered no evidence that USC officials were aware of the cash and gifts he allegedly showered on Bush. But when asked if he believed they knew, Lake replied: "I would have to say yeah."
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Lake said he came to this belief after several social encounters with USC assistant Todd McNair and after listening in on a telephone conversation between Coach Pete Carroll and Bush's stepfather.
Lake is suing Bush and was paid to cooperate with the authors of a book, "Tarnished Heisman," due in stores today. He was recently interviewed by NCAA investigators.
The incidents he discussed Monday date to the spring of 2005.
By that time, according to Lake and others involved in the case, Bush's family -- stepfather LaMar Griffin, mother Denise and younger brother Jovan -- was living in a house owned by Lake's business partner, Michael Michaels, but had failed to pay an agreed-upon rent.
Lake said he received panicked phone calls from Bush and Griffin. "They were basically telling me we've got to get some stuff together," he recalled. "Basically telling me we've got to cover it up."
According to Lake, Bush said Carroll and at least one other USC official had pulled the player into an office, saying they had received an anonymous e-mail about agents, free housing and other gifts.
Lake said he was at Griffin's house when Griffin left a telephone message for Carroll. He said the coach called back within 10 minutes and Griffin discreetly put the call on speakerphone.
Carroll "sounded calm like it wasn't a big deal," Lake said. "He asked [Griffin] to put everything in order, to have a lease agreement. He said just have all your ducks in a row and it would be all right."
At no point during the brief conversation did Griffin mention agents or cash, Lake said, and Carroll never said anything to suggest he knew about improper benefits.
Reached after a team meeting on Monday, Carroll declined to comment other than to say "we have cooperated with the NCAA and continue to cooperate."
As for McNair -- who could not be reached -- Lake said he met the Trojans' running backs coach on four or five occasions, including at parties in San Diego and Los Angeles.
McNair has previously said he did not know about any alleged improper benefits.
Asked why he believed McNair did know, Lake abruptly backed off, saying: "I didn't want to do this, trying to take 'SC down. Make sure you let people know that it was Reggie throwing his team under the bus."
Bush has repeatedly said that neither he nor his family did anything wrong. His attorney, David Cornwell, declined to comment.
Lake and Michaels had courted Bush in hopes of signing him as the premier client for their fledgling marketing company, New Era Sports & Entertainment. They have previously stated, through their attorneys, that Griffin was involved in starting the company.
The deal fell apart when Bush chose an established marketing agent, Mike Ornstein.
Times staff writers Gary Klein and Sam Farmer contributed to this report.
david.wharton@latimes.com
One more story for good measure - I'm so happy today
Bush accuser believes USC coaches knew about violations. The man, who is suing the Heisman Trophy winner, said the coaches received an anonymous warning in 2005.
By MARK SAXON
The Orange County Register
The former San Diego sports marketer suing Reggie Bush for nearly $300,000 said Monday he thinks USC coaches knew Bush was taking money in violation of NCAA rules.
The man's testimony, which the NCAA already listened to as part of its investigation, could help determine whether - or how harshly - USC will be penalized for Bush's conduct, which allegedly took place during the 2004 and 2005 seasons.
"They knew Reggie was getting money from somewhere. They had to know," said Lloyd Lake. "Your family doesn't go from one extreme to the other, from barely making $1,400 a month in rent to paying a $4,200 (a month) mortgage, without that money coming from someone or somewhere."
Lake also said USC coaches received an anonymous e-mail in 2005 warning them that Bush was taking money and that Bush's parents then called Lake, "panicking."
USC coach Pete Carroll could not be reached for comment. A school spokesman said he could not comment, because the NCAA investigation is on-going.
Lake said he could not prove that USC coaches knew about the alleged payments.
Lake agreed to the interview Monday in advance of today's release of the book, "Tarnished Heisman," in which the alleged payments over a two-year period are detailed. The authors of the book, Don Yaeger and Jim Henry, acknowledge that Lake was compensated for his cooperation. Lake said he "sold the rights" to his story to the book's publisher, though he declined to say how much he received.
The book contains transcripts of secretly recorded conversations that Lake had separately with Bush and his stepfather, LaMar Griffin. Lake said he began taping the conversations when Griffin said he couldn't prove any of the cash payments.
"I knew a crime was being committed against me," Lake said. "If I didn't have those tapes, I would have been dead in the water. Who would they believe right now?"
Bush has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing. Lake's attorney, Brian Watkins, said Bush will give his deposition, under oath, in February via video conference. The case is being heard in San Diego.
Lake said he has no doubt he will win his case and that he suspects USC will be sanctioned.
"If we didn't do it, who did? If we didn't buy this stuff, who did? They didn't win the lottery," Lake said. "They didn't go from never going to an away game to going to every away game, including Hawaii. From Reggie getting a new car to them living in a new house - it's too much of a change in your lifestyle. They didn't get a raise."
