2013 F Austin Nichols (Memphis Briarcrest)

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bleedingTNorange said:
How? First off no guarantee stokes goes, definitely a better chance of him staying than going.

UT will be primed for a huge 2013 season if stokes returns, add in if UT lands Nichols friend Hubbs, and they have the talent to make a final four level run.

Same cant even be seriously said about Vandy.
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If Stokes is considered a top 10 pick i doubt he stays another year just to play a season with Nichols.

I think Duke has the surrounding talent to make him a better player, if Coach K can get the Plumlee's drafted then i assume Nichols will be in good hands.
 
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johnnybravo said:
I already said I expect Golden to be very good. I think if Stokes stays, then this coming year could be a disappointment. I fully expect if he's good enough to go first round by the end of the year, then he will go.

If Stokes is not here for his Soph/Junior year, then I don't see a final 4 team at all. Could be a bubble team at best depending on what recruiting class comes in.
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Why do you fully expect that, what's been said? All I've heard is his family say the plan for him was 3 years?

Without stokes, no not a final 4 level team probably. And a lot of our chances will depend on the 2013 class, there's no doubting that.
 
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johnnybravo said:
I already said I expect Golden to be very good. I think if Stokes stays, then this coming year could be a disappointment. I fully expect if he's good enough to go first round by the end of the year, then he will go.

If Stokes is not here for his Soph/Junior year, then I don't see a final 4 team at all. Could be a bubble team at best depending on what recruiting class comes in.
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Him and Sullinger are similar players. Sullinger went mid-late first round. That has to factor in. Unless Stokes proves otherwise, he's a mid first round guy. I don't think that's enough money to make him leave.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Because of their underperforming, jackwad of a coach. They won't have a better chance than the last few years.
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You're looking at it as a fan, not a recruit. Yes, Stallings can win come tourney time. We know that. But he has proven to put players in the NBA. He can win at a high percentage. He will take a team to the NCAA tourny most years. He keeps his program at the top of the league. And a 30K a year Vanderbilt education can not be beat in case you blow your knee out the first day of practice.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Uhm what's a lot of ifs? If stokes stays, nt really a big if, like I said its a better chane of him staying than leaving.

And no, it's not that unlikely. Final four level, meaning that type, so elite 8 would qualify, basically just meaning a very good season and high seed.

A team of golden, hubbs, McRae, Nichols and stokes is definitely talented enough for that type of run. Especially with the quality backups they'd have.
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If Stokes stays.... huge if. I've seen Stokes called the SEC PoY favorite here, and then someone says it's unlikely he leaves after this season. If he has the season you're expecting, he's gone to the NBA.

If Hubbs commits... big if at this point too. It may happen, but the odds of these two circumstances aligning like this, on top of Nichols commiting, are fairly slim.

Even with those 3, would the rest of the roster be strong enough to get a Final Four?
 
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Kusotate said:
If Stokes is considered a top 10 pick i doubt he stays another year just to play a season with Nichols.

I think Duke has the surrounding talent to make him a better player, if Coach K can get the Plumlee's drafted then i assume Nichols will be in good hands.
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Can you show me one legitimate site/scout projecting him top 10? Yea, I didn't think so.

Once again, factoring in the talent/depth at his position, it could be junior/senior year before he sees significant minutes, he may not want to wait that long.

Tobias went one and done, his buddy jarnell will be in the league at some point, so he sees immediate PT and a track record of forwards being put into the league recently.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Why do you fully expect that, what's been said? All I've heard is his family say the plan for him was 3 years?

Without stokes, no not a final 4 level team probably. And a lot of our chances will depend on the 2013 class, there's no doubting that.
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Nobody turns down the money. If he can get paid then he should and will go to the next level IMO. He's not here to get an education. He's not graduating as a business major. His future is in the NBA. If he get's the opportunity, then he will and should go. Hardly any first rounders sticks around for another year. Look what it did for Sullinger. He dropped considerable when he was expected top 3 after his Freshman year.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
If Stokes stays.... huge if. I've seen Stokes called the SEC PoY favorite here, and then someone says it's unlikely he leaves after this season. If he has the season you're expecting, he's gone to the NBA.

If Hubbs commits... big if at this point too. It may happen, but the odds of these two circumstances aligning like this, on top of Nichols commiting, are fairly slim.

Even with those 3, would the rest of the roster be strong enough to get a Final Four?
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No not a huge if. Like I said, percentages right now are higher in favor or him staying than leaving. The season I'm expecting? What am I expecting? I've said 14/8 I think, sullinger topped that and was mid-late 1st round. To go top 15 you're talking a monster year...somewhere around 20/10. And even then no guarantee he goes, his family has said 3 years.

Agree when you say all 3 happening are smaller than each individual one happening, however the percentage for each of those are in our favor right now, so it's possible.

And IMO, yes, that roster would be plenty talented. How takented was George masons roster?
 
