2020 Presidential Race

[BowlBrother85]

... and you have the president trying to undermine democracy in the U.S. by saying that the system of elections is "rigged", and without providing any evidence in support of it at all, saying that if he loses the election it will be completely because of voter fraud. That is just as false, unprofessional, irresponsible and self-serving as anything that the mean, old media is doing. Is there any right-wing outrage over that? Nope. Just the same old annoying little nasal whine about bias in the media.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Looking forward to the Kristi Noem speech was impressed with her at the 4th of July event at Mount Rushmore. I think she is certainly becoming a 2024 Republican VP candidate if not a Presidential one.

I like her better than Nikki Haley.

You can not trust Haley.

 

[lukeneyland]

... and you have the president trying to undermine democracy in the U.S. by saying that the system of elections is "rigged", and without providing any evidence in support of it at all, saying that if he loses the election it will be completely because of voter fraud. That is just as false, unprofessional, irresponsible and self-serving as anything that the mean, old media is doing. Is there any right-wing outrage over that? Nope. Just the same old annoying little nasal whine about bias in the media.

I loathe most of our media. But I don't like the idea of a head of state presuming to undermine the integrity of our elections without hard evidence, I don't totally dismiss the possibility of voter fraud. But I do not like the idea of us delaying an election according to the will of one faction or the other

 

[BowlBrother85]

I loathe most of our media. But I don't like the idea of a head of state presuming to undermine the integrity of our elections without hard evidence, I don't totally dismiss the possibility of voter fraud. But I do not like the idea of us delaying an election according to the will of one faction or the other

Trump will obviously say that there wasn't any voter fraud if he wins. So, the only thing he has to gain from this, is an excuse just in case he loses. It's a completely selfish tactic by a very egocentric man.

 

[lukeneyland]

Trump will obviously say that there wasn't any voter fraud if he wins. So, the only thing he has to gain from this, is an excuse just in case he loses. It's a completely selfish tactic by a very egocentric man.

It is self serving and a little too Louis XIV ish for my liking. But I don't think it's contained to Trump either. I imagine the opposition will peddle a similar claim if they end up losing as well

 

[Electric Orange]

 

[LouderVol]

Trump will obviously say that there wasn't any voter fraud if he wins. So, the only thing he has to gain from this, is an excuse just in case he loses. It's a completely selfish tactic by a very egocentric man.

It's the exact same argument made in 2016. Dems said there wasnt any rigging, Trump said there was. Trump won and suddenly the Dems think it was rigged and Trump doesnt.

Exact. Same. Thing.

That being said I think you have to hold elections on the original date, unless Trump can say specifically why that one particular day is no good. I dont think he can in this situation.

But I think with the arguments that protest were good for societal health and thus arent covered by the Covid bans on gathering, the same thought process HAS to apply to voting. you cant treat one right differently than another. The argument by dems in this case is purely political switching sides. At least in this Trump has been consistent, by chance more than plan.

For those arguing that Trumps lack of extra support for the post office is weighing the scales back down his way, and he shouldnt be able to do that this close to the election the same logic applies to in person voting. If Trump cant enforce the usual voting practices, then the Dems cant enforce NEW voting practices due to the "immediacy" of the vote.

Either the timing matters, or it doesnt. Either Covid matters, or it doesnt. Either its rigged or it's not. Neither side has been consistent on any of that except for Trump and Covid NOT mattering.

 

[BowlBrother85]

It's the exact same argument made in 2016. Dems said there wasnt any rigging, Trump said there was. Trump won and suddenly the Dems think it was rigged and Trump doesnt.

Exact. Same. Thing.

That being said I think you have to hold elections on the original date, unless Trump can say specifically why that one particular day is no good. I dont think he can in this situation.

But I think with the arguments that protest were good for societal health and thus arent covered by the Covid bans on gathering, the same thought process HAS to apply to voting. you cant treat one right differently than another. The argument by dems in this case is purely political switching sides. At least in this Trump has been consistent, by chance more than plan.