If USC is found to have violated rules, it could be forced to forfeit victories from 2004 and 2005, including a national championship, and face other penalties.
If Bush is found retroactively ineligible, the Heisman committee could take away his 2005 trophy.
Interestingly, Lake, who has known Bush since his sophomore year of high school, said he doesn't want to see that happen.
"I don't want to see him lose it," Lake said. "The only thing I want is for him to admit he was wrong and pay back the money."
Lake said Bush originally offered a $500,000 settlement to him and his former business partner at New Era Sports, Michael Michaels, but that the men turned the offer down. Bush later settled with Michaels out of court and Lake said he tried to settle with him as well.
"We had talks, but it was still way under what I felt was fair," Lake said.
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Happy the alumni: Stick a fork in this creep!Because he's done!He's dead meat!You're finished!You will never coach in America again,you got that?!Why don't you try Bulgaria?!Hear they're looking for wimps like you!Whiners!
Coach Pete Bell: There goes Happy, headed for the cash machine!
This entire thing is exactly like Blue Chips. Butch McRae's mom got a new house with a yard for the kids and a new job. I remember the alumni that was giving away the cash saying something like "There is no paper trail. They will never catch us."
Its going to be sad when the Rose Bowl committee cannot vote USC into their precious bowl because they are on probation or worse.
Coach Pete Bell: There goes Happy, headed for the cash machine!
This entire thing is exactly like Blue Chips. Butch McRae's mom got a new house with a yard for the kids and a new job. I remember the alumni that was giving away the cash saying something like "There is no paper trail. They will never catch us."
Its going to be sad when the Rose Bowl committee cannot vote USC into their precious bowl because they are on probation or worse.
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Dear VolNation-
Sorry to dump all this USC crap on your forum but I was so happy that I feel like sharing it with the whole nation.
We've been hearing stuff from recruits about USC for 4 years now and Pac-10 Comm. Tom Hanson, shows little interest in following up on any of it.
This is my grip:
"Private" institutions like USC, Miami, Notre Dame, etc. have complete control over who enters their campus (News Reporters), what information is released, what info. gets kept and what info. tossed.
Try that at a public institute like Washington or Tennessee and you'd have every newspaper in the state suing under FOIA. s Public School = Public Information.
They say - No worries, we can police ourselves. Yeah Right! They're gonna bring down their own largest money making resource on campus? I don't think so!
Dear USC: This is a good day to die!!!
Sorry to dump all this USC crap on your forum but I was so happy that I feel like sharing it with the whole nation.
We've been hearing stuff from recruits about USC for 4 years now and Pac-10 Comm. Tom Hanson, shows little interest in following up on any of it.
This is my grip:
"Private" institutions like USC, Miami, Notre Dame, etc. have complete control over who enters their campus (News Reporters), what information is released, what info. gets kept and what info. tossed.
Try that at a public institute like Washington or Tennessee and you'd have every newspaper in the state suing under FOIA. s Public School = Public Information.
They say - No worries, we can police ourselves. Yeah Right! They're gonna bring down their own largest money making resource on campus? I don't think so!
Dear USC: This is a good day to die!!!
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Good point - Although he did interview for the Atlanta Falcons job 3 days ago. Contradicting what he said last week - "I will never leave USC to coach in the NFL"
We up here in Washington still have some deep rooted resentments toward USC, stemming from our sanctions in the late 90's. They and UCLA pretty much led the Pac-10 charge to bury Washington.
Not that we didn't deserve some of the punishment we got, but when we found out that part of the expenses for 3 of the Calif. Reporters up in Seattle were being paid by USC - there went the neighborhood.
Anyway- have been trying to find out some info on a High School kid out of Hendersonville, TN H.S. named Darrien Roper. He's on the Husky radar. I guess he's a sleeper recruit, 6'-220lbs FB/LB, real nasty.
Good point - Although he did interview for the Atlanta Falcons job 3 days ago. Contradicting what he said last week - "I will never leave USC to coach in the NFL"
We up here in Washington still have some deep rooted resentments toward USC, stemming from our sanctions in the late 90's. They and UCLA pretty much led the Pac-10 charge to bury Washington.
Not that we didn't deserve some of the punishment we got, but when we found out that part of the expenses for 3 of the Calif. Reporters up in Seattle were being paid by USC - there went the neighborhood.
Anyway- have been trying to find out some info on a High School kid out of Hendersonville, TN H.S. named Darrien Roper. He's on the Husky radar. I guess he's a sleeper recruit, 6'-220lbs FB/LB, real nasty.
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Are there fewer 5* recruits out there. Why does it seen the VOLS are not going for them. I know we got a late start because of all the coaching changes, but we are ranked 55th at this time, which does not mean a lot now , but we sure have a lot of making up to do, I don't think we can get back in the top 20 recruiting this year. What do you guys think? oldtimevol.
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