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johnnybravo said:
Nobody turns down the money. If he can get paid then he should and will go to the next level IMO. He's not here to get an education. He's not graduating as a business major. His future is in the NBA. If he get's the opportunity, then he will and should go. Hardly any first rounders sticks around for another year. Look what it did for Sullinger. He dropped considerable when he was expected top 3 after his Freshman year.
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Really nobody turns down the money, yet then you name one. I can name multiple guys who were first round locks that chose to return for a chance at a big season....Terrence Jones ring a bell?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
No not a huge if. Like I said, percentages right now are higher in favor or him staying than leaving. The season I'm expecting? What am I expecting? I've said 14/8 I think, sullinger topped that and was mid-late 1st round. To go top 15 you're talking a monster year...somewhere around 20/10. And even then no guarantee he goes, his family has said 3 years.

Agree when you say all 3 happening are smaller than each individual one happening, however the percentage for each of those are in our favor right now, so it's possible.

And IMO, yes, that roster would be plenty talented. How takented was George masons roster?
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Well, George Mason, VCU, Butler, etc. are all exceptions to the rule, rather than the rule itself.
 
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CAVol said:
Him and Sullinger are similar players. Sullinger went mid-late first round. That has to factor in. Unless Stokes proves otherwise, he's a mid first round guy. I don't think that's enough money to make him leave.
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Exactly. And if you aren't lottery pick(top 14 iirc) then you may as well be a 2nd rounder, there's no guarantees.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Well, George Mason, VCU, Butler, etc. are all exceptions to the rule, rather than the rule itself.
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Ok.

So no we probably won't be as talented as UK however...

If this team finishes top 20 which is the expectation, and loses only maymon and mcbee....and adds hubbs and Nichols. Yes I think they have a legitimate top 10 team, which if your chips fall right is plenty good enough to make a final four/elite 8 run.
 
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Kusotate said:
Forgot to mention Sullinger had back problems and should bolted for the league earlier.
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No I didnt, its something that happens, look at Blair. Same could happen to stokes, you just don't know.

He's undersized for te NBA, the only way he is top 10 is a MONSTER year, like I said a 20/10....but

Wheres the people that you were saying said he's top 10 next year, I'm still waiting?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Can you show me one legitimate site/scout projecting him top 10? Yea, I didn't think so.

Once again, factoring in the talent/depth at his position, it could be junior/senior year before he sees significant minutes, he may not want to wait that long.

Tobias went one and done, his buddy jarnell will be in the league at some point, so he sees immediate PT and a track record of forwards being put into the league recently.
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Not a recruiting board, but Stokes will get a lot of attention if he has a big year. His stock will only go up depending on the year he has. His stock is only based of size and weight and what little raw tallent he showed for half a season. He is expected to blow up this year, with much of the SEC down.

Top 10 NBA Prospects Coming Back To School - SBNation.com
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Really nobody turns down the money, yet then you name one. I can name multiple guys who were first round locks that chose to return for a chance at a big season....Terrence Jones ring a bell?
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Did I say "nobody" or did I saw "hardly anyone"? There is always exceptions to every rule.
 
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johnnybravo said:
Not a recruiting board, but Stokes will get a lot of attention if he has a big year. His stock will only go up depending on the year he has. His stock is only based of size and weight and what little raw tallent he showed for half a season. He is expected to blow up this year, with much of the SEC down.

Top 10 NBA Prospects Coming Back To School - SBNation.com
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Exactly, that article says nothing other than a college scout on him. I want to see NBA people saying he's top 10, you won't find it.

Yes if he has a big year it'll go up, that's kind of common sense, and I've already said that. Hell forgot top 10, show me a board saying he's even a lottery pick?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Exactly. And if you aren't lottery pick(top 14 iirc) then you may as well be a 2nd rounder, there's no guarantees.
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That is not true....if you get picked in the first round, then you get a three year guaranteed contract.....The key is to make sure that you are a first round draft pick before coming out.
 
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volbeast33 said:
That is not true....if you get picked in the first round, then you get a three year guaranteed contract.....The key is to make sure that you are a first round draft pick before coming out.
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Is that new with the CBA, it wasn't that way before.

And if you're projected late 1st round, do you really take that risk(talkin stokes here).
 
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Hopefully Stokes is dominant enough to go in the top 10 but I don't believe he will. CCM already said if he thought Stokes was ready, he would encourage him to enter the draft. I'm sure he'll test the waters but the kid would obviously benefit going to school for 2 years (or 2 1/2). If he goes, I wouldn't be mad. If he stays, then I'd be shocked if we didn't push for a final four. I don't think we miss out on Hubbs and Nichols. If we do, I'll be glad to eat crow but I beleive we land both. Looking at the young talent we have coming in, upper leadership in the backcourt and quality depth, I dont' see why anyone would expect anything different.
 
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The only way i see it being likely stokes goes is if he's guaranteed lottery pick. In order for him to do that you're talking a huge year, and with maymon down there as well I don't see him having that kind of year.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Uhm your exact word were....NOBODY turns down the money.
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And then the rest of the post said "hardly any first rounders stick around for another year". It's easy to pick and choose what you want to a post just to be argumentative. Most everyone on this thread has agreed to what you have said, but has just thrown out different senerios. I just don't understand the constant argumentative attitude when some are just trying to have a conversation. It's almost like this in EVERY single thread.
 
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