For those arguing that Trumps lack of extra support for the post office is weighing the scales back down his way, and he shouldnt be able to do that this close to the election the same logic applies to in person voting. If Trump cant enforce the usual voting practices, then the Dems cant enforce NEW voting practices due to the "immediacy" of the vote.

Either the timing matters, or it doesnt. Either Covid matters, or it doesnt. Either its rigged or it's not. Neither side has been consistent on any of that except for Trump and Covid NOT mattering.

The Democrats never said anything about the 2016 election being "rigged". They didn't make claims of widespread voter fraud, as Trump is making. They did claim Russian interference by way of hacking the DNC and spreading "fake news" propaganda on social media. That is not the same thing as claiming widespread voter fraud, without providing any evidence at all in support of that.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

No, you can go vote in person.

I will.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Is the USPS a federal agency? Is Trump the Chief Executive over all federal agencies?

Yep.

LOL

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Evidently, Limbaugh is calling the Biden Harris ticket "Joe and the Ho."

Is he wrong?

 

[LouderVol]

The Democrats never said anything about the 2016 election being "rigged". They didn't make claims of widespread voter fraud, as Trump is making. They did claim Russian interference by way of hacking the DNC and spreading "fake news" propaganda on social media. That is not the same thing as claiming widespread voter fraud, without providing any evidence at all in support of that.

Rigged/tampered with. Same difference.

400k of Russian facebook memes is about as widespread as the documented cases of voter fraud.

I dont see how hacking a party interferes with the actual voting. The DNC may have a Russian issue, just like the RNC has a British/Russian issue. But the parties arent the people, the government, the voting process. No amount of bellyaching is going to going bump the party status that far.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Rigged/tampered with. Same difference.

400k of Russian facebook memes is about as widespread as the documented cases of voter fraud.

I dont see how hacking a party interferes with the actual voting. The DNC may have a Russian issue, just like the RNC has a British/Russian issue. But the parties arent the people, the government, the voting process. No amount of bellyaching is going to going bump the party status that far.

No, it is not the same thing at all. The Democrats did not make the claim that any of the tabulated votes were fraudulent. They did not make the claim that any of the tabulated votes were tampered with or altered. They did not challenge the integrity of the system of elections in the United States, as Trump has done. They made the claim (which was proven) that Russia meddled in the campaign portion of the election by way of social media propaganda and through the hacking of the DNC and the subsequent dissemination of weaponized e-mails. There is a big difference in what Trump is claiming, versus what the Democrats claimed in 2016.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Trump Says He'll Seek a Third Term Because 'They Spied On Me'

 

[Rifleman]

This election in a nutshell.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

This election in a nutshell.

Great movie!

 

[Franklin Pierce]

New York Times, Leftists Label Susan B. Anthony ‘Racist’ After She Gets A Trump Pardon

Leading suffragette Susan B. Anthony received a post-mortem pardon from President Donald Trump on Tuesday to mark the 100th anniversary of the passage of the 19th Amendment, giving women the vote — a cause Anthony, of course, devoted her life to.

But some leftists — and the New York Times — used the occasion of Trump’s pardon to “cancel” one of America’s most famous female activists to try to cancel Anthony for “racism” and for her opposition to abortion.

New York Times, Leftists Label Susan B. Anthony ‘Racist’ After She Gets A Trump Pardon

 

[Ten_Titans]

... and you have the president trying to undermine democracy in the U.S. by saying that the system of elections is "rigged", and without providing any evidence in support of it at all, saying that if he loses the election it will be completely because of voter fraud. That is just as false, unprofessional, irresponsible and self-serving as anything that the mean, old media is doing. Is there any right-wing outrage over that? Nope. Just the same old annoying little nasal whine about bias in the media.

He didn't say the system of elections is rigged, he said mail in voting could be rigged.

Instead of just playing the opposite game with whatever Trump wants, maybe you could provide reasons why we should do mail in voting. Keeping in mind Pope Fauci said it would be no problem.

 

[newarkvol]

"The America We Deserve"--d.j.t.

"It is an unacceptable but accurate fact that the number of uninsured Americans has risen to 42 million. Working out detailed plans will take time. But the goal should be clear: Our people are our greatest asset. We must take care of our own. We must have universal healthcare."

 

[BowlBrother85]

Evidently, Limbaugh is calling the Biden Harris ticket "Joe and the Ho."

You Republicans sure do know how to win that suburban female vote.

Wow. That is a new low for Limbaugh. It's strange. People faced with his impending fate usually mellow out a little bit and become more empathetic for those people they have had differences with in the past. "The Boogeyman" about George Bush 1988 campaign manager, Lee Atwater, is a good read. He was a conservative flame thrower who spread the false rumors about Michael Dukakis having undergone electroshock therapy as a youth. While he was dying from cancer in 1991, Atwater made a personal visit to Dukakis and apologized. They even went to church together. Limbaugh seems intent on going out with a bang... that's a shame.

 

[Y9 Vol]

Wow. That is a new low for Limbaugh. It's strange. People faced with his impending fate usually mellow out a little bit and become more empathetic for those people they have had differences with in the past. "The Boogeyman" about George Bush 1988 campaign manager, Lee Atwater, is a good read. He was a conservative flame thrower who spread the false rumors about Michael Dukakis having undergone electroshock therapy as a youth. While he was dying from cancer in 1991, Atwater made a personal visit to Dukakis and apologized. They even went to church together. Limbaugh seems intent on going out with a bang... that's a shame.

DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ ON VN.

 

[BowlBrother85]

He didn't say the system of elections is rigged, he said mail in voting could be rigged.

Instead of just playing the opposite game with whatever Trump wants, maybe you could provide reasons why we should do mail in voting. Keeping in mind Pope Fauci said it would be no problem.

"The only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged." - Donald Trump

That is self-serving and irresponsible coming from the president. He has provided no evidence of voter fraud. None.

 

[Ten_Titans]

"The only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged." - Donald Trump

That is self-serving and irresponsible coming from the president. He has provided no evidence of voter fraud. None.

How is he supposed to provide evidence of fraud in an election that hasn't happened yet?

There are numerous examples of voter fraud, election tampering, and gross incompetence from election officials. How that could be a large scale problem with en masse mail in voting is obvious.

As far as the quote, yeah that's Twitter Trump for ya. It's him playing to his base like all of his other tweets. It would be like Pruitt saying "Only way we lose to Florida this year is if they cheat!". It isn't really about the ethical behavior of Florida.

Is it a smart tweet? No. Just like everything he tweets. Do I think you are intentionally misinterpreting it to make it sound like he means something he doesn't? Yeah.

 

[LouderVol]

No, it is not the same thing at all. The Democrats did not make the claim that any of the tabulated votes were fraudulent. They did not make the claim that any of the tabulated votes were tampered with or altered. They did not challenge the integrity of the system of elections in the United States, as Trump has done. They made the claim (which was proven) that Russia meddled in the campaign portion of the election by way of social media propaganda and through the hacking of the DNC and the subsequent dissemination of weaponized e-mails. There is a big difference in what Trump is claiming, versus what the Democrats claimed in 2016.

Not imo. The ONLY ones who should be influencing the election are the candidates actual campaigns. Anyone, anything else is tampering/intereferring/influencing the election.

Just because the problem is an "inside" problem doesnt reduce its magnitude. Especially in this case the inside interference was much more closely tied to actual voting, while facebook memes are so nebulous to be ridiculous. The one I saw had jesus on there making some absurd quote in favor of Trump.

the "weaponized hacked emails" is not an excuse or diminishing factor. Those emails were real, period. Or at least I have seen zero arguments that they are fake. If they are real the public deserves to know it. It's a whistle blower situation, again inside/outside doesnt matter as long as its true/real. It's a sad state of affairs if we the American public have to learn the truth from outside parties rather than our elected officials. That makes me more angry at us than the Russians.

 

[Grudenator]